while action rpgs are not full action games it's not even fair to complain about how you have to put your other members on AI control. it's going to be limited at a base physical level. There's only so much you can control off a controller. this is like the definition of man yelling at clouds.
FF7 remake's latest staff interviews (contains some info on multi-release plan)
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while action rpgs are not full action games it's not even fair to complain about how you have to put your other members on AI control. it's going to be limited at a base physical level. There's only so much you can control off a controller. this is like the definition of man yelling at clouds.
KZObsessed
Member
If making it episodic gets us more content then I'm all for it I guess. We'll get to play it sooner too.
Okay, this makes the episodic thing an understandable choice. They're afraid that making the game as one lump thing would force too much to be cut, so this is basically their compromise. Hmmm, okay. It's interesting they say that but then say they're also adding things in, I'm assuming to fill in the gaps that the omissions left.
Loudninja, you're right on the money. This could've EASILY been like FFversusXIII/FFXV with large gaps of nothing between pathetic updates and non answers. We should be thankful for that much at least.
Loudninja, you're right on the money. This could've EASILY been like FFversusXIII/FFXV with large gaps of nothing between pathetic updates and non answers. We should be thankful for that much at least.
As I said before they could have shitted out this game if they wanted to and it still could have performed decently.
BlazingDarkness
Member
Interesting, Verendus was on point
Dark_castle
Junior Member
Cut some minor, the entire fucking world map, amirite Square?
Highwind is now changed to menu selection too yes? Like in FFX.
Highwind is now changed to menu selection too yes? Like in FFX.
And with a world that most of us like even better.
If you mean that square could cause a trend of episodic games, then I wouldn't necessarily call it a problem. Many great games including RPGs are episodic like Trails in the Sky for example.
I don't know why this is forgotten.
I think most people's concern comes from the world map, etc...
What's wrong with XV, it's still an RPG.
Presumably, the AI will fill in attacks ala XV, until you possibly go in for LBs and magic.
It seemed like a no-brainer when I watched it.
To think you're just going to have two people stand still until you go through their menu and press Attack, Item, Magic etc. seems like it wouldn't make sense.
Yeah FF15 reach a good point after so long atleast it looks like they are tring to avoid the same mistakes
True guess we have the wait on that.
Crash Station
Member
Do I not have the right to be upset when I feel features are being taken away, especially after anticipating them remaining for the decade and a half I've been wishing for this game? I didn't need straight up static row ATB like OG FF7, but I had pretty high hopes for an evolution the likes we saw with FFX-2 or Grandia.
And I'm definitely not the only old man yelling at a cloud here.
BlazingDarkness
Member
Lol ok.
They'll probably remove the world map and instead give us a world like XV/Xenoblade X to explore.
ZeroTheShadow
Member
Still need to know more about the combat. I'll reserve judgement till I know exactly what it is going to be like. Right now I'm getting a FFXII vibe which has me not too optimistic.
TheGreatDirector
Banned
Sounds like the optimal thing to do in my opinion.
it's an entirely new combat system. how are features being taken away when the soul of the combat system is not even the same.
BlazingDarkness
Member
Just imagine running around and then seeing a Weapon on the landscape
Scrooge McDuck
Member
I understand that you are playing the expectation-tempering game, but there has got to be a way to do that without sounding like bitter conclusion-jumper.
Um..
I hope people realize that a properly scaled world like XV/Witcher 3 is infinitely more difficult to properly make than a top down-view overworld ?
I'd consider that top down world map a compromise actually.
Just imagine running around and then seeing a Weapon on the landscape
If they manage that. I don't know what i'd do.
I REALLY want to see Ruby Weapon chilling in the sand by the Gold Saucer
CherryIcee
Member
I'm yelling at a Cloud too.
Crash Station
Member
I was hoping for aesthetic means of covering up the fact no actions were happening, like skirmishes in the background without any damage being done.
And whether it makes sense or not, it still made up a big part of FF7 for me, and to see it ripped out is incredibly disappointing for me.
KZXcellent
Member
People wanted an evolution of ATB, and instead we're getting a new Action-Oriented style. To the people who are made about this, to them it's Square-Enix taking away the combat system they liked.
I personally don't care and welcome the new system with excitement, but I do understand purists frustration.
Aeternus Malum
Member
Advent Children models 100 years old?
How does time work in final fantasy?!?
How does time work in final fantasy?!?
Dark_castle
Junior Member
I don't know how they could have one huge, connected world that can be explored if it's hard split into different episodes.
Maybe have something like a top down view of Cloud running around on a more detailed world map like in the original game?
seems to me like people are complaining because it's not using ff7's original combat system period.
DXLelouch153
Banned
maybe this will also lead to a sequel
unlike 13 i would love more FF7 games
unlike 13 i would love more FF7 games
BlazingDarkness
Member
No don't misunderstand me, I agree.
But I think this is what SE will do, which partly explains why the remake is going to be so freaking huge.
Crash Station
Member
You could argue that too, but that doesn't change the fact it was changed and not evolved like I and many other people were hoping. It being a sidestep and not an advancement isn't really what I want out of a remake.
Just imagine running around and then seeing a Weapon on the landscape
That would be amazing. If they make it on a scale like Xenoblade and FF XV, and then you see this massive thing off in the distance...wow.
xaosslug
Member
good luck w/ that XD
Yeah. A lot of people, myself included, are going to be a bit dismayed for a while until we get more clarity about what this project is gonna look like. They may not even know with certainty.
BlazingDarkness
Member
Well even in past FF games, the world map is always split up in terms of where you can explore. They only usually open up fully towards the end with an airship, so there's no reason why they can't take a similar approach and have certain parts unnacessible until the final episode.
DXLelouch153
Banned
i wouldnt mind if the world map was like X those areas are beautiful
KZXcellent
Member
Yeah, basically. I do feel for em though.
Scrooge McDuck
Member
As a rough example.
Episode I: Midgar to Junon. You would only be able explore one continent. Just like the original game.
Episode II: Costa Del Sol to Rocket Town. Another continent is added to explore. Just like the original game.
Episode III: Wutai - Nothern Crater. The rest of the map opens up and you'd finally be able to explore everywhere with Highwind. Just like the original game.
Each episode should divided into story arcs.
Episode 1 would be up to the end of Midgard arc and Midgard would be fully expanded and explorable.
Episode 2 should end at the death of Aerith and the end of disc 1.
Episode 3 should end after the first fight with Weapon and Cloud's return.
Episode 4 would be the return to Midgard return to North Crater plus end game extra stuff.
Episode 1 would be up to the end of Midgard arc and Midgard would be fully expanded and explorable.
Episode 2 should end at the death of Aerith and the end of disc 1.
Episode 3 should end after the first fight with Weapon and Cloud's return.
Episode 4 would be the return to Midgard return to North Crater plus end game extra stuff.
Fingers crossed.
BlazingDarkness
Member
Yup.
But instead of a world map it may be fully realised areas. It would be amazing.
Crash Station
Member
Do you really think there's no way to evolve it without it being "boring old FF7 combat"? Minor positioning elements, dynamic camera angles, background actions that are there purely for aesthetic purposes, maybe even some environmental factors. X-2 was the last time we saw an evolution of ATB that didn't remove features. I had hoped now would be another chance to innovate and maybe even help revitalize interest in the genre.
To me, full party control was always a core part of the combat and should have been untouchable.
KZXcellent
Member
Honestly don't care if there's a World Map. I think FFX did it fine.
KoopaTheCasual
Junior Member
Sure seemed to work back in 1997.
Edit: This concern over no exploration/world map is so weird and baseless.
xaosslug
Member
well, you will probably be required to download all episodes to your console regardless of physical media... and perhaps there will be patches that link them, somehow?
expecting full party control from an action-based rpg is a mediocre thought regardless of whether you wanted the game to be an evolution of the atb system or not.
DXLelouch153
Banned
i like both turn based and action rpg combat
im adaptable
im adaptable