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Fat activists protest diet industry
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ON the same note, why is there such a higher percentage of obese/fat people in the states than in Canada? I mean, its something that is easily noticeable. We eat the same food, etc. I mean how hard is it to take care of your body? Unless its something they aspire to, which is a consideration.
Echoes of Pink
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The only thing that makes it worse is the fact that the picture was taken in the town I live in. : |
samus4ever
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Slurpy said:
maybe because you only have 31,902,268 people living in canada, and the USA has 290,809,777 living in the country? maybe, thats why?!
My stepmom is obese, and my dad is almost obese as well... I just fear for their health. My bro's only six and my sis 2, I want my parents to be able to get them to college, but sometimes i think they might die before then. 
it scares me..plus i don't want to lose my dad earlier than i have to...
it scares me..plus i don't want to lose my dad earlier than i have to...Warm Machine
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I was just down in the States and there are a LOT of very obese people down there. Sure, I was in Anaheim and it was tough to figure out who is from where though.
I don't know what the problem down there is. All I know is that I walk almost everywhere I want to go and rarely take a car anywhere. That and I don't hit Krispy Kreme for breakfast.
I don't know what the problem down there is. All I know is that I walk almost everywhere I want to go and rarely take a car anywhere. That and I don't hit Krispy Kreme for breakfast.
Desperado said:My stepmom is obese, and my dad is almost obese as well... I just fear for their health. My bro's only six and my sis 2, I want my parents to be able to get them to college, but sometimes i think they might die before then.
Maybe you should tell them this some time, it could be a whole new encouragement for them to try and lose some weight.
I can understand if you've been regularly exercising and watching your diet and yet your body refuses to let go of the weight, but if you merely try to pass off your condition as your "lifestyle" and demand others stop persecuting you, then forgive me if I have no sympathy.
Do the diets fail, or do the people who are on the diets fail them? Of the few people i've seen on weight loss diets, they usually breakdown and return to their old eating habits, regaining their old weight and possibly more. A diet isn't a way to lose weight, but a system of eating. What you eat consitutes your diet. While i'll agree that the we've been brainwashed to think of diets as some magic pill to lose weight, we're all responsible for what we put into our bodies, and the amount of exercise we get to condition them.
Mike Works
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Slurpy said:
samus4ever said:
drohne said:
No, the real brainwashing is the idea that there's a secret shortcut to quick and effortless health. Some people think that if only they just don't eat fat, or carbs, or food in solid form... they won't have to work for it. The real problem is that the human body wasn't evolved for sitting on its ass all day, and doesn't handle modern society all that well. Exercise is fundamental to any real effort to lose weight, and diet should be treated as complimentary.aoi tsuki said:
Crispy said:
Yeah well, I mean they try to lose weight, they just go about it the wrong way...my stepmom thinks buying a bunch of "low carb" foods is gonna help, while every weekend my dad ends up barbequeing...sausage, steak, hamburger; and this weird chicken+jalapeno+cream cheese, wrapped in bacon [WTF??]...That just ain't healthy. I've tried on many occasions to tell them that Atkins just doesn't work and isn't healthy, but they don't listen...though i guess i should tell them how i feel about their and my sibling's futures....but i fear it might hurt more than it would help...
also, my dad's dad has prostate cancer [under control] and my dad refuses to go get checked up on...I've told him that there's a very high risk that he might have it, but he just ignores the danger...
Desperado said:
That's sad to hear
. I kinda feel the same about my mom. She "wants" to lose weight, but really doesn't go about it the right way. She thinks just changing her diet a bit is enough, but i keep telling her you have to move, you have to exercise, you have to sweat. Plus she's a smoker and overall is stubborn. I've tried to lead by example too, back in January is when she started wanting to lose weight, and I said i'd do it with her to support her. My big weakness is my sweet tooth(especially at that time), so i sacrificed that. I ended up sticking with it and i'm still with it(64 pounds lost and counting), but she didn't. Last week though we did go for a walk together, and she did the whole thing without lighting a cigarette, so i was proud of her for that.I don't know your parents personally, so i don't know what exactly would reach them, but try to get them to make small changes at a time. Maybe try to get them to eat smaller portions as opposed to outright diet changes. Try to get them to be more active(again, i don't know your parents so i don't know what they like...maybe put on a CD and dance around the house...or do some housework, or a walk around the neighborhood, etc). Reward small victories(not with a tub of ice cream of course)...a little confidence boost goes a lot way. Anyway, I hope things turn out well.
ConfusingJazz
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Ladies and gentleman, I would like you to present to you the best way to lose weight.
Moderation!
You can eat what you want, just not as much of it. Don't go for the Hungry Man, excuse yourself from seconds, don't eat dessert, don't order the 16 oz or higher steak. IT WORKS!
Oh, and exercise a little, not much, just 20 minutes on a treadmill would be fine or a walk with your dog or something.
Moderation!
You can eat what you want, just not as much of it. Don't go for the Hungry Man, excuse yourself from seconds, don't eat dessert, don't order the 16 oz or higher steak. IT WORKS!
Oh, and exercise a little, not much, just 20 minutes on a treadmill would be fine or a walk with your dog or something.
i dropped roughly 80 pounds in a span of 6months (i know not healthy) and my mom was trying to follow suite, but bailed after a month.
I think dieting gets harder the older you get, as they say the right motivation is everything - and my mom just clearly didnt have any motivation for losing it...and how could she? Shes married, 48, and has 3 kids and I dont blame her at all. At that age Id prolly just let myself go and eat as much as I fookin want.
I think dieting gets harder the older you get, as they say the right motivation is everything - and my mom just clearly didnt have any motivation for losing it...and how could she? Shes married, 48, and has 3 kids and I dont blame her at all. At that age Id prolly just let myself go and eat as much as I fookin want.
Saint Cornelius
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Desperado said:
That sounds so fucking GOOD though. Tell your dad to share the recipe with my fat ass.
*slurps Slim Fast*
As a people, Americans are much more intemperate than Canadians, in all spheres (or so I've gathered). This necessarily manifests itself as a higher incidence of gluttony (genetic "predispositions"/medical conditions aside), resulting in more "fatties". I'm sure the ubiquity of fast food establishments along with the economy of their fare (i.e., it's difficult to eat healthy for $5/meal, but you can get a value meal at any of the major fast food chains for that price) plays a major role as well; I'm not sure if it's quite the same in Canada, since I've only visited once (Niagara Falls) and that was when I was very young.
Lifestyles should be equally sedentary, considering that we're both post-industrial societies, but Americans also work many more hours on average than Canadians, and thus would have less time to devote to an exercise regimen. To be sure, it's a multifactorial problem, and one which must be attacked on many fronts-- from health care, to entertainment, to economics, to cultural trends; I also believe that the current "love yourself regardless of everything movement", though well-intentioned, many times has the opposite effect of encouraging complacency and acceptance of patently unhealthy and undesirable lifestyles. Certainly, people should never feel worthless just because they're very overweight, as one's worth is not measured by the scale, but to then try to condone such habits/states-- even implicitly-- is just begging for trouble.
It's very sad. I didn't read the linked article, but if it's as the topic title says it is, these "fat people" doing the protesting are horribly, horribly misguided. Yes, our culture is incredibly shallow and superficial, and images of "beautiful people" abound in the media; to speak out against those conditions is sensible, while arguing that proper diet is not beneficial is just...odd. This country is a joke in its entirety, if you ask me.
Lifestyles should be equally sedentary, considering that we're both post-industrial societies, but Americans also work many more hours on average than Canadians, and thus would have less time to devote to an exercise regimen. To be sure, it's a multifactorial problem, and one which must be attacked on many fronts-- from health care, to entertainment, to economics, to cultural trends; I also believe that the current "love yourself regardless of everything movement", though well-intentioned, many times has the opposite effect of encouraging complacency and acceptance of patently unhealthy and undesirable lifestyles. Certainly, people should never feel worthless just because they're very overweight, as one's worth is not measured by the scale, but to then try to condone such habits/states-- even implicitly-- is just begging for trouble.
It's very sad. I didn't read the linked article, but if it's as the topic title says it is, these "fat people" doing the protesting are horribly, horribly misguided. Yes, our culture is incredibly shallow and superficial, and images of "beautiful people" abound in the media; to speak out against those conditions is sensible, while arguing that proper diet is not beneficial is just...odd. This country is a joke in its entirety, if you ask me.
Ninja Scooter
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Slurpy said:
i blame Florida. They bring down our averages in almost everything.
America is a very prosperous nation. And their agriculture is one of the best in the world. Because the population is so relatively low and clustered around cities, there are plenty of acres of farmland, supported by advanced biotech. This means there's a lot of food to go around, and always available for most people. With all this abundance, a natrual consequence is indugence.
And the reliance of the automobile is another contributor - who walks in the suburbs anymore? One time I was walking around suburban San Jose to visit some friends, and I looked around and I was the only species not in a car.
Plus as somewhat of an outsider, I've observed that portions in some of your restaurants are out of control. They're HUGE! When the plate's as big as my head, I don't need every square inch filled with sides - and being taught as a kid to "clean your plate" is no longer a benefit.
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And the reliance of the automobile is another contributor - who walks in the suburbs anymore? One time I was walking around suburban San Jose to visit some friends, and I looked around and I was the only species not in a car.
Plus as somewhat of an outsider, I've observed that portions in some of your restaurants are out of control. They're HUGE! When the plate's as big as my head, I don't need every square inch filled with sides - and being taught as a kid to "clean your plate" is no longer a benefit.
Yeah, well, so did Chris Farleylevious said:
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Saint Cornelius
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"after school he used to sip brew by the jug
enough to piss barley
cracker told him "chill! before you end up like Chris Farley"
he said "yes'm mr. charley,
now kindly shut the fuck up, I'm trying to twist this Marley"
-Vikter Vaughn, "Dope Skill"
enough to piss barley
cracker told him "chill! before you end up like Chris Farley"
he said "yes'm mr. charley,
now kindly shut the fuck up, I'm trying to twist this Marley"
-Vikter Vaughn, "Dope Skill"
ROFL. I always have to laugh at all this ripping of fat people yet no mention of all other escapsisms like drugs, drinking, smoking, extreme sports that people do that is just as hardful. We all have our own ways of dealing with a world that needs to slowdown.
Oh and keep John Candy the fuck out of this thread! I would not doubt he brought more joy them most of us combined.
Oh and keep John Candy the fuck out of this thread! I would not doubt he brought more joy them most of us combined.
samus4ever said:
lets talk about ratios. by ratio canada and other countries have far less obese people than the US. The fact is a lot of these people just dont take care of eachother. Obese people in general. How many times have I seen some obese person on the subway eating a couple of Quarter Pounders with cheese???? many of these do it to themselves. Then they complain. Whatever.
madara said:
drug addicts, alcoholics all get ripped on when they claim that things aren't their fault either.
I got nothing against fat people, nor ones that are comfortable with it... but to claim that obesity is a natural human trait is bs. And to criticize a government who wants to encourage it's people not to be fat is ridiculous.
And about the Full Figured health instructor, "Bliss, who coaches clients by phone and in fitness classes"
That's comedy... "some days I work out of the home."
Desperado said:
If your parents insist on doing Atkins, perhaps you might buy them the Atkins book so they do it correctly. Buying those "low carb" products are going to ruin it for them. They're nothing but crap with a pretty green sticker slapped on for marketing purposes.
Atkins does work if done the healthy way and not the way most people believe it works. Eating bunless hamburgers all day is not Atkins.
Lucky Forward
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Saint Cornelius said:That sounds so fucking GOOD though. Tell your dad to share the recipe with my fat ass.
*slurps Slim Fast*
http://barbeque.allrecipes.com/az/JlpnChicknII.asp
Very interesting article in the National Geographic.
Why are we so fat?
In it they compared diets of people from the 50s to the present and they haven't really varied. What has changed is the amount of food we eat. Sadly, most people value portion size more than quality.
Why are we so fat?
In it they compared diets of people from the 50s to the present and they haven't really varied. What has changed is the amount of food we eat. Sadly, most people value portion size more than quality.
explodet said:Yeah, I write up this nice little post stating a case and I mess up on something simple as population density
Even still, every one of your points in your original post also applies to Canada, and yet, if the (somewhat unsupported so far) statements in this thread are correct, Canada has less obesity than the States.
Yeah, even before my current fitness kick, back when i was a comic book shop/arcade hopping teenager, my friends and i would go to Burger King, and they'd always supersize(or whatever store-specific term for their "Fatten me up, Scotty!" portion was), and I couldn't bring myself to do it. A lot of times i'd forgo the french fries...it's just empty calories pretty much. Too bad all the bad stuff is packaged together and cheap. I can go to a corner store and get over 1,000 calories for $1(4 25 cent "Little Debbie" type snacks). I long for a day when a protein bar is as cheap as a candy bar.
Saint Cornelius
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Lucky Forward, you are the MAN! Thanks!
Lucky Forward
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Saint Cornelius said:
Youre welcome. Of course, Id never eat that artery clogging crap myself; I just like searching for stuff.
ConfusingJazz
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HOLY JESUS! Thats some healthy stuff right there.
Saint Cornelius
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okay, okay, jesus christ! It's not like I'm planning on eating it for breakfast lunch & dinner.
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