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Third episode of Tekken Strike is up on youtube (group C).
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RSasfWR_5_4
Players:
●BOHEE : STEVE / MIGUEL
● BIGOO : RAVEN / LEI
●CHANEL : ALISA / YOSHIMITSU / JAYCEE
●WOORUSA : KUMA / PANDA
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RSasfWR_5_4
Players:
●BOHEE : STEVE / MIGUEL
● BIGOO : RAVEN / LEI
●CHANEL : ALISA / YOSHIMITSU / JAYCEE
●WOORUSA : KUMA / PANDA
Veggy
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Even if every Tekken character does have 100+ moves, no one uses every single move
Pretty much every character has a top 10 move set, and then probably another 10-20 situational moves
Paul can be played competitively with less than 10 moves in fact (jabs, d/f+1, d/f+2, demo man, deathfist, SWY+4, SWY+2, SS+3, hopkick)
That's less than 10 moves, anything else is situational like d+1+2/b+1,2 for 12f punish, b+3 for 14f punish, etc
Tekken isn't as hard as people are making it out to be, with time and effort even new players can become good players within 4-6 months, probably even sooner if they have a strong local scene. Is that time frame any longer than SF4 or Mahvel?
Last time Namco tried something different with Tekken we ended up with T4, the series does kind of need a reboot though just better hope they don't mess it up like they did with T4
Pretty much every character has a top 10 move set, and then probably another 10-20 situational moves
Paul can be played competitively with less than 10 moves in fact (jabs, d/f+1, d/f+2, demo man, deathfist, SWY+4, SWY+2, SS+3, hopkick)
That's less than 10 moves, anything else is situational like d+1+2/b+1,2 for 12f punish, b+3 for 14f punish, etc
Tekken isn't as hard as people are making it out to be, with time and effort even new players can become good players within 4-6 months, probably even sooner if they have a strong local scene. Is that time frame any longer than SF4 or Mahvel?
Last time Namco tried something different with Tekken we ended up with T4, the series does kind of need a reboot though just better hope they don't mess it up like they did with T4
irfaanator
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Yea I've been trying to get into tekken, but for me the hardest part is getting down the movements that it has. Pretty much dash canceling all the time is killing me.
AnkiRendan
Member
DEATH;60539485 said:
Shin fans are fucking morons and I'm sure they're a tiny, vocal minority. Sorry for the strong language but I watched that Tekken movie on 3DS and it just made me so angry thinking about how shitty it was. I have no idea why people are campaigning for a character that had a sole purpose in dying by Heihachi's hand--QUICKLY at that.
A new player starting out in Tekken is going to try out all the moves first himself before even getting into the application of a move. Without playing they will never figure out which moves to use the most, this stuff comes from experience. Only if they look at a guide or get some advice will they narrow their movelist... that process done by yourself will take forever.
When I played Yoshimitsu for the first time I did all these gimmick moves like f, f + 3 + 4, QCF + 1 because they looked cool, were unblockable or did loads of damage. It took me a really long time to realize that simpler moves like d/f+4 were way more effective and usable. No one tought me this, I didn't go online to figure it out.
While we have more resources now to learn the game it still doesn't excuse the existence of so many situational moves in the game. Yea Tekken is not hard to learn once you know which moves to use and which combos to perform but that is a big part of the game's learning curve. Its sort of like Ninja Gaiden in that regard.
And yea killing off characters or changing them too much (like Jin) causes a shitstorm in Tekken. No matter how terrible a character there is someone who would scream hard to get the character in the game and threaten boycotting the game over it. I mean do we really fucking need Angel in the game? No but some asshat fanboy is going to spam message forums to get the character in the game.
The funny part is that even when all the characters were put into a single game, these "fans" were no where to be found. Bunch of no good whiners, they deserve to have their shitty characters killed off and kept dead.
When I played Yoshimitsu for the first time I did all these gimmick moves like f, f + 3 + 4, QCF + 1 because they looked cool, were unblockable or did loads of damage. It took me a really long time to realize that simpler moves like d/f+4 were way more effective and usable. No one tought me this, I didn't go online to figure it out.
While we have more resources now to learn the game it still doesn't excuse the existence of so many situational moves in the game. Yea Tekken is not hard to learn once you know which moves to use and which combos to perform but that is a big part of the game's learning curve. Its sort of like Ninja Gaiden in that regard.
And yea killing off characters or changing them too much (like Jin) causes a shitstorm in Tekken. No matter how terrible a character there is someone who would scream hard to get the character in the game and threaten boycotting the game over it. I mean do we really fucking need Angel in the game? No but some asshat fanboy is going to spam message forums to get the character in the game.
The funny part is that even when all the characters were put into a single game, these "fans" were no where to be found. Bunch of no good whiners, they deserve to have their shitty characters killed off and kept dead.
Veggy
Member
I would learn the basics first before moving onto backdash cancelling dude
Check out some character guides for whoever you are interested in, learn their good moves and learn how to apply them, work on your mixup game and basic juggles, learn to whiff punish/block punish, etc
When you get your basics down and you are comfortable with it then you can move on to harder stuff like movement, throw breaking, extensive juggling, stage awareness, etc
I don't know why but a lot of new players seem to try to learn the movement system first instead of the basics, damn our Korean Overlords for making backdash cancelling look so awesome!
Admit it or not, they are at large... as much as it was ridiculous... Same thing happened with Jun and Kuni, the problem is harada and the tekkn team listens and cares so much that they release jun and kuni and became awesome in their own right that justifies their slot at the roster...
Speaking of which...
1. TTT2 Xbox already got more than a million downloads at piratebay AT LAUNCH. Online passes won't mean a thing as people unlocked the dlcs anyway...
2. TTT2 came out along with Borderlands 2, Sleeping Dogs and DOA5... for it to do what it did was amazing... (which is why I wanted it to come out in december, but most of us were impatient and harada listens...
Gonna explain some things later... but the large movelist aint large... if you got the same throws registered as 4 moves, and stance transitions registered as another, thrown all in one movelist, it will look like a mess... many newcomers that realize how the limb based system works cam have a idea what notation a move has even when they don't see it before and everything suddenly clicks...
Flying Wonkey
Member
I nominate Harada for sainthood. Any lesser man would have gone the way of Anders Breivik.
Shouta
Member
Looking up VF5 stuff. Is df df a common motion? Isn't it hard to do that on pad?
Also this was a still from the video I saw
I have no problems with df df on a Dualshock in VF5
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Characters that should be removed from Tekken:
Alex or Roger Jr
Angel
Fat Bob (buff Bob becomes standard)
Violet
Miharu
Unknown
One of either Mokujin or Combot (unless its a tag game in which case their existence doesn't matter much)
Panda
P.Jack
Tiger Jackson
Jinpachi
Michelle Chang
Sebastian
I am 90% sure these characters will be removed in a standard 1v1 Tekken game anyway. The only reason why any of these characters exist is so you can get away with playing two of the same characters.
If you like any of these characters then you are part of the problem!
Characters that should be removed from Tekken:
Alex or Roger Jr
Angel
Fat Bob (buff Bob becomes standard)
Violet
Miharu
Unknown
One of either Mokujin or Combot (unless its a tag game in which case their existence doesn't matter much)
Panda
P.Jack
Tiger Jackson
Jinpachi
Michelle Chang
Sebastian
I am 90% sure these characters will be removed in a standard 1v1 Tekken game anyway. The only reason why any of these characters exist is so you can get away with playing two of the same characters.
If you like any of these characters then you are part of the problem!
GTFO, Jinpachi is awesome and not a clone at all.
I disagree with these two, they're classic Tekken characters IMO. The rest of them I would have no problem removing.
Veggy
Member
I prefer fat Bob to Slim Bob personally lol, but yeah I'd be ok with them taking out the rest of your list. Would be hard to bring back Jinpachi in T7 due to story reasons........wait.....it's Tekken story.....scratch that, he can come back
If anything they could make them palette swaps like they did before (Ling/Miharu, Eddy/Tiger, Kuma/Panda, Julia/Michelle, etc) to keep the fans happy
I just don't get Shin fans, that guy had like.....2 minutes of screen time?
If anything they could make them palette swaps like they did before (Ling/Miharu, Eddy/Tiger, Kuma/Panda, Julia/Michelle, etc) to keep the fans happy
I just don't get Shin fans, that guy had like.....2 minutes of screen time?
KingItachi
Member
Same here love the Ds 2 pad.
Karsticles
Member
The "Shin fan" thing always happens, and it's always some weird subset that wants the character's continued inclusion for the sake of hilarity. It's like they don't get that it's a bad joke and keep telling it. Just like the green biker from MMX...a small base of people wanted him in MvC3.
I'm fine with removing clones or better yet, making them palette swaps. But Jinpachi? naaaaaaaaah. Especially not Jinpachi. He is a very unique character not to mention very beginner friendly. It's not just a small number of people that play him. A LOT of people play him in both US and Asia. Losing him would not be good. Angel may also seem like a clone but she is quite different from the devils regardless and can be evolved into a better character in future Tekkens. She's not really that popular, though. Only seen a very small number of people use her. Kane is the only high level player coming to mind and even he's apparently quitting Tekken.
Veggy
Member
The main reason I can't see Jinpachi coming back is because Namco didn't bring back Ogre after T3/TTT1 even though he was such a popular character (competitively) until TTT2
Hopefully they do bring him back though......and OGRE! (Ancient Ogre)
They need to keep Jaycee also, much prefer her to normal Julia
Hopefully they do bring him back though......and OGRE! (Ancient Ogre)
They need to keep Jaycee also, much prefer her to normal Julia
Ogre was barely his own character, most of his movelist was taken from other characters. Jinpachi on the other hand...
Hey guys I was looking for a certain match. Pretty sure it was in Long Island fighting for some kind of belt. It was a Shuma player vs Moons I think. Match was damn hype and went to the wire.
Edit found it: http://youtu.be/5Xr-aemMZ60
Edit found it: http://youtu.be/5Xr-aemMZ60
See Xian play AE with random characters against other Singaporean players.
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Everything this post says.
They are classic clones ie. its about time they stop taking up character slots. Panda and Alex should be nothing more skins/palette swaps for Kuma and Roger.
On Jinpachi that was a hard pick but man there are way too many Mishimas in the game already. They should just give some moves of Jinpachi to Heihachi when he goes super saiyan or something lol.
Ok, I agree with that then, having them as alt skins would be fine.
EDIT:
Yeah, same thing back in Tekken 3 iirc.
Keep Bob the way he is, just design him to fight more like what he was supposed to be like:
Less Mishima style, more badass Sammo Hung style.
About Miharu.... her FC,d/f+4 makes her better than Xiaoyu. But alas, Xiaoyu has the california roll. Keep one of them, and give that one every tool.
Keep Panda as the 2P outfit of Kuma.
But oh well... honestly I love the vast amount of characters in Tekken. Talking about killing them off makes me sad.
Just make a new IP Namco.
Less Mishima style, more badass Sammo Hung style.
About Miharu.... her FC,d/f+4 makes her better than Xiaoyu. But alas, Xiaoyu has the california roll. Keep one of them, and give that one every tool.
Keep Panda as the 2P outfit of Kuma.
But oh well... honestly I love the vast amount of characters in Tekken. Talking about killing them off makes me sad.
Just make a new IP Namco.A Pretty Panda
fuckin' called it, man
If he's supposed to be Sammo Hung why is he a white guy? God it's 21 all over again.
Thats wrong... Soulcalibur V gets more entries than MK9 at almost every major. SC5 still gets more entries than a lot of games. So why do people think SC5 is dead?
Because of something I've said many times... the strength of a game is not in how many people show up for majors, its how many people show up for LOCALs. Also one of the reasons why I say the FGC is dying, because even though the majors are getting bigger, all the locals are getting smaller.
SC5 doesn't have locals anymore. Also, Namco never cared as much about Soulcalibur as they do Tekken. If SC5 had the same amount of advertising that Tekken had, I think it would still be big to this day.
SloaneRisette
Member
This is already great. Not as great as Floe's, but great nonetheless.
He might share their blood and fondness for headbutts but he doesn't really play like a Mishima.
Also did I mention he's awesome?
I have to agree on this one- as much as I rag on SC5, it isn't a fundamentally bad game. It has some stupid shit and some poor decisions, but the core game is good.
Usually the FGC dies down at the end of console gens and the beginning of next gen until a big title comes out. SC6 would be a good idea for Namco in late 2014/early 2015, they just need to not kill off popular characters due to lack of budget.
As for Tekken, if they don't kill off characters- they're going to have to cut movelists hard like they did in SC5 so folks can remember things. I think that might be worse.
Cosmo Clock 21
Banned
didn't know that, since I don't watch MK. Wonder why Sc5 didn't make the Evo cut. Any inside info?
ThatCrazyGuy
Member
I love SC5!
Duxxy3
Member
I've had it on since I woke up.
MK was surviving very well in pockets such as Chicago/Philly. MK also did well at NEC, which probably was the tiebreaker. I don't think it was any illuminati conspiracy.
It was the wrong choice in hindsight. I think SC5 would be stronger now if it was an Evo game instead of MK.
SolarPowered
Member
The same could be said for any game.
it certainly would have mixed things up more. Instead we have MK and Injustice. ohwell.
Passive Assassin
Member
Kazunoko dying for our sins.
So true. I can never get SCV going in the city, despite carting out a copy to weeklies and being "Yo. Want to play SCV?"
I think the problem is that it suffers a bit in the sense that 3D players would rather just play their own 3D games, and 2D-exclusive players shy away from it by default. Obviously this isn't the case across the board, but despite being one of the easier games to pick up, IMO, there's a staggering amount of players in my community who just never learned the game, and don't want to, their plates are full, and the thought of moving from 2D to 3D petrifies them.
Passive Assassin
Member
Kazunoko pls.
Yeah, I don't know what I'll do without him in the next Tkkken. TT2 is the first tekken I took serious and it will suck having to let him go when the next Tekken comes, he's a very fun character. And yeah he plays nothing like a Mishima, even though some of his moves look visually similar.
Zero Reputation
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You guys are all crazy Tekken isn't that hard.