SniperHunter
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Face-Off: Grand Theft Auto 5 on PC
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Dictator93
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I've created a visual aid.
oh, Durante
Friend of Sonic
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Wait, what? I had no idea about that last part. I've been wanting to fire up GTA IV to see if the 970 is the magical graphics card that can handle it (lol) but that'll be terrible if they don't fix that.
maybe next year the PS4/XB1 will get GTA IV remastered and then half a year later GTA IV remastered PC will release
I'm pretty relaxed actually... Unbiased?
This is what I said:
Pretty good I imagine, considering he set out to show, yet again that the incredibly stupid meme of 2 times performance coding to the METAL!!! bs console gamers love to spew is exactly that: bs.
That was my response to the troll post of someone calling out Alexandros for a thread in which he asked why the i3 and 750ti is outperforming or matching the PS4 in so many games.
In that very thread we had several posts from console gamers pointing out the to the metal myth. Not sure if the carmack tweet was pulled out, but I wouldn't be surprised if it had. It definitely WAS pulled out back on the Alienware Mini PC thread a few weeks ago though.
I think I might have over generalized a bit. It's not console gamers. It's SOME console gamers. But otherwise it was a statement of fact.
I've created a visual aid.
I know you're going for comical effect, but the difference between the PS4 and Xbox One version in areas is actually really apparent.
And yes, the PC version also enjoys a similar improvement.
Solid Samus
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Does the shadow trick still result in a massive FPS boost every time?
I don't know how that shit's not already in the OP, and bolded at that.
edit: whoa wrong thread
I don't know how that shit's not already in the OP, and bolded at that.
edit: whoa wrong thread
lukeskymac
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Does anyone else get much bigger framerate fluctuations in GTA Online than the SP? I mean sure, there're more going on there, but sometimes I go from 70+ to below 30 if I keep my standard Story Mode settings.I wouldn't mind playing Online at reduced settings to guarantee sixty+ frames, since I'm already doing that, but those settings are shared with Story Mode... so I have to switch everything and reset the game if I want to go back to Very High.
Might want to read my post again. I've done nothing of the sort.
Might want to read my post again. I've done nothing of the sort.
UpDownLeftRight
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Anyone got any idea how a 3gb gtx 580 would fare? I know it's an old card now but it packs a lot of punch still. Seeing the 2gb 680 stay over 30 at high settings gives me some hope that my card might edge it out on RAM alone.
lukeskymac
Member
Worst case scenario, even if R* doesn't make a current-gen IV port, eventually ARM GPUs will get beefy enough to run GTA IV, and we get a mobile port like San Andreas did =P
Head.spawn
Junior Member
i7 4710HQ + 970m
A regular 970 would completely dump on that. A 980 would be mind-blowing for me.
BennyBlanco
aka IMurRIVAL69
With textures on normal, you should be fine at 1080p/60 depending on your CPU.
Game runs like a dream for me on a 2 gig 670/3770k.
lukeskymac
Member
He can likely up the textures to high, he's got more than enough memory for that.
BennyBlanco
aka IMurRIVAL69
Can't wait for this 970 to get here and see what another 1.5 gig of VRAM can do for me.
TheThunder
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I have pretty much the same setup (except for a 4.4 OC and 16GB of RAM) and I'm playing at 1080p pretty much locked 60fps on settings equivalent to the PS4 if the DF article is accurate.
The only thing that I had to drop down below that is Grass quality from very high to high because it dropped to 50 in heavy vegetation areas on very high, after the change its been smooth 60.
What's your opinion on the often times claimed benefit of unified memory for GPGPU computations? How much of an average-case benefit is that compared to copying data back and forth over PCIe? I am wondering not only because of consoles, but because AMD's marketing is pushing HSA in general.
UpDownLeftRight
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Shold imagine the old 2600k will hold up a little longer. Haven't ever taxed that cpu properly outside of Maya/Blender. Will probably end up grabbing this soon if only for the director mode. Damn you Rockstar making me triple dip.
Jedipottsy
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Your always going to be bandwidth limited over pcie, better is to just have loads of system ram and loads of vram.
Still using my 2500k (4.4GHz). Such a good generation and with DX12 just around the corner they'll probably still be pretty good for a few more years. Would be awesome if DX12 is patched in to GTAV, L.A. Noire received a DX11 patch so I remain hopeful.
Aztechnology
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Digital Foundry's video's really piss me off. When you do a comparison video, it's pretty important to show at least a couple segments of video at their respective frame rates for a proper comparison. Every comparison video I see come from them is always a slowed playback feature. The amount of ignorant comments below the video shows how bad their methodology is.
Edit: Nevermind I see they also have a frame rate video. Since this is the case, it seems pertinent they properly label their videos... The first video should have been labeled as Grand Theft Auto 5: PS4 vs PC Image Quality Comparison (Or something along those lines), instead of Grand Theft Auto 5: PS4 vs PC Comparison.
Edit: Nevermind I see they also have a frame rate video. Since this is the case, it seems pertinent they properly label their videos... The first video should have been labeled as Grand Theft Auto 5: PS4 vs PC Image Quality Comparison (Or something along those lines), instead of Grand Theft Auto 5: PS4 vs PC Comparison.
jim2point0
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People will quote your avatar if it's somehow ironic given something you've posted. *shrug*
Krappadizzle
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Ploid 3.0
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"Grassgate" had some big differences.
Yeah the grass spots were very different in xbox vs ps4, not like the example. Although I'm not in the group that says PS4 look almost the same as the PC version. I don't even really know how much different the PC version looks outside of seeing that 60fps preview trailer.
To me the fact that you can down sample it, add effects and graphical settings on top makes it obvious better version. All the PC version needed was to have been handled with care and not rushed to be a glitchy poor performing mess that had to be community patched and modded to run ok.
lukeskymac
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Yeah, but what does Sissel/
Yomiel
And them frames. Don't forget them.
Krappadizzle
Member
pc thread...
It's a comparison thread that console war fanboys latch onto. Not a PC thread.
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If people don't like it tough titties, it is what it is. A thread talking about categorical differences. Problem is that people emotionally attach themselves to a brand and fight like school children even when there is physical evidence all over the place plastered in the thread. The differences on PS4/XBO are there. They are pretty big. Call it like everyone can see with their eyeballs. But the difference between PS4/PC is more significant as it's doing it at a twice the fps at the same resolution with twice as much vegetation thrown in with AA and everything else maxed out at 1080p. Start comparing higher resolution and the framerate advantages diminish rapidly. But most people have a 1080p screen(at a minimum) so if you were to compare at the same resolution across all three platforms the PC spanks both consoles handidly and it's worse so for the Xbox One(which I own to play with buds).
If anyone read that paragraph and it hurts your feelings, you are probably a fanboy. Don't be mad at the PC because of how you feel. If you read the title and decide to go in and ignore proof and it upsets you, you are best going into a GTAV discussion and talk about the game, as you obviously don't want talk about the technical differences and were looking for a pat on the back about whatever purchasing decision you've made.
derExperte
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Reminds me of the MGS:GZ thread where a bunch of people suffered a sudden and worrying impairment of their eyesight.
Not only grass, too bad it now gets reduced to that. Over the past week people on podcasts, in YT videos, reviews and forums have pointed out repeatedly how much better the draw distance of literally everything is and that they didn't expect to see such a stark difference.
Not only grass, too bad it now gets reduced to that. Over the past week people on podcasts, in YT videos, reviews and forums have pointed out repeatedly how much better the draw distance of literally everything is and that they didn't expect to see such a stark difference.
lukeskymac
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I think it's both.
Krappadizzle
Member
This is ridiculous. And you're waving your PS4 Console Warrior Flag to boot. What do you mean they make no sense? You pay for the same product of a game and one runs categorically better you can compare the two. In one I can make adjustments and tweaks and whatever and in the other I can't. One is not as good of a value. I bought this on the PC and Xone. The Xone is the worst version of the next-gen versions. I can't make any adjustments to my copy of GTA on the Xone, it is as is. I knew that when I bought it. You can compare them fairly, and if you don't like the differences you should be mad at whatever console provider you selected and not an article or R*.
Maybe I'm a bit sensitive whenever this topic occurs, as I myself was confronted with an unexpected backlash when asking some questions related to console optimization with no intention of trolling. This topic seems to raise a red flag for some
lukeskymac
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Between this post and your previous, you're waving your Platform Warrior Flag pretty hard too.
Krappadizzle
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Maybe I'm a bit sensitive whenever this topic occurs, as I myself was confronted with an unexpected backlash when asking some questions related to console optimization with no intention of trolling. This topic seems to raise a red flag for some
I applaud your honesty.
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PC be like:
the best version of the game get's to say that.
and fanboys get mad. But at least you are starting to see that these threads are for talking about the differences and then people get salty becuase who naturally doesn't want to feel better about an expensive console purchase, shit aint cheap and it stings a bit when you know you maybe don't even get to have the best version even though you spent so much money. It's a harsh reality.
Hey bud, I'm really not. You are getting defensive. I have all the consoles. The Xbox One, the PS4, and the PC. I have this game on the Xone and the PC. Get outta here if you are gonna be a warrior. Point to the portion of it that is what you think is me being a fanboy. Those are facts that you don't like to hear..
Krappadizzle
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double post.
PC version here but also played the PS4 version at a friends house...the PS4 holds up quite well in terms of visuals to my high end PC at 1080p/60fps....I use my Panasonic 55" HDTV with my gaming PC..well i should say Home Theater PC as that is why i built my latest rig a year ago so 1080p is my highest rez i can use but i am perfectly fine with that because i can sit back in a lazyboy chair and game with my PC 7 feet away from my big screen.
Gotta give Rockstar some thumbs up on the conversion, although the biggest reason why lower end PC's can hold up well to the PS4 and even mid to high end PC's is the fact that this game is running on an engine specifically designed for last gen consoles. Brute Force once again comes to the PC platforms favor while the new consoles probably could do better than this, in fact, no doubt the PS4 could do much more graphically "IF" the engine was built with these new consoles in mind. So i suppose Rockstar also deserves a thumbs up with the PS4 version as well...
I really am excited to see what these consoles, specially the PS4 can do once these cross-gen games are out of the way and we begin to see new game engines coded for the new consoles and the upcoming PC DirextX12 API.....I think we are in for a treat coming later this year once studios stop having to use old engines for the new consoles and upcoming PC DX12.....Star Wars Battlefront is one prime example of what developers can do when focusing on new console hardware and PC in mind....last gen really held the PC back...so even a gaming PC built two years ago can easily cope with the new engines designed for the new consoles and once DX12 drops....it will literally give two year old PC hardware a huge boost in capabilities in terms of graphics and game performance.
Exciting times are now starting to happen for both new consoles and gaming PC's. I am really excited for DX12 though...finally MS no longer is the Grinch it use to be lol.
Gotta give Rockstar some thumbs up on the conversion, although the biggest reason why lower end PC's can hold up well to the PS4 and even mid to high end PC's is the fact that this game is running on an engine specifically designed for last gen consoles. Brute Force once again comes to the PC platforms favor while the new consoles probably could do better than this, in fact, no doubt the PS4 could do much more graphically "IF" the engine was built with these new consoles in mind. So i suppose Rockstar also deserves a thumbs up with the PS4 version as well...
I really am excited to see what these consoles, specially the PS4 can do once these cross-gen games are out of the way and we begin to see new game engines coded for the new consoles and the upcoming PC DirextX12 API.....I think we are in for a treat coming later this year once studios stop having to use old engines for the new consoles and upcoming PC DX12.....Star Wars Battlefront is one prime example of what developers can do when focusing on new console hardware and PC in mind....last gen really held the PC back...so even a gaming PC built two years ago can easily cope with the new engines designed for the new consoles and once DX12 drops....it will literally give two year old PC hardware a huge boost in capabilities in terms of graphics and game performance.
Exciting times are now starting to happen for both new consoles and gaming PC's. I am really excited for DX12 though...finally MS no longer is the Grinch it use to be lol.
lukeskymac
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What facts don't I like to hear? I have clocked more than 70 hours of GTA V on my Steam account. You're the one who seems incapable of writing 5 lines without at least a mention of "warrior" or "fanboy".
Recovering_Jedi
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No kidding! The visual fidelity is simply unsurpassed.
I need to play this on a fully upgraded PC soon,
This version sounds above and beyond the other versions.
lukeskymac
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It really is.
Krappadizzle
Member
Gotcha, you were just talking out loud about the little differences of PS4/PC. So not really understanding where your coming from here?
It really is incredible man. Plays like a dream on PC.
I'm a triple dipper, played on 360, Xbone and now my midish PC (i7 4790K 970 16 gb)
I've recently gone back to trying the 360 and its still pretty impressive considering the machine (512 megs of ram) but the textures are shit, it looks like ants are crawling over everything and the frame rate is abysmal.
The xbone version is still very playable, I have friends who are still playing that version so I'm still booting it up while also playing the PC version. It looks good to my eyes still but there is a lot of shimmering and the frame rate is meh.
In the PC version, which I am still tweaking (if anyone has good settings for my set up I'm all ears) I have 60 frames or there abouts almost all the time, the LOD is significantly improved, the shadows and lighting are significantly improved and it has reduced shimmering and aliasing. Not to mention shit I don't care about like more stuff blowing around (particle effects?). The reason I'm still tweaking is I'm trying to eliminate or remove as much shimmering/fucking ants as possible without sacrificing too much fame rate.
Its amazing to me that some people are saying the PC only does "insert better thing here" or "I can't see a difference". yes my mid enthusiast graphics card cost almost the same as my Xbone and while going to PC is definitely not a 360 to Xbone jump it is still looks significantly better. I can understand people saying that the additional fidelity is not worth the cash, that's fine, but to say that the additional fidelity doesn't exist? That's kinda bullshit.
I've recently gone back to trying the 360 and its still pretty impressive considering the machine (512 megs of ram) but the textures are shit, it looks like ants are crawling over everything and the frame rate is abysmal.
The xbone version is still very playable, I have friends who are still playing that version so I'm still booting it up while also playing the PC version. It looks good to my eyes still but there is a lot of shimmering and the frame rate is meh.
In the PC version, which I am still tweaking (if anyone has good settings for my set up I'm all ears) I have 60 frames or there abouts almost all the time, the LOD is significantly improved, the shadows and lighting are significantly improved and it has reduced shimmering and aliasing. Not to mention shit I don't care about like more stuff blowing around (particle effects?). The reason I'm still tweaking is I'm trying to eliminate or remove as much shimmering/fucking ants as possible without sacrificing too much fame rate.
Its amazing to me that some people are saying the PC only does "insert better thing here" or "I can't see a difference". yes my mid enthusiast graphics card cost almost the same as my Xbone and while going to PC is definitely not a 360 to Xbone jump it is still looks significantly better. I can understand people saying that the additional fidelity is not worth the cash, that's fine, but to say that the additional fidelity doesn't exist? That's kinda bullshit.
Did you just call your i7 4790k 16GB ram and gtx970 "middish"?
Yes, yes he did >_>
Did you just call your i7 4790k 16GB ram and gtx970 "middish"?
Yea I did, Its definitely enthusiast but none of the parts are "the best", im not even SLI
It also only cost me about $1700 total to put the thing together, the last enthusiast machine I built (mid 2000's) cost me 4 grand.
Yea I did, Its definitely enthusiast but none of the parts are "the best".
It also only cost me about $1700 total to put the thing together, the last enthusiast machine I built (mid 2000's) cost me 4 grand.
If the new consoles could be doing much better than this on this open world gsme, they would be. Rockstar aren't a bunch of shaved monkeys. Ironically, if they found some kind of magic secret sauce, the PC would also likely share that benefit.
Yea I did, Its definitely enthusiast but none of the parts are "the best", im not even SLI
It also only cost me about $1700 total to put the thing together, the last enthusiast machine I built (mid 2000's) cost me 4 grand.
Times, they're a changin
Yea I did, Its definitely enthusiast but none of the parts are "the best", im not even SLI
It also only cost me about $1700 total to put the thing together, the last enthusiast machine I built (mid 2000's) cost me 4 grand.
How many pop tarts did you order to get that price?
Unsure which price you are making fun of. Prices were in aus btw.
And this is where peoples own definitions become important. When I built my new pc I bought a good value but pricy card, but there were better ones available. Same with my CPU and...well everything else in my box. To me that's not "high end" high end is buying the best at the time of build. Its def enthusiast though.
Boombox On
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Did you just call your i7 4790k 16GB ram and gtx970 "middish"?
I've noticed there are some people who are actually nuts enough to consider the GTX980 to be a "mid-range" card.
GAF is crazy.