Feminist writers are so besieged by online abuse that some have begun to retire (WaPo

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The Technomancer

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Yeah there's been a theme to my threads lately. I'm simultaneously incredibly angry and disheartened these days. This piece in particular I think articulates something important: its not about one insult, or even about one threat, its about the emotional toll that constant abuse takes on a person

http://www.washingtonpost.com/opini...c4ca6c-b7dd-11e4-a200-c008a01a6692_story.html

Jessica Valenti is one of the most successful and visible feminists of her generation. As a columnist for the Guardian, her face regularly appears on the site’s front page. She has written five books, one of which was adapted into a documentary, since founding the blog Feministing.com. She gives speeches all over the country. And she tells me that, because of the nonstop harassment that feminist writers face online, if she could start over, she might prefer to be completely anonymous. “I don’t know that I would do it under my real name,” she says she tells young women who are interested in writing about feminism. It’s “not just the physical safety concerns but the emotional ramifications” of constant, round-the-clock abuse.

Feminists of the past faced angry critics, letters to the editor and even protests. But the incessant, violent, sneering, sexualized hatred their successors absorb is harder to escape. For women of color, racial abuse comes along with the sexism. “I have received racialized rape threats that I don’t think I would necessarily receive if I were white,” Wilson says. “A lot of things about anatomy — black women’s anatomy.” She finds herself talking about the online abuse in therapy, she says. “There is trauma, especially related to the death and rape threats,” she says. Eventually, such sustained abuse ends up changing people — both how they live and how they work.

In her epochal book “Backlash,” Susan Faludi described the anti-feminist cultural messages of the 1980s as a “relentless whittling-down process” that “served to stir women’s private anxieties and break their political wills.” Today’s online backlash may be even more draining. It saps morale and leads to burnout. “You can’t get called a c--- day in, day out for 10 years and not have that make a really serious impact on your psyche,” says Valenti, who thinks about quitting “all the time.” Just how long can this generation of feminists endure?

Indeed, some are not. In 2013, the pro-choice activist Jaclyn Munson wrote about going undercover at an anti-abortion crisis pregnancy center. Soon a stalker was sending her death threats. They scared her so much, she started sleeping with the lights on. A year ago, exhausted and depleted, she largely gave up writing online, deleted her Twitter account and now plans to go to law school, which she hopes will let her work on the issues she cares about in a safer, less exposed way. “It was just becoming really emotionally overwhelming to be on the front lines all the time,” she says.

Filipovic, the former editor of the blog Feministe, says that, although her skin has thickened over the years, the daily need to brace against the online onslaught has changed her. “I doubt myself a lot more. You read enough times that you’re a terrible person and an idiot, and it’s very hard not to start believing that maybe they see something that you don’t.” She also finds it harder to let her guard down. “I have not figured out how to spend all day steeling against criticism — not just criticism, but really awful things people say to you and about you — and then go home and 30 minutes later you’re an emotionally available, normal person.”

Meanwhile, the creator of Feministe, Lauren Bruce, no longer has an online presence at all. “I had to completely cut that part off in order to live the rest of my life,” she says. “In order to work, have a nice family and feel like I was emotionally whole, I could not have one foot planted in a toxic stew.”

Lots more at the link
 
In 2013, the pro-choice activist Jaclyn Munson wrote about going undercover at an anti-abortion crisis pregnancy center. Soon a stalker was sending her death threats. They scared her so much, she started sleeping with the lights on. A year ago, exhausted and depleted, she largely gave up writing online, deleted her Twitter account and now plans to go to law school, which she hopes will let her work on the issues she cares about in a safer, less exposed way. “It was just becoming really emotionally overwhelming to be on the front lines all the time,” she says.

Meanwhile, the creator of Feministe, Lauren Bruce, no longer has an online presence at all. “I had to completely cut that part off in order to live the rest of my life,” she says. “In order to work, have a nice family and feel like I was emotionally whole, I could not have one foot planted in a toxic stew.”

Fucking hell. This is unbelievable. People getting scared out of their jobs by fucking scum.
 
Disgusting. Insults are a part of free speech and you just have to deal with them but threats of violence should be penalized.
 
what is the sole reason for this abuse. is there a certain segment of society which applies this abuse or from all types of people. not been following this but is it in US alone in western world?
 
^iggy quit because she was getting harassed for being a racist jerk.



I think we need stronger laws protecting people from being harassed online
 
I think we need stronger laws protecting people from being harassed online

Pointless because you need to be able to identify them. If you can identify them then you can ban, reverse-dox, blackmail, callout, shame, spam and otherwise torment them into submission. Basically what they do in reverse.
 
I think we need stronger laws protecting people from being harassed online


agreed. freedom of speech does not mean the right to be an asshole to someone by harassing them. that's bullshit.

social media makes that way easier to do, even some asshat in their underwear all day and never leave the house can harass someone non stop.

disgusting and sad that's how they choose to live their lives.
 
I remember when Felicia Day finally spoke out about the gamergate idiots in a blog post and some shit doxxed her in the comments section.


Which these days basically means "don't be a public figure"

And a woman. Somehow I doubt that male writers are sent nearly as many rape threats.
 
Not all of us are living in 1990.

haha im sorry to offend you. It's deplorable this is happening to them. Unfortunately social media is a really easy platform to be torn down from when you're a public figure :(

I personally would have to ignore that shit. I wouldn't be able to put up with it.
 
Wasn't that Azalea Banks who was being racist? I'm getting my Australias confused maybe.

Banks is a little bigoted, but the two aren't really comparable. Azealia Banks said that white people shouldn't rap (although they can say the n-word) and Iggy Azalea has a very long history of saying offensive things about minorities.

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I get it. I would retire too. That has to be mentally, emotionally, and physically exhausting, depressing and discouraging.

It's gross that anonymity allows people to threaten and belittle people they don't even know.
 
Wasn't that Azalea Banks who was being racist? I'm getting my Australias confused maybe.

They both are. But more to the point, people are harassing others on social media with zero repercussions. Twitter CEO already made it clear that they fucked up. I mean people online suck, but if the solution some are suggesting is to not go online at all then you know we fucked up bad.

Banks is a little bigoted, but the two aren't really comparable. Azealia Banks said that white people shouldn't rap (although they can say the n-word) and Iggy Azalea has a very long history of saying offensive things about minorities.

Don't downplay Banks, she's just as bad as iggy, my man. Neither of them need defending.
 
Don't forget the rampant homophobia she was spitting.

I think she would have received the abuse she did no matter what she said.

It is inescapable at this point.

Not excusing what she said of course. I think a lot of the abuse is unprovoked, especially on twitter.
 
I never know how to respond to stories like this beyond a sort of profound disappointment with humanity in general. It's a core trait of humanity to want to improve, but we get so caught up in our own ego and shortsightedness that we self-sabotage all the time. Systematically discriminating against half your population makes everything worse in the long run, even if you're of the group that immediately benefits, but we get so entrenched in defending out own cultural inertia that anyone suggesting a different approach gets...bullied. Like a bunch of children running on emotion rather than logic.

The most intelligent thing verified to exist in the universe and so many of us do everything possible to lower that bar.

Yes, I took this into a wider scope than may have been intended.
 
Social media sites need to be more responsible for online harassment, and maybe it's getting to the point where Twitter (just an example) should be legally sanctioned for it. They've done literally nothing about online harassment, although they say they're making it their primary concern now.
 
Pointless because you need to be able to identify them. If you can identify them then you can ban, reverse-dox, blackmail, callout, shame, spam and otherwise torment them into submission. Basically what they do in reverse.
That's what a judiciary body is for. They're the ones getting your harassers' info from service providers, not you.
So no, no reason to imagine it would go they way you depict.

This is a legal issue and depends entirely on the means in the hands of law enforcement.
 
This is a really awful article to publish, because tens of thousands of gamergaters will use it as proof that they've won.
 
was anyone expecting iggy to come out with some thoughtful, progressive ideas? Also, I don't know what people see in her music, it sucks, and she's not attractive
 
The daily beast had an interesting article about that

Men Are Harassed More Than Women Online

Being a woman can certainly make you a target but overall is the internet itself a damn nasty place.

Huh. I'm surprised. One big issue, though, is that attacks against women (or men of color) tend to use traditional power disparities to the harassers' advantage. Racists who want to put down a Black activist can use age-old stereotypes and hatred, like the woman in the OP describes. You really can't use that against a white guy.
 
It's so exhausting to see all of this bullshit that keeps happening, and even more disheartening to feel like I can't really do anything to help besides trying to keep people in check when I see the bullshit. I can't even imagine how demoralizing it is for the people on the receiving end of this bullshit.
 
That's what a judiciary body is for. They're the ones getting your harassers' info from service providers, not you.
So no, no reason to imagine it would go they way you depict.

This is a legal issue and depends entirely on the means in the hands of law enforcement.

The internet is not a country, it doesn't have a government. You cannot enforce rules on what you have no control over.
 
On a related note, This American Life had a story recently about Jezebel writer Lindy West, and how one troll harassed her in a horrific way, but eventually became remorseful of his actions and opened a dialogue with her. It's a fascinating story and definitely worth a listen to get a picture of the mind of a misogynistic troll.
 
was anyone expecting iggy to come out with some thoughtful, progressive ideas? Also, I don't know what people see in her music, it sucks, and she's not attractive

Eh, that's not really called for. There are many more legitimate reasons to hate on Iggy, anyway.
 
Indeed, some are not. In 2013, the pro-choice activist Jaclyn Munson wrote about going undercover at an anti-abortion crisis pregnancy center. Soon a stalker was sending her death threats. They scared her so much, she started sleeping with the lights on. A year ago, exhausted and depleted, she largely gave up writing online, deleted her Twitter account and now plans to go to law school, which she hopes will let her work on the issues she cares about in a safer, less exposed way. “It was just becoming really emotionally overwhelming to be on the front lines all the time,” she says.

Is that a feminist issue?
 
Huh. I'm surprised. One big issue, though, is that attacks against women (or men of color) tend to use traditional power disparities to the harassers' advantage. Racists who want to put down a Black activist can use age-old stereotypes and hatred, like the woman in the OP describes. You really can't use that against a white guy.
Yeah true, the article also talks about that. Harassment against women or minorities always has a "get back in your place" tone to it.
 
I will never understand why calling for equal rights/treatment makes so many people so angry.

You don't understand why accusing men of being sexist pigs would set some of them off?

I mean I don't necessarily disagree but a lot of feminist articles I see online are basically trashing some company or person for being a huge asshole.
 
This is a really awful article to publish, because tens of thousands of gamergaters will use it as proof that they've won.

Bingo, advertising that their scare tactics are working is just not the way to handle this.

I understand the abuse is too much and no one should have to continue to face it and I completely understand their desires to quit, but to acknowledge this in such a manner is providing them more power.
 
Yeah true, the article also talks about that. Harassment against a women or minorities always has a "get back in your place" tone to it.

One thing I've always wondered is how many of those harassers truly believe that women and minorities ought to actually be back in they're place, or if they're just opportunistically using that old rhetoric as a weapon.

I will never understand why calling for equal rights/treatment makes so many people so angry.

A lot of traditionally-empowered people find themselves attacked unfairly by social groups. People (mostly straight white guys) who don't view themselves as privileged don't understand why they're targeted.

In addition, a lot of guys don't feel like they have any privilege. If you're a 22-year-old kissless virgin with few friends and a shitty apartment, and have never catcalled a woman, how dare those damn feminazis claim you have more power than they do?

The fact that some people described as SJWs do take an antagonistic or hateful approach doesn't really help things, but the main reason for bad feelings toward social justice are insecurity.
 
Is that a feminist issue?

Abortion? Very much.

I will never understand why calling for equal rights/treatment makes so many people so angry.

It's their own disempowerment they fear, which they see as the direct result of empowering women. This abuse is, imo, their demonstration of strength against a victim who cannot fight back, in hopes that they are somehow preserving their privileged positions.
 
I remember when Felicia Day finally spoke out about the gamergate idiots in a blog post and some shit doxxed her in the comments section.




And a woman. Somehow I doubt that male writers are sent nearly as many rape threats.

The comment itself was so surreal. It was something along the lines of "don't be scared, your info is easy enough to get, so if someone wanted to hurt you they would have already!"

what is the sole reason for this abuse. is there a certain segment of society which applies this abuse or from all types of people. not been following this but is it in US alone in western world?

There isn't really a singular reason for all of this, which makes it all the more difficult to pint down and try to deal with. The US is a big name in all of this, but I guarantee it's a huge issue in most western-centric countries.

Which these days basically means "don't be a public figure"

Basically, heck I'd take it so far as to say it means "don't use the internet". People don't really realize just how connected we are to the internet and social media. When we say "Social media", people think it's just Facebook and Twitter, maybe 4Chan and a forum or two, but really it's practically the whole of the internet.
 
Honestly man or woman alike, the type of shit people can pull using social media is pretty sad. Between people swatting others over streaming sites, doxxing people through social media and generally slinging out threats of violence, it's all real sad stuff.
 
Huh. I'm surprised. One big issue, though, is that attacks against women (or men of color) tend to use traditional power disparities to the harassers' advantage. Racists who want to put down a Black activist can use age-old stereotypes and hatred, like the woman in the OP describes. You really can't use that against a white guy.

True, all you can use against a white guy is threatening to kill him, or his family, or any other sort of vile. Clearly not as bad though...
 
Absolutely disgusting how outspoken women are treated on the internet. GamerGate and their ilk should be ashamed of thsmelves.

I remember when Felicia Day finally spoke out about the gamergate idiots in a blog post and some shit doxxed her in the comments section.

The worst part is, she didn't speak out against GG. She said something along the lines of "i wouldn't say anything one or way or the other, i don't want to be doxxed" and then... boom.


You don't understand why accusing men of being sexist pigs would set some of them off?

smh
 
This sucks. They are fighting the good fight and the vocal, internet-powerful minority are fucking their shit up. And the sad thing is people will campaign against these folk no matter how anonymous they try to make themselves.

neogaf is depressing sometimes.

The more I deal with people and the older I get, I'm starting to realize that other's opinions are pretty set in stone. And most people get incredibly defensive and emotional about their stance. How can you change the mind of a huge group of people that are willing to get violent over the thought of women being equal to men?
 
True, all you can use against a white guy is threatening to kill him, or his family, or any other sort of vile. Clearly not as bad though...
I think the point is that it's less likely for someone to be specifically targeted for being white or for being a man, not that being a white man makes you immune to harassment.
 
Abortion? Very much.

No, I don't think so. I don't consider myself a feminist and I am very much pro-choice. It's not a mens or women's right issue. It's a human's rights issue, much like the government forcing someone to get cancer treatments or preventing someone from ending their life. I don't like how feminists claim it as their issue even if it's women having the babies.
 
I think the point is that it's less likely for someone to be specifically targeted for being white or for being a man, not that being a white man makes you immune to harassment.

That and the simple reality that white men do not represent an oppressed group in any kind of recent history. Threats against men are bad because they're threats. Threats against women are bad because frequently they aren't just threats but parts of the larger culture of marginalization.
 
True, all you can use against a white guy is threatening to kill him, or his family, or any other sort of vile. Clearly not as bad though...

Sorry, but, it isn't.

I'm a tumblr user. I've been one since I was sixteen. Until very recently, death threats and anonymous hate-messages were really common on that site. I was harassed, anonymous and publicly, by people from every side of the social justice spectrum for disagreeing with their opinions. A lot of this hatred was for really petty reasons. I remember once being told to kill myself because I disliked a Legend of Korra fan-pairing.

But never once was I attacked specifically for my race or my gender, and only rarely did people harass me for my appearance. As a white guy, this doesn't just factor in. Attacks about race or gender aren't inherently worse than any other vitriol, but they reinforce the bitter reality that women and minorities will always be hounded for the fact that they are not white men. Gendered and racialized hatred cuts a lot deeper.
 
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