CommandThrower
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I'll believe that when I see the actual movelist.
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I'll believe that when I see the actual movelist.
Punk gonna dominate
notworksafe
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i've heard that too so now that a second person is saying it, RIP
notworksafe
Member
all my hokan u2 practice gonna come in handy now
Reverse DPs have never been a problem in any Marvel game. Not classic or modern, not in XMvsSF or TvC.
Offense in these games are usually so crazy that I almost wish there was a real reverse DP that people could pull off to reset pressure.
Hitbox master race gonna dominate?
Reverse DP as in 421 motion. Like Spider Man's Web Swing. This change means we can't have both SRK and reverse SRK motion moves in the game anymore.
MegamanXZero
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Cosmo Clock 21
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When is Riot going to announce their fighting game
shaowebb
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That actually wouldn't be bad. Down+Down motions are not only simple, but the crouching of the first input can be buffered to simply bait jump ins into AA. Plus Down+Down motions can't be reversed by teleporters boppin around trying to pull shenanigans and force you to input the wrong move.
EDIT: Oh hey this means I get my wish if Spiderman is in! No DP motion in the air for spidey swing is great. I can down+down that easily enough.
Lostconfused
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We Akatsuki Blitzkampf now?
You forget it's blond fighter V
His super " this opportunity comes once in a life time"
shaowebb
Member
I WISH.
Professor Beef
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That's not something that has ever been exclusive to Capcom.
Yep
There are a lot of complaints about capcom in the Marvel thread you can just remove capcom and put SEGA and it would fit just fine
sixteen-bit
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Fuck man, I miss the Dogface Show
worth a rewatch
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d-SCEcK383A&list=PLWIlWGRXaZktOQO794C2nQxIVS3MU1Ook
It's been around forever but you can really see it right now. But the thing with Sega is that back then even though the U.S and Japanese offices were headbutting each other, Sega still produced an incredible amount of great games. Right now Capcom is like bad game, good game, bad game, bad game, great game, bad game, etc. You don't know what you are going to get with them.
MegamanXZero
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Yeah, I actually found those as well a while ago. But I wish the other ones were also still viewable.
Too bad Dogface isn't part of the FGC anymore, he was a talented commentator and interviewer.
KidA Seven
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Thought SFV would be the perfect answer to that question. Casuals aren't afraid of speed, inputs, etc... compared to shitty graphics, lack of content, shit online, and perceived sketchy business practice.
"God's Beard!"
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SFV is a mess and RE7 is a masterpiece. It's weird.
Holy Order Sol
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probably one of the biggest issues with them
same, tbh. it's not like it's easier (i still miss Jack-o's house drops (._. )) but you'll never get fireball or super by mistake.
SixMachine
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Calling it now, but even with D, D + input motion people are gonna mess it up. It's not as simple as you think because people hit down a lot of times during movement and defense. A lot of accidental inputs are going to happen and even execution in combos people will still flub it, because something like walk forward dp will actually be less intuitive than the original frowawrd + fireball motion. D, D is used in a lot of games, people get accidental charges with Jam in Guilty Gear for example, and stomp combos with Kim in KOF take practice to land.
From what we know of the controls with simplified inputs and less buttons, it reminds me sort of like Persona 4 Arena. DPs were only 2 buttons in that game, no srk motion, and there were even auto combos in it. The game also had a generous input buffer and yet people are still gonna flub crap. The hardest part about a combo in a match is the conversion and thinking about the branch to go down on the fly. Also dps being a D,D motion will also basically be auto corrects, but thinking about it, I think it is less big of a deal in the Vs. than we will think. Crossups were still a huge thing even in P4A with 2 button dps and the risk/reward definitely is still in favor of the attacker. With Ryu or Akuma, would you really fear his dp that much in a Vs. game? It's not like he gets a huge conversion off it (sans x-factor) and the most than can get is going into super, but if they whiff or block they would need to spend something to not die.
The loss of assists will definitely have less extensions and reset opportunities compared to UMVC3, but it makes me wonder about other gameplay mechanics are present and how tag team will work. Like will they have something like the variable cross back like MVC1, except less crazy (unlimited supers for a time was just insane), since that can open up a lot of opportunities.
But anyways, we really don't know much about how the game will come together with its mechanics, but I think dp being D,D is overblown since it is something that isn't the end all be all to the depth and complexity of the game, and there are tons of things to keep an eye for like system and character mechanics.
From what we know of the controls with simplified inputs and less buttons, it reminds me sort of like Persona 4 Arena. DPs were only 2 buttons in that game, no srk motion, and there were even auto combos in it. The game also had a generous input buffer and yet people are still gonna flub crap. The hardest part about a combo in a match is the conversion and thinking about the branch to go down on the fly. Also dps being a D,D motion will also basically be auto corrects, but thinking about it, I think it is less big of a deal in the Vs. than we will think. Crossups were still a huge thing even in P4A with 2 button dps and the risk/reward definitely is still in favor of the attacker. With Ryu or Akuma, would you really fear his dp that much in a Vs. game? It's not like he gets a huge conversion off it (sans x-factor) and the most than can get is going into super, but if they whiff or block they would need to spend something to not die.
The loss of assists will definitely have less extensions and reset opportunities compared to UMVC3, but it makes me wonder about other gameplay mechanics are present and how tag team will work. Like will they have something like the variable cross back like MVC1, except less crazy (unlimited supers for a time was just insane), since that can open up a lot of opportunities.
But anyways, we really don't know much about how the game will come together with its mechanics, but I think dp being D,D is overblown since it is something that isn't the end all be all to the depth and complexity of the game, and there are tons of things to keep an eye for like system and character mechanics.
It has implications though. Removing the dp motion means removing reverse dp motions. That limits the amount of inputs you can map stuff to, which limits or even changes move sets, and potentially gameplay styles to a lesser degree.
Look at characters like Strider, for example. (Someone else pointed him out, but its a good example.)
I find that interesting to think about, and a bit worrisome.
SixMachine
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The funny thing with Strider, even back in MVC 2 days didn't people want his inputs to be simpler? People made fun of accidental wall clings and that shit would happen with Ouroboros out. So people had to have accurate inputs or else they can easily mess up with him.
They would need to change things around for him since he has quite the movelist. I wonder what if they actually do something crazy and make it a BB control scheme, A B C and the D button for special stuff. Since iirc Ryce did mention D,D was just the start.
They would need to change things around for him since he has quite the movelist. I wonder what if they actually do something crazy and make it a BB control scheme, A B C and the D button for special stuff. Since iirc Ryce did mention D,D was just the start.
Just saw the Mahvel trailer.
... Man, KoF 14 is looking pretty good right now. I finished Persona 5 yesterday, what the hell, let me boot up KoF 14 and get this DLC real quick.
Yeah, but Jack-O's down downs were just to place houses and keyboard. And I guess she has a pretty simple Super too. Jack-O would be my bae forever if she had a DP with just down down.
... Man, KoF 14 is looking pretty good right now. I finished Persona 5 yesterday, what the hell, let me boot up KoF 14 and get this DLC real quick.
Yeah, but Jack-O's down downs were just to place houses and keyboard. And I guess she has a pretty simple Super too. Jack-O would be my bae forever if she had a DP with just down down.
SixMachine
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Isn't her DP just Down + D? It costs 25 meter, but I think you can do a slower version when you are out of meter.
Holy Order Sol
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MikeZ and Sirlin probably fully erect right now
Why do you want more bad fighting games?
He wants to usher in the darkest timeline
Oh right, I forgot she had that. It was always tricky for me to use since it goes straight up.
ZeroTheShadow
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This is like fucking Weekend at Bernie's with Combofiend & Ono parading around Marvel's corpse pretending it's alive. Marvel is dead guys. I'm sorry.
