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It's not confirmed.
Combofiend loved SFxT.
ThatCrazyGuy
Member
KOF is 70% off on PSN and i want to get it but there are another 50 fighting games coming out in the next month or so that i also need to ignore when Tekken drops
So tough
Which KOF? 14?
Karsticles
Member
You can't have pushblock in a 1v1 game like this, lol.
Spuck-uk
Banned
Just insert any sort of gif of mocking laughter right here.
Then get your eyes tested.
Wonder if they'll have a GG style faultless defense system.
But yeah, in 1 on 1 fights I imagine that it can be a problem. Can you imagine Haggar having to chase Doom?
lucebuce12
Member
That's assuming any of the X-Men or Fantastic Four characters are there at launch.
Or at all.
Or at all.
ZeroTheShadow
Member
He makes a valid point. If you could just push block in a game with not assists the neutral would be hella weird. Characters would engage and the be bounced full screen away. That would also favor zoners immensely. I could see push block being there as some sort of thing like alpha counters that requires meter but implemented like it was in Marvel's of old, no way.
It's more about showing an extreme scenario and how difficult it would be to overcome in this game.
shaowebb
Member
I dont really agree with Advancing Guard not being good for this game. Marvel has had some cast that have some LARGE attacks and some pretty substantial forward movement on their attacks as well. Its not like super footsie titles of the past. Normals in Marvel are sometimes as loud and flashy as specials. Without pushblock in Marvel I could see some rough stuff happening.
I agree though that I could see them sidestepping for alpha counters or some sort of tool that takes meter. Or possibly some feature with gems. Their needs to be a way to combat pressure defensively in Marvel IMO. Offense is just to aggressive with or without wavedashes and assists and you need a way to make space or you could get into some jailing situations. Just imagine someone like Zero cornering you without a pushblock or alpha counter....*shudder*
Was it a problem in Darkstalkers?
shaowebb
Member
Darkstalkers was awesome. The amount of pushback was relative to the strength of the button used.
Darkstalkers proved a point though about pushblock. Whether or not a fighter needs it is relative to the amount of space attacks tend to take up, the amount of time attacks can linger on screen and the amount of forward movement possible from offense. Darkstalkers saw that it sure as hell wasn't punch kicking its way to combat like SF did and its attacks were very very loud and visual. Lots of lingering attacks, huge moves, and lots of forward progressing attacks. In a game like that you could get pinned down for a long spell easily by offense if you didn't have the means to make space. But it also saw that if you had a set pushblock distance you could just force yourself back into distance that favors some cast. This way you could control the distance you pushed folks so you could attempt to capitolize with the option that fit the space you made.
Darkstalkers pushblocking would be great for this game honestly.
Thomasorus
Member
Except the pushblock in DS requires a bit of execution and we saw what capcom thinks about it.
shaowebb
Member
Yeah, the name of this game is definitely "Lower execution". I wouldn't be surprised if your defensive tools to reverse, counter, or pushblock were tied to your gem and meter honestly. They're gonna need something to handle the moveset in this series.
ColonialHawk
Member
Hmm down, down...
Yeah im not sure about this
Yeah im not sure about this
DryEyeRelief
Member
if you like 3d fighting games you can't say it's a golden age.
don't be silly. there are 3 3D fighting games releasing over the next like 4 months.
ShadowSoldier89
Member
fix yours. DOA characters are far higher polygon and have higher resolution textures (and just straight up better skin textures). This has nothing to do with design either, just model quality
A Pretty Panda
fuckin' called it, man
Spuck-uk
Banned
The above is literally untrue.
vs
I can literally count the polygons in her shoulders. Sorry about your terrible waifu simulator.
edit: Also the lighting in DoA is shit as well.
Lostconfused
Member
There is still more than 2 months until Gundam Vs, gotta pass the time somehow.
sixteen-bit
Member
On no planet does DOA5 look better than T7. It's a gen7 game FFS.
IntelliHeath
As in "Heathcliff"
Yep, and word, advanced guard popped up when you do it.
RockTurtle
Member
cheesecake has a powerful effect on the psyche
ShadowSoldier89
Member
you are right about the lighting.
and @sixteen-bit for the 3rd time Im purely talking models. DOA5 is not a better looking game.
Tekken 7 poly count IS LOWER. I wish I had the screenshots of the wireframe models handy
Kazuma's ear here is bad. The chromatic aberration hides it in other places in the worst ways. (PC version with proper antialiasing will fix that). Theres also quite a bit of dithering on the alpha effect for the hair
Chloe's paw has low resolution textures and low polygon count with weird morphing.
They arent bad by any means. They just arent very impressive either. It is still the better looking game overall thanks to much better lighting, effects, and backgrounds. There is also more detail in most of the designs.
EDIT: DOA poly count is really high
Also does look like Namco upped the texture resolution for console release. Looks a lot better than when I played in the arcade
shaowebb
Member
Somebody put up a vidme link to the removed mvci gameplay trailer. Stones look like they come out at the same time as your attack moves just like assists and have effects that last awhile. I think when one activated a beam fires then it locked someone in a cube to fight your pressure.
If stone activation is an attack then a long instance of something else then it's kind of like one assist per match to setup a single massive setup to use it's abilities.
If this is right this could be pretty cool.
One thing for certain is in... you can tag out to setup highlows or left right mixups because you can tag some one in on the ground while in the air. There are two character setups in this manner...Strider does this in the vid. This is a big step toward mitigating the assist loss issue for me.
If stone activation is an attack then a long instance of something else then it's kind of like one assist per match to setup a single massive setup to use it's abilities.
If this is right this could be pretty cool.
One thing for certain is in... you can tag out to setup highlows or left right mixups because you can tag some one in on the ground while in the air. There are two character setups in this manner...Strider does this in the vid. This is a big step toward mitigating the assist loss issue for me.
notworksafe
Member
ouroboros is 1 meter
Well, gameplay is out and pushblock is in, soooo
shaowebb
Member
Someone spotted a counter icon from the marvel vid. We may have breakers. I'm stoked. Now it is tvc2.
I am now super pumped.
https://vid.me/EV6z
I am now super pumped.
https://vid.me/EV6z
sixteen-bit
Member
MvC:I being TvC2 makes me sad that there is no TvC2
Indeed
The easter sale
Unfortunately it ended just 4hrs ago.
Maybe someone in this thread should have been kind enough to tell when i was knocked out -_-
Spuck-uk
Banned
No, I get your point, and you're still wrong even now you're walking back to just polygons.
That Helena model is ~20000 polygons, the same polycount as characters in Tekken SIX.
UE4 characters can happily be 150,000 polygons plus (Ryse being the first search result that comes to mind, a years older game than Tekken 7 with more characters on screen.)
So you're wrong.
Karsticles
Member
SixMachine
Member
I never actually got to learn TVC but watching high level play, the assist part of the game did seem kind of bland compared to other VS games. It seemed like it was more for combo extension than neutral. They did throw some out in neutral, but it seemed like it was more of like a poke than the shenanigans that can be done in other games.
Spuck-uk
Banned
Hrm.
Tekken 7 is unavailable for pre-order on Amazon now. (The standard, not the collectors)
Also looking into the NJPW dlc, it seems like that was a limited time thing for the arcade? That makes me think we won't get to make it rain.
Harada was asked about it, and said he was working with NJPW to try and make it happen, so there's a chance.
I mean, free advertising for NJPWs fastest growing market seems like a good deal, right?
Karsticles
Member
That feeling when you finish your MA last night and then wake up to find out your favorite game franchise isn't ruined.
It's a good day God damn it.
It's a good day God damn it.
it does, and they seem to be doing all the right things to grow their US base.
CommandThrower
Member
I think I like what I saw in the MvC:I gameplay video, but I still need that mechanics infodump.
Hype levels increasing ever so slightly.
Hype levels increasing ever so slightly.
notworksafe
Member
game is still fucking ugly though
sixteen-bit
Member
hopefully PC modders fix it.