BewareTheBatsie
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No boring soldier guy means A+ movie already.
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Filming begins on Godzilla 2, synopsis and cast revealed
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Geno Breaker
Banned
G14, Kong, and Shin Godzilla were all financially successful for their distributors, both domestically and worldwide. Giant monster movies aren't going anywhere unless Toho or Legendary flood the market with shit.
Doctor Decimate
Member
have you guys ever watched a Godzilla movie before
balladofwindfishes
Member
Just like the fictional monster, the Godzilla franchise literally cannot die.
Toho had 14 cents in their bank account and they managed to cobble together enough stock footage to make like 5 movies.
Yep I need my Mothra song and the twins. I dont see it happening atleast not the twins.
Geno Breaker
Banned
I'd say as whole most people on GAF haven't outside of G14 or the awful 1998 version. We don't even have a Godzilla or a "kaiju" OT. I recognize almost all of the fans just based on their avatar alone and how often they pop up in Godzilla threads lol.
Speaking of a Godzilla OT, would anybody be down to help me make one? I definitely feel like we could get a really good source of information for any gaffers interested in the series.
CheeseConey
Member
A Godzilla OT would be awesome. Been a Godzilla fan since I was 5 years old, and have gone to G-Fest in Chicago four times (Less than a month to go until the next one). Also a G-Fan magazine subscriber. An OT on here to talk all things Godzilla is something I've been missing.
No? You must be thinking of Bryan Cranston's character.
More_Badass
Member
I'm surprised there isn't one. I assumed there was one already
People should be less worried about the screentime the monsters get and more to do with how well the human cast can actually make us care about those scenes without them. I didnt mind Aaron Johnson's character, but he didnt really convey the sense of dread and loss someone in his position should have.
Hopefully the new cast can
Hopefully the new cast can
Irrc There was, it died.
Bobby Roberts
Banned
Good news is that Dougherty is already way better at eliciting convincing/interesting performances from his actors than Gareth Edwards was/is.
He's also a pretty decent screenwriter too, so he has a good sense of story, and how to tell it. Not saying he's some sort of master storyteller or whatever, just that when it comes to pulling interesting/entertaining performances out of his cast, he's easily Edwards' superior.
Edwards needed Tony Gilroy to get Godzilla into the shape it wound up in (which wasn't great from a drama standpoint) and Gilroy was given way more time and money to do the same with Rogue One.
I don't think Dougherty is going to need that much help/support on that end.
NightShift
Member
I mean it's not like they're deep characters that need to be introduced with a back story. All you need is Ken Watanabe to say they came out of hiding somewhere and you can get straight to the action.
I do hope Mothra gets introduced correctly though but that wouldn't really fit an American movie. The twins were in the first movie though so who knows.
Bobby Roberts
Banned
So far as the music goes it would be nice to get THAT THEME in here.
I liked Desplat's score for Godzilla but I thought it woulda been nice to hear those notes just ONCE.
Ken "staring in the distance" Watanabe didn't even have a character. He was just that horror-trope of a foreigner telling Americans what kind of horror they face.
That cast is great, loving it.
As for the monster selection, I am totally on board but I fear this is too soon. King Ghidorah has become Godzilla's greatest adversary that anything that comes after him will feel like a step down. Considering we'll see an inevitable Godzilla and Kong team up in the following movie, makes you wonder who they'll pull out for those two to face off against.
As for the monster selection, I am totally on board but I fear this is too soon. King Ghidorah has become Godzilla's greatest adversary that anything that comes after him will feel like a step down. Considering we'll see an inevitable Godzilla and Kong team up in the following movie, makes you wonder who they'll pull out for those two to face off against.
Rodney McKay
Member
Really looking forward to seeing how King Ghidora will look and animate. I hope the lighting mouth blasts are as cool as Godzilla's mouth fire was in the last (US) movie.
Mothra... Never was a huge fan, but it works as a buddy for Godzilla or stopping him from doing too much destruction to humanity (when he's being the badguy). I wouldn't mind seeing Mothra sacrifice itself weakening Ghidora or Rodanthe or something.
Rodan is fine, but the last movie already had a flying monster, so I'm curious how they keep Rodan fresh.
Mothra... Never was a huge fan, but it works as a buddy for Godzilla or stopping him from doing too much destruction to humanity (when he's being the badguy). I wouldn't mind seeing Mothra sacrifice itself weakening Ghidora or Rodanthe or something.
Rodan is fine, but the last movie already had a flying monster, so I'm curious how they keep Rodan fresh.
No, he's alive and well by the end of film. The good news that got kinda buried with this announcement is that he's acting again, so his stomach cancer treatment must have gone well.
You take that back. The Heisei series was some of Godzilla's most entertaining iterations. Shin was good, but still had its issues.
Tal Shiar Agent
Banned
I hope Godzilla, Rodan, and Mothra team up to take down King Ghidorah. Make it a straight remake of Ghidorah, the Three-Headed Monster minus the princess from Venus.
Shin was a terrible Godzilla film.
Shin was a terrible Godzilla film.
It's going to be really hard to wait for this movie, but hey, that just gives me another reason to live! I need to see this on the biggest screen possible!
Wow, you didn't end up liking Shin? It's in my top 3 now with Godzilla 1985 and Gojira. I know you're a pretty huge fan too, so I'd be curious to know why didn't like it. You got a post somewhere you can link or something?
Wow, you didn't end up liking Shin? It's in my top 3 now with Godzilla 1985 and Gojira. I know you're a pretty huge fan too, so I'd be curious to know why didn't like it. You got a post somewhere you can link or something?
Absolutely incorrect. Shin Godzilla captured the essence of the original movie and the monster and became one of the best remakes of all time
Why?
CheeseConey
Member
Shin is a closer Godzilla film to Gojira than pretty much any other in the franchise.
Origin story?
This film with need three of them. It will be a bit packed for one film.
Bobby Roberts
Banned
As I've said before, the thing it's closest to is Veep or Parks & Recreation, really.
It's a good Godzilla movie. I don't think it's better than Godzilla 14, really. But then again I don't think Godzilla 14 is some insult to the series, either.
Both films are good Godzilla films for very different reasons. I prefer Godzilla 14 to Shin, primarily because I find Shin's tone way too inconsistent (and the highs it hits when it manages to secure a grip on its tone not even all that high). Godzilla 14 has its faults, of course, but it's more or less the same movie all the way through. Shin wants to be a satire AND a workplace comedy AND a serious allegory AND a monster movie all at the same time and it only succeeds at two of those all that well.
I never really got a "workplace comedy" feel from Shin Godzilla.
I love Godzilla 14 also and I guess it's more consistent in tone. But the most interesting character in that movie dies in act 1 and the title character isn't even the main focus of the plot.
Shin was a top 3 Godzilla movie for me, 14 is easily top 10
I love Godzilla 14 also and I guess it's more consistent in tone. But the most interesting character in that movie dies in act 1 and the title character isn't even the main focus of the plot.
Shin was a top 3 Godzilla movie for me, 14 is easily top 10
Tal Shiar Agent
Banned
I hate the Godzilla design worse than the 98 film. I just can't get over it.
Plus, this feels like the wrong time for some horror infested disaster evil Godzilla film. Seeing 2014 have Godzilla as a hero and basically be a modern Showa film (and it looks like the next two will be more Showa style) is just awesome. Godzilla has been a villain for too long.
Spaceman Spiff
Member
I'll back you on this. As much as I didn't care for the film itself, though, it was at least nice to hear seemingly every single classic sound effect and Godzilla roar in the Toho library.
I got chills like the next guy for the initial 2014 teaser with the Oppenheimer narration, so I was surprised at how much I enjoyed the more heroic light the Big G was ultimately cast in. Lately, the memories I had for the 60s & 70s films just seem to resonate with me more, and Legendary's Godzilla felt like the return of a long-lost friend.
They can differentiate him from the other flying monsters by making him the speed demon of the skies. Like a supersonic blur at top speed but can slow down when he needs to. I don't know how they'll visually depict a giant pterodactyl outmaneuvering fighter jets, but they need to make it happen.
I guess the closest thing to what I'm describing is what we see in Final Wars, when Rodan is attacking New York.
balladofwindfishes
Member
You don't need an entire movie to establish Mothra and Rodan. It won't be crowded at all, we're not talking about super deep characters.
Geno Breaker
Banned
No way man. Shin was the perfect tribute to the Golden Age of Japanese science fiction/ fantasy cinema. Instead of making a half assed "nuclear weapons are bad" theme it makes a reasonable criticism of the government while conveying the sheer terror of the 3/11 disaster and what people as a whole should do about it. There's also some great comedic moments here and there alongside set pieces that were never done before, until it ultimately reaches the climax that deserves far more credit than it gets. It's an incredibly Ishiro Honda-esque moment that fittingly plays to the Battle in Outer Space theme and that alone raises it above two-thirds of the whole franchise. It's the craziest version of Godzilla by Toho, but it's abilities are an evolution of what was done before and it fits the film's theme far better than any other Godzilla movie has done in the last 40 years.
And G14 is hardly like a Showa film at all. If anything it's like a Heisei movie. Instead of having a message warning us, yet being optimistic about what we could achieve, it's has a muddled theme about how nuclear weapons and disasters are bad, and we shouldn't intefere to the point of making it worse.
Ah, ok. That makes a lot of sense.
I love Godzilla as an antagonist force of nature. It's the same reason I was upset with the 2014 movie. That was a Showa-era movie sold like it was the next Gojira! Shin Godzilla feels like closest thing we've gotten to the original Gojira, since like 1984. I dont think I'll ever tire of Godzilla being a villain, as I think that's the role he plays best lol.
And as far as the design is concerned . . . I don't know man I dig Shin Godzilla and his different formes. He creeped me out!
So I need to wait even longer for my Kong crossover?
Also lol at having Easy E in Kong and now Ice Cube in Godzilla. Can we get their two monster movie characters to head nod each other at some point? I know Easy Kong would be in his 70's by this timeline but that'd still be dumb funny.
Also good for O'Shea I was wondering when he'd start poking into other movies. He was good in straight outta Compton.
Also lol at having Easy E in Kong and now Ice Cube in Godzilla. Can we get their two monster movie characters to head nod each other at some point? I know Easy Kong would be in his 70's by this timeline but that'd still be dumb funny.
Also good for O'Shea I was wondering when he'd start poking into other movies. He was good in straight outta Compton.
WordAssassin
Member
Have they said, or is there any hope, that we will ever get the mecha monsters in any of the American Godzilla films?
It feels like the American G movies have tried to go for a more "realistic" take on things (as realistic as giant monsters can be, I guess) but I don't know if they can convincingly throw the mechs in there. Godzilla 2014, King Kong, Godzilla 2 are all "modern" movies and our tech is obviously not at the level required to make a giant robot Godzilla or to put a robot head and wings onto a fallen Ghidora.
Have they spoken at all about this? Is the endgame of the current Godzilla franchise Godzilla VS King Kong? Or do they hope to keep doing more Godzilla VS movies after that?
I've always been so curious about what an American-designed MechaGodzilla would look like.
It feels like the American G movies have tried to go for a more "realistic" take on things (as realistic as giant monsters can be, I guess) but I don't know if they can convincingly throw the mechs in there. Godzilla 2014, King Kong, Godzilla 2 are all "modern" movies and our tech is obviously not at the level required to make a giant robot Godzilla or to put a robot head and wings onto a fallen Ghidora.
Have they spoken at all about this? Is the endgame of the current Godzilla franchise Godzilla VS King Kong? Or do they hope to keep doing more Godzilla VS movies after that?
I've always been so curious about what an American-designed MechaGodzilla would look like.
Tal Shiar Agent
Banned
Growing up the Showa films were my favorite. I watched Invasion of the Astro-Monster, Destroy All Monsters, and Godzilla vs. Mechagodzilla so many times I wore out the tapes. I have a lot of appreciation for Godzilla as a nuclear allegory, but I'll never not love him as a protector of the Earth.
I enjoy the human characters in Shin much more than I do in many of the other films, it's really their movie and some get frustrated by it. It has some solid satire and is genuinely funny at times. Godzilla himself is hit and miss - - there are some amazing scenes, but spends too much of the movie being.. lethargic? I'd put it in my top 10.
One of the issues I have with 2014 is that it's a movie about the MUTO and Godzilla is a deus ex machina that just kinda solves the problem at the end. It doesn't help that the MUTOs are generic monster fodder. The human drama is cliché and boring - - Cranston's character should have been the main protagonist - - or should have been a father-son story. I like it, but find some of the decisions annoying. Not to mention the typical big budget 'everything has to be dark or gray' color scheme.
One of the issues I have with 2014 is that it's a movie about the MUTO and Godzilla is a deus ex machina that just kinda solves the problem at the end. It doesn't help that the MUTOs are generic monster fodder. The human drama is cliché and boring - - Cranston's character should have been the main protagonist - - or should have been a father-son story. I like it, but find some of the decisions annoying. Not to mention the typical big budget 'everything has to be dark or gray' color scheme.
Netherscourge
Banned
Holy Shit. Slow down!
lol
This happened in an old Godzilla movie and it literally looked like a WWE Pay Per View.
Master Yoshi
Member
I'm okay with this format. Hopefully they tag team Ghidorah to the death and Rodan and Mothra live on to fight another day.
We need a film where Godzilla is defeated and Monarch builds this!
