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Fall 2011 Anime Thread |OT2| The Tampire is Coming

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Horizon 12

Such touching convolution. Quite the heartwarming
reunion
. Never before would I have guessed the concept of parallelism to lead to such a Feel Good scene.
 
Horizon 12

I have a feeling final episode will be a cliffhanger one. But for the episode at hand it was pretty nice, and my battle theme right in it as well.
Honda redeemed herself and the flying dragonfly and was quite nice. Battles are quite awesome in these.

Toris and Horizon's scenes were great as well, I shed a tear
 
I'm surprised I didn't see a cross, but maybe I just missed it.
Well, it's what the man is carrying. One of the more explicit scenes is in the beginning (which makes it (the cross) stand out imo) is when he's standing on the chessboard with that giant orb looming in the distance; either Oshii foresaw the end of Persona 4 or that represents some kind of godhead.

Loss of faith in what? I took the fishermen scene as a symbol of man's senseless cruelty . . . for which the flood was a punishment.
I dunno, always saw it as the fruitless pursuit of said faith, as in, the 'fishers of men' ("And he saith unto them, Follow me, and I will make you fishers of men"; Matthew 4:19) hunting for the ideal, Ichthys ((Iēsous Christos, Theou Yios, Sōtēr) a.k.a. jesus fish). Of course the significant thing is that these aren't just extinct (or semi-extinct, who knows) fish, they are the shadows of said extinct fishes, which makes that pursuit even more futile. The breaking of windows (at least I remember there being windows broken by harpoons; don't fail me memory) and such is perhaps about the destruction of the world through that useless chase, the struggle for this outdated ideal, no longer applicable to the world (thus existing in an endless, ethereal shadow-world).
 
Haruhi S2 8-9

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Angel's Egg isn't really a film you can make firm interpretations from... unless Oshii comes out and says what everything means, I guess, but even then you'd have "death of the author" arguments. It's obviously a film about Christianity, at the very least, but whether a positive or negative one is not always clear; maybe even Oshii doesn't know himself.

This article interprets it from the positive point-of-view. Obviously it's not gospel, but I found some of the points in it helpful in terms of the symbolism used:

http://web.archive.org/web/20080611162246/http://blogs.teodesian.net/wp/?p=117
 
Arts and their analyses are a game of attaching intents anyway.

Certainly, although with Oshii he did spend his life preparing to be a Priest, then he lost his faith and ended up making anime. In other words, you don't have to look very far to find symbolism in his works, it's extremely deliberate.
 
Well, it's what the man is carrying. One of the more explicit scenes is in the beginning (which makes it (the cross) stand out imo) is when he's standing on the chessboard with that giant orb looming in the distance; either Oshii foresaw the end of Persona 4 or that represents some kind of godhead.

Ah, you're right.

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And at the end of the film too.

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Can't believe I missed that. Its mechanical design made me think of it more as a weapon - which could actually be intentional, considering that the man is associated with war, first meeting the woman after riding in on a living tank. The cross as a symbol of oppression?

What does the buzzword 'faith' usually refer to? Religious faith. It's a religious allegory. It's interesting to note that Oshii was a devout Christian planning on becoming a priest, but had a crisis of faith...presumably prior to making the movie.

True, "faith" usually refers to religious faith, but I don't like when that word gets thrown around in a vague, generalized fashion - there has to be something or someone to be the recipient of faith; it can't exist in a vacuum. Thinking about it, that may be the point of Angel's Egg, if there is a "point". Their world has become a vacuum, devoid of life, devoid of memories, devoid of anything but the echoes of fish and birds long gone. There is no longer place for faith. The attempt to hold on to it only leads to violence - crashing windows,
broken egg shells, falling to be submerged in death. The woman ends up joining the rest of the statues, becoming a relic of time forgotten about, like the changed ending of the Noah's Ark story.

Thanks; this helps to clarify my thoughts on the film.
 
Threw together a preliminary list of 2011 anime -- probably still missing some stuff, particularly OVAs and movies, so any help filling in the blanks would be great.

e: Added The Borrower Arrietty, Towa no Quon, .hack//Quantum, Ghost in the Shell: S.A.C. Solid State Society 3D, Black Lagoon: Roberta's Blood Trail, Gundam Unicorn, Appleseed XIII, Sengoku Basara: The Last Party, Hellsing VIII, and Carnival Phantasm.

Interesting, I really wouldn't have much trouble putting together a top ten. The start of this year was pretty packed, at least.
 
Angel's Egg isn't really a film you can make firm interpretations from... unless Oshii comes out and says what everything means, I guess, but even then you'd have "death of the author" arguments. It's obviously a film about Christianity, at the very least, but whether a positive or negative one is not always clear; maybe even Oshii doesn't know himself.

This article interprets it from the positive point-of-view. Obviously it's not gospel, but I found some of the points in it helpful in terms of the symbolism used:

http://web.archive.org/web/20080611162246/http://blogs.teodesian.net/wp/?p=117

I don't think you can interpret Angel's Egg in a positive frame without distorting it. You don't have to dig very deep - the dark color scheme, the grotesque designs, the ruined, abandoned landscapes, the melancholy music - this film doesn't have much, if any, rays of hope.
 
Only two series I see missing from what I've watched this year would be Double J and 30 Sai.

You really ain't missing much, don't even bother putting them on the list.
 
I don't think you can interpret Angel's Egg in a positive frame without distorting it. You don't have to dig very deep - the dark color scheme, the grotesque designs, the ruined, abandoned landscapes, the melancholy music - this film doesn't have much, if any, rays of hope.

True to a degree, but I don't think tone and atmosphere should always be construed as message. You can have films with incredibly dark tones that actually have a positive message, or seemingly happy, colorful family films with a negative message. I mean, people love Miyazaki's films, but he's actually a really pessimistic guy. Though he may not be the best example since he seems to deliberately make films happier than he is.
 
Threw together a preliminary list of 2011 anime -- probably still missing some stuff, particularly OVAs and movies, so any help filling in the blanks would be great.

e: Added The Borrower Arrietty, Towa no Quon, .hack//Quantum, Ghost in the Shell: S.A.C. Solid State Society 3D, Black Lagoon: Roberta's Blood Trail, Gundam Unicorn, Appleseed XIII, Sengoku Basara: The Last Party, Hellsing VIII, and Carnival Phantasm.
Also missing: Lupin III: Blood Seal - Eternal Mermaid. It's actually pretty good.
 
Seitokai Yakuindomo 11 - 12 - :lol, this show is such good stuff... :) It just stays consistently funny, in every episode. Yeah, as I said last time jokes repeat, but overall it works really well. This show isn't as good as 2011's best comedy series (Nichijou), but it is very good.

There are some more suggestions of romance in this anime than in the manga, but it's still a small part of the show, heavily overshadowed by other stuff, which was good; romance isn't what this show is about.

As for the contents of these episodes, in ep. 12 the MC's sister passes her entrance exam and gets into Seitokai Yakuindomo (the school). That was pretty funny stuff, that interview... her and the horrible teacher get along perfectly! :lol


Not gonna lie, that show is a bit of a guilty pleasure for me. I just get a lot of laughs out of it and this scene in particular is one of my favorites:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-8lYRmYmdn0

the main reason i hope there's a second season is because there's just so much damn sexual tension between tsuda and shino. I secretly hope something comes out of that. <_<

Guilty pleasure? Bah, it's a fun show. :) But yeah, I'm definitely hoping for a second season. The anime is a bit different from the manga -- the manga has less suggestion of romance than the anime does, really (even considering how subdued it is in the anime, it's less in the manga) -- but it's mostly as quite good adaptation, as I've said, and it'd be great to see another full season.

Okabe and Roy Mustang losing is a crime against good taste.

There are worse things than that happening in that set of polls, like Toaru characters winning. :(

Eh, I don't know 11 was pretty glorious. That said...

YuruYuri 12

Yeah, just as I expected, almost zero resolution of romantic tension. *sigh* Oh well, no use dwelling. It was a pretty good episode. Oh so very :cajun~, especially Yui in the panda PJs, and the fujioshi going
kiss-crazy upon the consumption of chocolate like she just dropped ecstasy
was amusing enough, especially the fallout. It ALMOST brought a level of resolution to the plot later on, but again, typical bullcrap.

And poor Akari, such a buttmonkey. I will never forget her sacrifice! BRING ON SEASON 2!
I really, really, really want at least SOME relief of that romantic tension...
Pretty good episode? It was a great episode! As for resolution, and romance, though... eh, maybe, but I don't mind it as it is. They're young, and it works well enough in the script. I mean, sure, it's a little annoying, but overall I don't mind too much.

If one wasn't already a fan of Horizon, the better episodes haven't been that much better than the earlier episodes. They all have the same problems that were apparent in the first few.
Really? I haven't watched since somewhere around ep. 5... I'm still trying to decide whether to go back to it or not.
 
True to a degree, but I don't think tone and atmosphere should always be construed as message. You can have films with incredibly dark tones that actually have a positive message, or seemingly happy, colorful family films with a negative message. I mean, people love Miyazaki's films, but he's actually a really pessimistic guy. Though he may not be the best example since he seems to deliberately make films happier than he is.

Miyazaki is a pessimistic guy, but his films don't reflect that. Princess Mononoke comes closest, and even it has an extremely redemptive and uplifting ending. It's true that a work's tone can be at odds with its message, but there's not much I see in Angel's Egg that could be construed as having a positive outlook towards Christianity, or the world in general.
 
Haruhi S2 6-7

I can't even begin to imagine just how bad this must have been whilst waiting a week between episodes. How in the fuck could anyone working on this think this was a good idea? Kyon-kun denwa

Perhaps someone just thought it would be an awesome troll, they were certainly right about that.
 
Miyazaki is a pessimistic guy, but his films don't reflect that. Princess Mononoke comes closest, and even it has an extremely redemptive and uplifting ending. It's true that a work's tone can be at odds with its message, but there's not much I see in Angel's Egg that could be construed as having a positive outlook towards Christianity, or the world in general.

To be clear, I don't think Angel's Egg is a positive work, but it is a film that can be interpreted in multiple ways that aren't invalid, and the nature of the symbols is that they can be construed in different ways. The tone and atmosphere is unarguably dark and depressing, though.

Also, you're forgetting Spirited Away where
Chihiro forgets everything at the end.
 
To be clear, I don't think Angel's Egg is a positive work, but it is a film that can be interpreted in multiple ways that aren't invalid, and the nature of the symbols is that they can be construed in different ways. The tone and atmosphere is unarguably dark and depressing, though.

Also, you're forgetting Spirited Away where
Chihiro forgets everything at the end.

I prefer to forget that,
like the dub does
.
 
Do we count Redline as 2011?
You're right, first DVD/BD release was August 10. Added.
Arrietty is 2010.
For movies I was going by BD release date (like with Redline above) since, as zeroshiki argued earlier, otherwise the audience is limited to only those who were able to see it in a theater.
Also missing: Lupin III: Blood Seal - Eternal Mermaid. It's actually pretty good.
Thanks, added.
 
Also, there's no proof that Lewis Carroll was a pedophile. Taking "artistic nudes" of children was what everyone with a camera did back then. It was like "Hey, I just picked up this awesome Daguerreotype, what should I do with it?!" "I know, I'll have my kids take off their clothes and you can take pictures of them!" "Brilliant!"

Wait, this isn't a good argument is it...
 
YuruYuri 12

I like this show.

But seriously, I despise subtitles that keep the (edit) unnecessary honorifics. It's gimmicky, redundant and stupid. I can hear the chans, samas, oneesans and senpais in the audio just fine without having to be reminded of it when I read the subtitles.
 
Ben-to 11

Yarizui with dat bed-ridden moe and a final boss outta nowhere. Will they be able to wrap this up satisfactorily with just one episode left? Probably not but I'm expecting we'll at least get to see some sweet fights.
 
Chihayafuru 12

I'm glad that the wonders of Karuta are being spread to all far and wide. I actually got a little misty eyed when
Chihaya found her dad'd scrapbook of her accomplishments.
 
Seitokai Yakuindomo 13 - The last episode already... :( This episode isn't like the rest though, and honestly I don't think the change was entirely a good idea. Instead of being more jokes based on the manga, this chapter is mostly new, particularly in the second half, which is half a recap episode, half a fourth wall ignoring sequence. It felt like they were going for something from a random comedy show, not what this show usually does, and while it was kind of funny, overall, the way the show usually is is definitely better than this.

There are a bunch of random little bits, like a "promo" for a generic-looking magical girl show, "credits" from some romance anime or something starring the MC's sister, that aforementioned "recap episode", etc. The alst of those is the funniest -- it was annoying at first, I mean, do we REALLY need recaps in a show this short, but partway through it goes off the rails and starts being new random bits, which was amusing. Still, the show's better than this other times, when it's doing the kinds of humor it usually does. Those may repeat, sure, but they're funnier than this episode is even so.

Oh, the first half of this episode was probably better than the second half, that "credits" sequence at the end aside. Before then there were some more expected, typical SYD jokes. And on that note, I've got to say that I like the OP. It's interesting how they tried to make it sound like a school song, and not just a generic anime OP; decent concept there, and it's a good OP too.

So yeah, overall, season one of Seitokai Yakuindomo was great. The last episode wasn't entirely successful, but the first twelve were great fun. I'm hoping the two OVAs (both from this year) are good... I'll watch them soon. :)

25/75 no/yes? The manga's kind of amusing, if stupid. We'll see if the anime is any good though.

YuruYuri 6
Oh, now that's just a bit disappointing. Yup, they didn't live up to the Comuket Yuri episode. They didn't even bother to acknowledge that Chinatsu totally made out with Akari last episode! Still, it was amusing enough. The next episode looks good, and I think that might be where I call it a night.

Yeah, it was disappointing that the ending to the last episode was just completely dropped... oh well.

YuruYuri 9

Ha! Great twist end there. I must have missed something though, because why the Student Council President is a mute sort of went over my head. Was it some drug or... eh, not really important. Next episode seems to lack Akari, so I might just call it there and watch the last two episodes tomorrow. It's fun stuff, but they seem to have left all the plot points dangling in the wind. I wonder if they'll gather them in the next episode...

The show explained that she couldn't talk because of a side-effect of the drug that the teacher (who of course she is yuri with) gives her, because she tests drugs she comes up with or something like that (I forget the details). She doesn't seem to mind the side effects though, which was kind of odd. Or did a later episode explain that?

Seriously, I know Yami sucked but it's not even close to the worst thing I've ever seen, I think you're being way too hard on it.

Yeah, it's not THAT bad.
 
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