chromatic9
Member
Is the TOD running in the cutscene? (not sure if it's a cutscene either) Seems to be many instances where shadows are missing. Could just be different time on PS4 of course.
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Face-Off: Evolve - PC/PS4/X1
- Thread starter CozMick
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Is the TOD running in the cutscene? (not sure if it's a cutscene either) Seems to be many instances where shadows are missing. Could just be different time on PS4 of course.
Is the TOD running in the cutscene? Seems to be many instances where shadows are missing.
Yes shadows are definitely missing I guess. The light source is in the same position on each platform as seen by the specular highlights winch are the same.
I feel similarly. I haven't found evidence to suggest they are biased in any of their articles. There are a fee occasions where they may slant slightly into review territory as opposed to pure technical analysis, but their conclusion is supported by the evidence they present.
Now, this doesn't mean they do a great job understanding the tech they're talking about or that their methods are air tight.
Neuromancer
Member
I think you're right, like how news shows make elections seem closer than they really are, or present both sides of an issue as equal when there's actually a consensus favoring one side. I guess I can't really blame them, they have to entertain more than inform if they want to get attention.
chromatic9
Member
Some fog is missing as well.
Just a streaming issue?
I guess much of this AF and shadows is to maintain 1080p?
GribbleGrunger
Dreams in Digital
Ok, my mistake. It's just because of the time of day though.
gioGAF
Member
Lol, DF is so bad it isn't even funny. They don't even try to be impartial. These Face-Offs all regurgitate the same tired MS-biased bullshit.
If PS4 has better resolution, then they feel that Xb1 had a marginally better frame-rate, even though they post videos of both versions having mostly the same frame-rate.
If PS4 and Xb1 have same resolution and frame-rate, but the PS4 has better effects, then they say that the effects are negligible. Funnily enough, we got giant articles about foliage when it was PS360.
If the PS4 is better all round, then the online infrastructure is not as good (maybe they should check online number of players, that may have something to do with performance). If the game doesn't have an online mode, then they focus on saying how much better the PC version is, they totally downplay the fact the PS4 version is the console version to get.
As an aside, WHY do they include the PC version in these Face-Offs? When is the PC version NOT the best version? It is a known FACT that consoles are underpowered in comparison to PCs. It would be like including a Ferrari in the comparison of 2 go-carts, simply idiotic and obvious.
If PS4 has better resolution, then they feel that Xb1 had a marginally better frame-rate, even though they post videos of both versions having mostly the same frame-rate.
If PS4 and Xb1 have same resolution and frame-rate, but the PS4 has better effects, then they say that the effects are negligible. Funnily enough, we got giant articles about foliage when it was PS360.
If the PS4 is better all round, then the online infrastructure is not as good (maybe they should check online number of players, that may have something to do with performance). If the game doesn't have an online mode, then they focus on saying how much better the PC version is, they totally downplay the fact the PS4 version is the console version to get.
As an aside, WHY do they include the PC version in these Face-Offs? When is the PC version NOT the best version? It is a known FACT that consoles are underpowered in comparison to PCs. It would be like including a Ferrari in the comparison of 2 go-carts, simply idiotic and obvious.
No worries..
Unfortunately the TOD seems to be exactly the same on all platforms. Can somebody with the PS4 version post a screenshot showing shadows being casted by the environment please? This would help figure out what is going on.Since we're seeing it in a number of screens, including cutscenes, it's worth noting. If you could toss up screencaps or footage of the PS4 version that gives a better look at it, it would be helpful. I only ask because it seems like you're responding based on some experience with the final release.
Yeah this looks like this was a trade-of made by Turtle Head (could be a bug in the case of the missing shadows though)
Dictator93
Member
Because they put it in to hurt people's feelings and ramp up the insecurity for their platform choice. (sarcasm)
PC is included to inform PC users (or anyone in general) about versions they should buy, what performance and cvar settings they should expect. Also, it is interesting.
Just going off the video in the article there are some areas that appear to be identical, but there are other areas that don't appear to be. This scene from the video (ignore the compression, it's a streamed video lol) does have shadows missing on the PS4 version.No worries..
gioGAF
Member
Shouldn't they just have a PC-only article? They could then discuss the game more in depth when relating to PC metrics. So many of the PC considerations don't even exist on console.
GeordieMark
Member
Exactly. Some people just want to read that PS4 wipes the floor with the Xbone is every possible way, and anything less and they cry bias. This thread is full of crying fanboys.
Lion Heart
Banned
Digital floundering.
There can be a massive range in quality for game releases on PC, whether they're released on the same date or as a later edition. Having all editions of a new game compared in one place makes perfect sense, and they note the sort of optimization/performance issues that can crop up in PC releases just fine in most write-ups.
Batman Arkham Asylum had no AO (and no AA) on PS3 either. Definitely the worse looking version by far.
Its also a known fact the PS4 is more powerful than the XB1.
It's extremely interesting to see the actual difference between PC and consoles especially now with the x86 consoles.
It's a performance comparison, why not include PC? People like to see, well tech heads anyway, how a game looks across different hardware. It's fun.
The comparison should be to see how they all look against each other. PC owners with a powerful GPU shouldn't need to read these articles to choose which platform to buy a game on.
Aceshighhhh
Member
So they're just pulling out random words from a thesaurus?
gioGAF
Member
Bu-bu-but online infrastructure. Bu-bu-but what about your friends, where do they play?[sarcasm/]
I thought these articles were geared to multi-console owners. That is why the "consoles" are compared. If you are a PS4-only or Xb1-only owner, then you shouldn't care about these articles. PC-only players don't really care how the game runs on consoles either.
These are simply comparison articles. They're not geared toward any one type of person.
Nope, they are geared towards everyone and tech enthusiasts. I'm sure PC owners would be very interested in knowing where do consoles stack up against various PC settings.
I certainly am.
By the way, here are some benchmarks by Techspot, stock 5960x (3.0 ghz)
http://www.techspot.com/articles-info/962/bench/1920.png
No doubt. They're just finding a way to downplay the PS4 version.
Mm-hmm.
alexandros
Banned
I would guess that in a series of articles where the different versions of the same game are compared in order to determine which one is the best to buy, not including one of the versions would defeat the purpose of the whole article. Why would anyone want the PC version excluded? People who only care about console comparisons get the relevant information anyway and people who want all versions compared get more useful information out of each article. I see no reason to exclude PC, unless... Just throwing it out there but... is it possible that some people don't want to get useful buying advice out of these articles and only want to see their platform win but the existence of the PC version makes that impossible? That can't be it, can it?
Why? What gave you that idea?
I'm not talking about Shadows or AF. I was referring to what they said about the online infrastructure.
He said shadows not AF.
Objectively Bad Opinion
Member
Another DF thread devolves into infighting over a seemingly innocuous statement... keep it up guys.
Nvidia GPUs doing really well there compared to other sites.
Nvidia GPUs doing really well there compared to other sites.
Journey
Banned
I guess there are situations where Nvidia can outdo AMD's best cards but overall this is a rather clear victory for the GCN.
I'm not complaining about my performance at 1080p, my 970 does a superb job.
No worries..
I would post more but its a tedious job from a phone.
Oh, wow, the compression is horrendous, but you get the picture.......barely.
Arrogant Bastard
Banned
Cause clearly M$ tossed them a whole bag of $$$ to get them to give the X1 a nod. Is that really what you want to hear or what you think. The sheer amount of conspiracy in some of these posts is silly.
It is an article on an online game, the noticed a slight issue that I'm sure will be fixed and commented on it. Why people are getting so hung up on this idea that they were attempting to slight the PS4 or toss the X1 a bone is really odd.
Objectively Bad Opinion
Member
I was talking about Kepler, Maxwell doesn't seem to have problems with this game (or any game, really).
The 770 is almost as fast as a 780 in that graph for example, which is just really weird to me, usually the 780 would have at least a 20% lead on it.
Then the 2560x1600 graph from the same review, some Kepler GPUs take a massive performance hit, the 770 is like 50% slower. Extremely erratic performance out of them lately.
No kidding. I don't even get why they included the infrastructure point. Subtle advertising?
DF is quickly becoming a satire gaming site.
staticneuron
Member
The PC version represents the best, so many people are curious as how the current hardware stacks up against the best. So why not compare them all?
chromatic9
Member
There's plenty of shots on DF where PS4/XBO/Shadows all appear. PS4 is not without throughout. Perhaps CozMick can post that area in question, not the jungle.
Anyway, getting away from that slightly. These two are from the same shot comparison.
You'd think PC/XBO are running same tod
Same shot sees PC miss some shadows
Not sure if there's some shadow bug on PC/PS4 or weird TOD.
Anyway, getting away from that slightly. These two are from the same shot comparison.
You'd think PC/XBO are running same tod
Same shot sees PC miss some shadows
Not sure if there's some shadow bug on PC/PS4 or weird TOD.
GeordieMark
Member
There's plenty of shots on DF where PS4/XBO/Shadows all appear. PS4 is not without throughout. Perhaps CozMick can post that area in question, not the jungle.
Anyway, getting away from that slightly. These two are from the same shot comparison.
You'd think PC/XBO are running same tod
Same shot sees PC miss some shadows
Not sure if there's some shadow bug on PC/PS4 or weird TOD.
I think these are from the tutorial area which has a set time of day.
This is a PERFECT writeup.
Also - online infrastructure claims are BS unless DF gives us some hard data on those claims. "It feels like the online infrastructure is not there"
Definitely a bug if PC also has the problem, hopefully it can be fixed.
CouchMaster
Member
Doesn't matter, the difference between 900p and 1080p is negligible especially if you consider online infrastructure and if all your friends are on XBL.
Kepler is not great at compute, even top end GK110 don't fare very well against the R9 290 / 290X. That was foretold long ago, ever since the consoles specs were confirmed. There was ONE thing we could be adamant about : compute would play a bigger role than it did before.
Perhaps this a case of being slightly limited. The core clock of the CPU used for the benchmark is rather low (3.0 ghz).
At 1600p bandwith is a much more limiting factor hence cards like the 770 being left in the dust.
Hugh Swank
Member
Certainly everyone is entitled to their opinion, but I just found it ironic that DF found issues with AF & LOD on the PS4 version, yet their final verdict is that the PS4 version is "The more refined version".
The very definition of refined is to remove impurities. So if the XB1 version has better AF & LOD, wouldn't that make it the more "refined" version?
I simply found their final statement to be very contradictory.
TheDarkKnight774
Member
I don't mind pc in these comparisons I just wished we got different ranges or tiers of pc specs. So people could get a better sense on a couple of HW and game setting comparisons. The pc used here is unlikely to tell me how my PC will run, thus less effective in deciding which version to get
GribbleGrunger
Dreams in Digital
Yeah, I originally thought it was the time of day but clearly shadows do occasionally go missing.