ahtlas7
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You’re just choosing bad screen grabs that use wide angle lenses on tight shots and poor lighting. Way to make those beautiful wamen ugly.
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Ex-Insomniac dev throws his bosses under the bus over Rivet's design being too feminine.
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zaanan
Banned
Interesting; understood. I must say, I take a slight exception to your characterization of the conservative mindset as being close-minded; it’s really more of a “prove it” attitude where facts are king. But I think I understand your point, thanks for clarifying.
Fake
Member
Why does a fox need to stand up? Why does a fox need to wear pants? Why does a fox need to speak english?
Universe questions. I find it more intriguing if anyone thinks about all of this instead of playing video games.
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Rentahamster
Rodent Whores
Looks like someone forgot the definition of "anthropomorphism" and how it relates to animals doing things in a humanoid world.
Anthropomorphism - Wikipedia
kiphalfton
Member
They were probably afraid he was going to try and smash them over the head with it, after losing his cool and losing the argument.
The world is a better place without him behind the seat at insomniac.
Also shoutout to homie for ruining potential career opportunities with this BS tirade. Nice going.
Katt”BuckNasty”Johnston
Member
If it’s just a alien space fox why does it matter if she DOES have feminine features?
What little girl (or boy for that matter) is looking at Rivet as anything more then just a dope ass female hero honestly?
What little girl (or boy for that matter) is looking at Rivet as anything more then just a dope ass female hero honestly?
This is true. At the end of the day it is about control no matter what direction it comes from.
You prob wont as seen by internal leaks from capcom etc saying they should change the way they representing woman etc in video games and take a lead out of last of us 2 etc going forward . Im starting to think every game should jist have a character creator screen at the start of the game and let people decide how they want there character to look and dress
James Sawyer Ford
Member
HOW DARE YOU!
James STEPHANIE Sterling is absolutely STUNNING! She looks like something out of a a Dr Seuss novel!
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Coolwhhip
Neophyte
Why would women argue with these super virgins?
Lionel Richie
Member
MY FELLOW MEN
HEED MY CALL
WE'RE NOT A CULT AT ALL!!!
HEED MY CALL
WE'RE NOT A CULT AT ALL!!!
Sinthor
Gold Member
Well, as we've seen in sports lately...there's nothing a biological male can't do better than a biological female
Myself, I think that life has become so comparatively easy that many are driven to find conflict or struggle SOMEWHERE. So we have a segment of society focusing on smaller and smaller things to make huge issues of, because we have no other real issues. The problem is that this kind of thing often leads to conditions of disaster, global war, etc. If that happens all these considerations will evaporate. I don't want that to happen, obviously. I just fear we are breaking down and thus will find hard time unavoidable.
godhandiscen
There are millions of whiny 5-year olds on Earth, and I AM THEIR KING.
Meh, I feel the designer is grandstanding. Nevertheless, I remember when having Lara Croft huge tits and all was considered progressive. Now not drawing breasts at all is progressive.
Growing old has really given me a better perspective on the past. I used to think old people were antiquated and mean, but turns out society changed and left their ideals and view points behind. I feel like the old people I used to mock. However, it is all good, I realize the future is for those that will live in it, not for me.
Growing old has really given me a better perspective on the past. I used to think old people were antiquated and mean, but turns out society changed and left their ideals and view points behind. I feel like the old people I used to mock. However, it is all good, I realize the future is for those that will live in it, not for me.
Kokoloko85
Member
What a turd.
News flash some females are feminine… its ok
He probably wanted a cis trans female Who was a pansexual converting into a male lombax and got her tits chopped off….
News flash some females are feminine… its ok
He probably wanted a cis trans female Who was a pansexual converting into a male lombax and got her tits chopped off….
SlimySnake
Flashless at the Golden Globes
lmao.
Sinthor
Gold Member
It's not to "appeal" to anyone. It's just a way to further anthropomorphize animal characters and make them more recognizably gendered in one way or another. That's it. No conspiracy, not rocket science. Just what's been done since the early Disney cartoons with Mickey and Minnie Mouse.I agree about the “it’s a fucking space Fox”! This is a similar “controversy” that people had about Lola bunny losing her boobs lmfao…think about it though, why are we putting boobs on animals, to appease the furries?
JimboJones
Member
She should have had a visible penis bulge in her pants to make her more feminine.
Interfectum
Member
Breasts and asses are bad. What a time to be alive.
The pendulum has to swing back at some point right?
The pendulum has to swing back at some point right?
Buggy Loop
Member
There’s also a group that likes flat chested girls, barely any hips, androgynous at that age..
DeaDPo0L84
Member
He has pronouns in his Twitter bio so he can be immediately ignored.
Jaguar Victory
Member
What is that guy on about? He's acting like Rivet was running around the game only dressed in a miniscule bikini with her huge breasts always on the cusp of falling out.
So was this what that guy wanted (meaning was it much worse before). Or is this the overly feminine version? I don't get it.
Might’ve been a bad example since Minnie Mouse has no boobs, please don’t put boobs on Minnie lol!
Just if you put them on animals, it’s kind of weird when you think about it actually…
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Pegasus Actual
Member
Why is Rivet even a fox or whatever? Why couldn't she have been a guy in a fursuit. Where the hell is my transfurry representation?
kiphalfton
Member
I think people like this try to use this whole LGBTQ thing as armor, thinking they can't get fired and if they do get fired to try and fight it and act as though its discrimination.
01011001
Banned
LordCBH
Member
Hey gurl lolIn one tab he went on his woke rant in his other 99 he had Rivet rule 34 art.
Why does ratchet stand on two legs? why does he have human musculature? Why does he have 4 fingers and a thumb per hand? Why does he have exposed white sclera around the eyes? why is his hip to shoulder ratio that of a human male? Why does he have a standard male voice? Maybe its because this isn't an animal or weird space alien, its a gendered, humanoid creature. Now ask why are feminine traits suddenly ridiculous and only for sexual deviants when they are completely consistent with the preestablished style?I agree about the “it’s a fucking space Fox”! This is a similar “controversy” that people had about Lola bunny losing her boobs lmfao…think about it though, why are we putting boobs on animals, to appease the furries?
kiphalfton
Member
Let's be real, this guy is lashing out because he's never seen titties or ass, and wants every other guy to share his pain. If they don't exist in his reality, it shouldn't exist in anybody elses.
Interfectum
Member
What a baby.
I’m sure his buddies on the other forum will get him a job.
Don’t know why we are discussing this since it looks like the design was toned down (?) and looks perfectly fine but, can you tell me if you see a bulge in Ratchets crotch?
Tschumi
Member
Hmm..
*Studies his data feeds*
Can confirm that this is a case of a nobody saying a nothing and it being a thing because politics.
I mean, Rivet looks fine. So Mr Pink glasses (with all due respect, people who try to communicate their personality with flair like wearing a fedora at all hours or having zaney eyeware invariably give me the willies) has a slightly nuanced opinion on how female she looks.. it's really no more relevant than my own.
*Studies his data feeds*
Can confirm that this is a case of a nobody saying a nothing and it being a thing because politics.
I mean, Rivet looks fine. So Mr Pink glasses (with all due respect, people who try to communicate their personality with flair like wearing a fedora at all hours or having zaney eyeware invariably give me the willies) has a slightly nuanced opinion on how female she looks.. it's really no more relevant than my own.
thicc_girls_are_teh_best
Member
EDIT: Mods please don't edit or remove this post; there are no personal attacks on anyone's appearance/gender/sexuality, no rallying to harass, etc. going on here. However I think things like poking fun at avatars that are clearly not them, or especially viewpoints they express which are just outright dumb, should be fair game.
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Gonna highlight some of the most tardcum posts from Reeeeeeeeeee (1st page only; can't damage my head completely reading five pages worth of that trash)
Tool: NinjaScooter
An obsession over something literally 99% of women in the world have, these biological things called breasts? Has NinjaScooter even seen a woman IRL? Guess biology is this a theoretical construct to this 'tard.
Tool: Hey Please (wonder how that avatar would be received there if they were a user on any other website ?)
We make design "relatable" because as human beings, we have a natural tendency to want things to reflect us in some way if they are in fact not human. It's literally Character Design 101 and has been this way for thousands of years, dating back to the first oral myths and legends. The erroneously misguided modern-day far-leftist push for "representation" falls into the same idea, generally speaking.
Hell, just look at all the popular dog and cat videos; the most popular ones involve them doing actions generally human-like in emotive expression, it's a subconscious response and allows us to more readily identify with them, although given most dogs and cats are adorable anyway just from merely existing, that isn't a hard thing to do.
In fiction, making non-human alien-esque designs "relatable" through human aesthetics, mannerisms, etc. is a natural instinct for creators to do since doing so serves as a great foundation for layering on more non-human aspects to. It's also something the vast majority of people in the history of forever subconsciously desire to do either when creating works of fiction or engaging with works of fiction.
If your head wasn't screwed up by idiotic postmodernist far-left ideological progressive-imitating concepts you could understand this.
Tool: Bane (what an undeserved username btw; the real Bane would break a spine or two over this kind of drivel)
I agree; Xavier was plenty dumb for getting worked up over a Rivet having even a modicum of hips or breasts in the way over 90% of the world's female population does in one way or another. Whoops!
Tool: Instant Vintage (some bootleg MUGEN-looking avatar from 2003 or some shit)
Ah yes, because lesbians simply don't exist, and there aren't lesbians who'd prefer more shapely female characters? Guess we have to annex them out of existence to go after the "cis straight male gaze"...also why do these idiots sexualize everything that involves women, breasts, and hips?
Reminds me of how some people always sexualize close friendships between two men or two women as being gay coded or whatever; concepts of mutual respect, camaraderie, hierarchy or kinship outside of sex just DOES NOT EXIST to these people with infinitely limited perspectives on the world, reality, or history, huh?
Tool: Hey Please....AGAIN (might just be the biggest tool in the whole thread. Have fun reading this teardown of your stupidity btw)
1: Too pussyfoot to even name a website/forum...crazy how much GAF has these people shook all these years later.
2: Funny, assuming biases and stereotyping a group of people as per usual. A certain man with a funny mustache would be proud of you.
3: Good luck getting rid of EVERY "problematic" person you think exists in the industry or hobby; as has been clearly evident multiple times, the Overton Window on this stuff is constantly shifting an constantly expanding from smaller extremes into ever-widening definitions as the goalposts for what's "problematic" are frequently shifted.
As some point, someone like yourself will be deemed "problematic", do you remove yourself from the hobby or industry? Strongly doubt that, i.e "rules for thee but not for me.". The way this poster projects and harps on this stuff so strongly, there's a decent chance they have some of their own "problematic" ideas floating in that head of theirs.
Tool: Nediar PT88
Boobs, the things that provide nurturing nutrition for newborns and infants, that are naturally a part of every female's biological blueprint, are scary and need to be yeeted...apparently.
Also this actually highlights a problem with Rivet's design; she fails the Silhouette Test moreso than the female characters shown above (they prob don't actually show up here because of some embedding nonsense). A BIG part of good character design (btw I think Rivet's design in itself is good, but not because it aces the Silhouette Test) is being able to distinguish characters in a silhouette; this extends not only to certain accessories to their design but even being able to make out their possible gender as well, particularly for designs that are most channeling human-esque physiological elements in roots of their design, or other areas like personality, mannerisms, certain cultural values and traditions with parallels to those of human populations IRL etc (lead non-human characters in most fictional works, especially protagonists, tend to fall into these terms).
Accentuating a bit on the breasts and hips of females (and conversely, the chest and arms of males) is a part of classical character design in virtually EVERY culture on Earth, and is NOT inherently sexual or sexualizing unlike how these idiots want to keep perpetuating. There's a reason this element of character design has persisted for thousands of years and will continue to do so for many more in the future, to the chagrin of the sorts who balk against it.
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Gonna highlight some of the most tardcum posts from Reeeeeeeeeee (1st page only; can't damage my head completely reading five pages worth of that trash)
Tool: NinjaScooter
An obsession over something literally 99% of women in the world have, these biological things called breasts? Has NinjaScooter even seen a woman IRL? Guess biology is this a theoretical construct to this 'tard.
Tool: Hey Please (wonder how that avatar would be received there if they were a user on any other website
?)We make design "relatable" because as human beings, we have a natural tendency to want things to reflect us in some way if they are in fact not human. It's literally Character Design 101 and has been this way for thousands of years, dating back to the first oral myths and legends. The erroneously misguided modern-day far-leftist push for "representation" falls into the same idea, generally speaking.
Hell, just look at all the popular dog and cat videos; the most popular ones involve them doing actions generally human-like in emotive expression, it's a subconscious response and allows us to more readily identify with them, although given most dogs and cats are adorable anyway just from merely existing, that isn't a hard thing to do.
In fiction, making non-human alien-esque designs "relatable" through human aesthetics, mannerisms, etc. is a natural instinct for creators to do since doing so serves as a great foundation for layering on more non-human aspects to. It's also something the vast majority of people in the history of forever subconsciously desire to do either when creating works of fiction or engaging with works of fiction.
If your head wasn't screwed up by idiotic postmodernist far-left ideological progressive-imitating concepts you could understand this.
Tool: Bane (what an undeserved username btw; the real Bane would break a spine or two over this kind of drivel)
I agree; Xavier was plenty dumb for getting worked up over a Rivet having even a modicum of hips or breasts in the way over 90% of the world's female population does in one way or another. Whoops!
Tool: Instant Vintage (some bootleg MUGEN-looking avatar from 2003 or some shit)
Ah yes, because lesbians simply don't exist, and there aren't lesbians who'd prefer more shapely female characters? Guess we have to annex them out of existence to go after the "cis straight male gaze"...also why do these idiots sexualize everything that involves women, breasts, and hips?
Reminds me of how some people always sexualize close friendships between two men or two women as being gay coded or whatever; concepts of mutual respect, camaraderie, hierarchy or kinship outside of sex just DOES NOT EXIST to these people with infinitely limited perspectives on the world, reality, or history, huh?
Tool: Hey Please....AGAIN (might just be the biggest tool in the whole thread. Have fun reading this teardown of your stupidity btw)
1: Too pussyfoot to even name a website/forum...crazy how much GAF has these people shook all these years later.
2: Funny, assuming biases and stereotyping a group of people as per usual. A certain man with a funny mustache would be proud of you.
3: Good luck getting rid of EVERY "problematic" person you think exists in the industry or hobby; as has been clearly evident multiple times, the Overton Window on this stuff is constantly shifting an constantly expanding from smaller extremes into ever-widening definitions as the goalposts for what's "problematic" are frequently shifted.
As some point, someone like yourself will be deemed "problematic", do you remove yourself from the hobby or industry? Strongly doubt that, i.e "rules for thee but not for me.". The way this poster projects and harps on this stuff so strongly, there's a decent chance they have some of their own "problematic" ideas floating in that head of theirs.
Tool: Nediar PT88
Guess the director/lead wanted to go with something like this:
Glad Xavier and the other two people involved opinion prevailed in the end:
Rivet looks amazing.
Boobs, the things that provide nurturing nutrition for newborns and infants, that are naturally a part of every female's biological blueprint, are scary and need to be yeeted...apparently.
Also this actually highlights a problem with Rivet's design; she fails the Silhouette Test moreso than the female characters shown above (they prob don't actually show up here because of some embedding nonsense). A BIG part of good character design (btw I think Rivet's design in itself is good, but not because it aces the Silhouette Test) is being able to distinguish characters in a silhouette; this extends not only to certain accessories to their design but even being able to make out their possible gender as well, particularly for designs that are most channeling human-esque physiological elements in roots of their design, or other areas like personality, mannerisms, certain cultural values and traditions with parallels to those of human populations IRL etc (lead non-human characters in most fictional works, especially protagonists, tend to fall into these terms).
Accentuating a bit on the breasts and hips of females (and conversely, the chest and arms of males) is a part of classical character design in virtually EVERY culture on Earth, and is NOT inherently sexual or sexualizing unlike how these idiots want to keep perpetuating. There's a reason this element of character design has persisted for thousands of years and will continue to do so for many more in the future, to the chagrin of the sorts who balk against it.
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Tschumi
Member
Did you copy paste comments across from resetera to rant about them remotely?EDIT: Mods please don't edit or remove this post; there are no personal attacks on anyone's appearance/gender/sexuality, no rallying to harass, etc. going on here. However I think things like poking fun at avatars that are clearly not them, or especially viewpoints they express which are just outright dumb, should be fair game.
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Gonna highlight some of the most tardcum posts from Reeeeeeeeeee (1st page only; can't damage my head completely reading five pages worth of that trash)
Tool: NinjaScooter
An obsession over something literally 99% of women in the world have, these biological things called breasts? Has NinjaScooter even seen a woman IRL? Guess biology is this a theoretical construct to this 'tard.
Tool: Hey Please (wonder how that avatar would be received there if they were a user on any other website
We make design "relatable" because as human beings, we have a natural tendency to want things to reflect us in some way if they are in fact not human. It's literally Character Design 101 and has been this way for thousands of years, dating back to the first oral myths and legends. The erroneously misguided modern-day far-leftist push for "representation" falls into the same idea, generally speaking.
Hell, just look at all the popular dog and cat videos; the most popular ones involve them doing actions generally human-like in emotive expression, it's a subconscious response and allows us to more readily identify with them, although given most dogs and cats are adorable anyway just from merely existing, that isn't a hard thing to do.
In fiction, making non-human alien-esque designs "relatable" through human aesthetics, mannerisms, etc. is a natural instinct for creators to do since doing so serves as a great foundation for layering on more non-human aspects to. It's also something the vast majority of people in the history of forever subconsciously desire to do either when creating works of fiction or engaging with works of fiction.
If your head wasn't screwed up by idiotic postmodernist far-left ideological progressive-imitating concepts you could understand this.
Tool: Bane (what an undeserved username btw; the real Bane would break a spine or two over this kind of drivel)
I agree; Xavier was plenty dumb for getting worked up over a Rivet having even a modicum of hips or breasts in the way over 90% of the world's female population does in one way or another. Whoops!
Tool: Instant Vintage (some bootleg MUGEN-looking avatar from 2003 or some shit)
Ah yes, because lesbians simply don't exist, and there aren't lesbians who'd prefer more shapely female characters? Guess we have to annex them out of existence to go after the "cis straight male gaze"...also why do these idiots sexualize everything that involves women, breasts, and hips?
Reminds me of how some people always sexualize close friendships between two men or two women as being gay coded or whatever; concepts of mutual respect, camaraderie, hierarchy or kinship outside of sex just DOES NOT EXIST to these people with infinitely limited perspectives on the world, reality, or history, huh?
Tool: Hey Please....AGAIN (might just be the biggest tool in the whole thread. Have fun reading this teardown of your stupidity btw)
1: Too pussyfoot to even name a website/forum...crazy how much GAF has these people shook all these years later.
2: Funny, assuming biases and stereotyping a group of people as per usual. A certain man with a funny mustache would be proud of you.
3: Good luck getting rid of EVERY "problematic" person you think exists in the industry or hobby; as has been clearly evident multiple times, the Overton Window on this stuff is constantly shifting an constantly expanding from smaller extremes into ever-widening definitions as the goalposts for what's "problematic" are frequently shifted.
As some point, someone like yourself will be deemed "problematic", do you remove yourself from the hobby or industry? Strongly doubt that, i.e "rules for thee but not for me.". The way this poster projects and harps on this stuff so strongly, there's a decent chance they have some of their own "problematic" ideas floating in that head of theirs.
Tool: Nediar PT88
Boobs, the things that provide nurturing nutrition for newborns and infants, that are naturally a part of every female's biological blueprint, are scary and need to be yeeted...apparently.
Also this actually highlights a problem with Rivet's design; she fails the Silhouette Test moreso than the female characters shown above (they prob don't actually show up here because of some embedding nonsense). A BIG part of good character design (btw I think Rivet's design in itself is good, but not because it aces the Silhouette Test) is being able to distinguish characters in a silhouette; this extends not only to certain accessories to their design but even being able to make out their possible gender as well, particularly for designs that are most channeling human-esque physiological elements in roots of their design, or other areas like personality, mannerisms, certain cultural values and traditions with parallels to those of human populations IRL etc (lead non-human characters in most fictional works, especially protagonists, tend to fall into these terms).
Accentuating a bit on the breasts and hips of females (and conversely, the chest and arms of males) is a part of classical character design in virtually EVERY culture on Earth, and is NOT inherently sexual or sexualizing unlike how these idiots want to keep perpetuating. There's a reason this element of character design has persisted for thousands of years and will continue to do so for many more in the future, to the chagrin of the sorts who balk against it.
I think there's a dedicated thread for this..
"Keep it in your pants" comes to mind
Jah bless
Edit: anyway, any positions implying that there's a political difference between resetera and here feel a bit dated, since gaf spent the last 6 months of so trying to scour itself of the kind of people who have militant opinions about this pointless crap.. gaf is neutral ground compared to this time last year
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El Pistolero
Banned
This shit is just poison. Not even first world problems, no! "I am a sensitive bitch at the center of the universe" kind of issues...
what does that have to do with anything? Does rivet have a vagina? Who gives a shit. The point is that these lines that are drawn are always completely arbitrary and one sided. Male body proportions and bone structure are totally acceptable and invisible yet female fat distribution and bone structure is for furries and requires constant scrutiny? It's a politically driven argument, It's also a pointless argument that I ultimately don't give a shit about but i wish people would recognise the double standard.
SlimySnake
Flashless at the Golden Globes
The funny thing is that there are literally more tits on this planet than people.
3.3 billion women.
6.6 billion tits.
We are surrounded by tits but thou shalt not put thy mother's tits on a lombax.
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