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Extremist Militia Occupies Federal Building In Oregon
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TheLostBigBoss
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Just think about it
A decade ago the world wouldn't have their eyes on these freedom fighters
The world wouldn't have been able to respond by sending them a 50 gallon drum of lube
What a time to be alive
EdibleKnife
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This. The authorities haven't shown me why this situation might be different beyond the common sense fact that it should be. I'll be more surprised if the Bundy clan is held accountable after this ends than otherwise.
kame-sennin
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LiquidSword
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Well you shouldn't forget that they are not just staying in the building. They are going back and fourth in to town and there are many reports of them harassing people. Also Ammon Bundy decided to go to a town hall meeting just a couple days ago and instead of arresting them, they just got yelled at. Nothing is being done about this and it's affecting this whole area.
Gordon Shumway
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DrForester
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Exactly. No one here (I don't think) is seriously saying that law enforcement should storm the place, but allowing them to have total free reign of the facility and town with no consequences is just outright irresponsible.
RPGCrazied
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There shouldn't be any negotiating with these people. Its either go home or be arrested. Hell, for what they have already done, I'd arrest them anyway and fine them.
ElectricThunder
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As pathetic as this is becoming, about the only ironic positive resolution would be...what....them getting rounded up and handed off to the feds by some sort of Native American militia for whom the artifact mess was the last straw? Wildlife conservationists electing this a bridge too far would also suffice.
Whatever "clever" plan the authorities are presumably working with on this is really, really not going to be something that'll stand for posterity at this rate---every defiant week just adds to it and erodes further and deeper.
Whatever "clever" plan the authorities are presumably working with on this is really, really not going to be something that'll stand for posterity at this rate---every defiant week just adds to it and erodes further and deeper.
HP_Wuvcraft
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What exactly is there to fucking negotiate.
Ogrekiller
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That if you don't consider the federal government of the United States as authority, then you are not permitted the rights that the federal government offers?
You can still have simple rights afforded to all people, just not specific ones like Medicaid. Or federal voting rights.
Certainly better than filling them up with lead.
Because whether you recognize the federal government or not doesn't affect it's authority over you.
Putting aside that Medicaid is not run by the federal government and there's no such thing as federal voting rights, stripping someone of citizenship and rendering them stateless--especially without due process--is not only flagrantly unconstitutional on multiple levels, but a human rights violation to boot.
http://www.oregonlive.com/oregon-standoff/2016/01/post_2.html
This is beyond a joke now.
This sheriff should be fired. Fucking embarrassing for my state of Oregon.
This is beyond a joke now.
This sheriff should be fired. Fucking embarrassing for my state of Oregon.
FelixOrion
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I can't.
This is maddening.
I can't.
This is maddening.
Gordon Shumway
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This shit is still going..amazing.
hahahaha.. Oh wait, you are serious? Let me laugh harder HAHAHAHAHA
The longer this goes on I am slowly coming to not have a problem with how the Feds are handling this. I still think there are troubling racial implications exposed, but its less "we should treat them just as badly as minorities" and more about how we should treat minorities a million times better.
They may have "demands", but what they want more than anything is to be martyrs, and I am glad we aren't giving it to them.
And let the terrorist win?
I certainly don't want anyone dead but they have had more than enough chances to arrest various members but refuse to do so. Well they even attested one but let him go.
And yes I would hope minorities would be treated better. Having grown up in eastern Oregon I would say that this sheriff would not be so buddy buddy with these guys if they were a different color. Just my opinion.
Either way this sheriff is actually telling the FBI to leave town and the feds to release prisoners. I mean wtf.
ahem, "patriots." The terrorists are the BLM/federal government who want to charge(!) to graze cattle(!), and don't want
/s (just in case it's not clear :X)
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To be clear, I am talking about the Feds icing them out and slow playing it. The sherif is an idiot and no demands should be met.
I don't doubt for a second this would be different if they were black / brown people. I remember driving through rural Oregon and seeing swastika tats on people with alarming frequency. but the point remains I am happy to not give the extremists exactly what they want (a bloody raid)
Slayven they are called ranchers around these parts.
Oh you hate ranchers now?
And yes these fuckwad terrorists have the sheriff on their side.
PeteZaTheHutt
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How does ANY law enforcement officer say something like this, let alone a Sheriff??? This is simply BAFFLING. And then he goes on to insinuate that releasing the two ranchers AND sending the FBI home (yes, the FBI, NOT the ILLEGAL OCCUPIERS) would be a START, as though these whiny law-breaking attention-whore man-children deserve even MORE than what their insane demands already are. "Beyond a joke" doesn't even BEGIN to describe how far beyond a joke this has gotten.
The hell.
Dude is out of his league from jump, the FBI should have handled every thing from the beginning.
I don't see the swastika tats but I see the southern flag lol.
And yes the best result would be to ice these guys out but at this point the FBI are sitting in a hotel in Burns. They aren't really doing anything. At some point they should have isolated these idiots but they are free to roam and to receive supplies. Just stupid.
Crimson_Gold
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This is amazing. So you're telling me that they're gonna let them win? I want to be surprised. I truly do. This must be the sheriff of Nottingham
That's some bull shit. FED doesn't have to concede anything.
DontBeThatGuy
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Anyone still not calling them terrorist?
Well, the US doesn't negotiate with terrorists (lol) but apparently that's the next step here, so ...
At this point, honestly yes. We had people aiming rifles at feds at the Bundy Ranch and nothing happened. And guess what? Bundy hasn't paid shit. Imagine owing the government over a million dollars (not sure on total amount) and pointing a gun at them and saying no. That's what they did and nothing happened.
Obviously the sheriff is a fucking joke and won't do shit. And the feds don't seem to show much interest either. So whatever I guess.
soundahfekz
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dont be silly now they aren't muslim
Agent Gibbs
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? seriously? thats the solution?
Let me be lead on this
Cut power supplies
cut gas supplies
cut water supplies
cut telephone lines
install cellar signal jammer
install cordon at 200m radius with check points on the road - let nobody in
wait
arrest them as they leave on domestic terrorism charges - compromises should be pleading down to lesser trespass charges.
All sentences should include the banning of owning firearms for a 10 year period (or life)
Let me be lead on this
Cut power supplies
cut gas supplies
cut water supplies
cut telephone lines
install cellar signal jammer
install cordon at 200m radius with check points on the road - let nobody in
wait
arrest them as they leave on domestic terrorism charges - compromises should be pleading down to lesser trespass charges.
All sentences should include the banning of owning firearms for a 10 year period (or life)
The Hammonds set fire to public land. Because reasons. Either way they purposely destroyed shit. They initially received light sentences but a federal judge said they should serve the minimum 5 years and sent them back to prison.
The Hammonds lawyer has stated they have nothing to do with Ammon Bundy and his terrorist buddies.
Mohonky
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Hmmm....that makes things pretty grey for me. Not the whole locking down a federal building part, but the guys being sentenced initially and then serving their time only to be told to go back for longer. Seems a bit excessive.
Though how this current stand off has gone so long is beyond me.
DrForester
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Lets not pretend for a second that these guys care at all about those two ranchers. If their issue was Minimum Sentencing, they'd have taken over a judicial facility.
adamsappel
Member
They were sentenced incorrectly. Do you also believe when someone is mistakenly let out of prison early, they shouldn't have to be taken back to serve their sentence? "Oopsies!"
Simply baffling.
Has law enforcement commented on shutting off utilities? It seems so obvious I was wondering if they had some reason not to.
Has law enforcement commented on shutting off utilities? It seems so obvious I was wondering if they had some reason not to.
They don't. And at least publicly the Hammonds through their lawyer have stated they just want to do their time and move on. They don't seem willing to put up any kind of fight after their time is done. They know they fucked up. What they did was fucking stupid and very dangerous.
As for Bundy and his terrorist crew they just saw an opportunity and went for it. They don't give a fuck about anybody.
Corronchilejano
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There are kids inside, aren't there?
Oh, I'm not sure. Well, it's not like they are being forced to stay there lol.
It shouldn't. We can have a legitimate conversation about the legality of minimum sentencing laws, but the two guys being sentenced have agreed to serve their terms without protest and did not ask this militia gang to come and hold their town hostage over it. Even the townspeople who were originally protesting the resentencing of the two ranchers don't want the militia there. There's nothing grey about the laughable mess the militia has created for themselves.
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