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Alucrid said:
I keep seeing this...but is the DRG rotation really that hard?

HT+FR+PH -> ID+DI+CT -> TT+VT+FT

reapply HT and DI/CT as needed and mix in BFB, IR, LS and the other abilities, get creative as the situation demands.
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Is hard when you add jumps, buff and DOTS, with position req mixed. Seems so much extra work compared to other classes...
 
Fatalmephisto said:
I wonder if Square is going to do anything about the speed runners for both WP and AK.
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I keep saying they need to reward clearing packs of mobs, not punish the speed running itself.

They did this with solo/party play with ARR, so hopefully they keep going with that design choice when fixing that "issue"
 
Relaxed Muscle said:
Is hard when you add jumps, buff and DOTS, with position req mixed. Seems so much extra work compared to other classes...
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That rotation includes all that. I don't like to add in jumps in a lot of fights since the recovery animation will fuck you over. As for positioning, it's just flank and back, like, literally a step to the right and left.

I mean, I played a Hunter in WoW, so I know what it's like to be extremely lazy and do high DPS.

Kyoufu said:
That's a lot more effort to do less DPS than a lesser geared Bard or Monk.
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Well, I don't think mine is that demanding, but that just makes me wonder what the hell Bards and Monks have to do.
 
I hope at one point they at least take a look at making some better limit breaks that are job specific or something. SMN, BRD and SCH could use some work. SMN needs to you know summon something. Make it a big AOE attack so you aren't forced to have a BLM. BRD Could be a Song that gives everyone a huge buff for x # of seconds akin to Bloodlust/Heroism in WoW. SCH should be a summon that puts absorb shields on people and heals. The 2 tanking LBs should be different too. I think it would at least give some useful situational LBs that people can use against different raid/dungeon mechanics.
 
Alucrid said:
That rotation includes all that. I don't like to add in jumps in a lot of fights since the recovery animation will fuck you over. As for positioning, it's just flank and back, like, literally a step to the right and left.

I mean, I played a Hunter in WoW, so I know what it's like to be extremely lazy and do high DPS.
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Well it's irritating to dodge stuff as a DRG and have your shit fall off and need to be reapplied. Also bosses just love turning around so you'll miss that heavy thrust buff. Ugh, very frustrating.

Alucrid said:
Well, I don't think mine is that demanding, but that just makes me wonder what the hell Bards and Monks have to do.
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Bard: Steady Shot, Venom bite, Windbite, Heavy shot/Bloodletter macro spam with ZERO positional requirements.

It's basically 4 buttons with only one of them being pressed 95% of the time. It's really, REALLY easy.

Also, Bard has a lower GCD from what I can tell. DRG's GCD takes a year.
 
Khatoz said:
I keep saying they need to reward clearing packs of mobs, not punish the speed running itself.
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I can agree with this. I mean, i can understand if people just need a few more Tomstones to get a piece of there darklight gear. Yet rewarding those that complete it 100% can always get an extra bit of loot off each boss or something along those lines.
 
Khatoz said:
I keep saying they need to reward clearing packs of mobs, not punish the speed running itself.

They did this with solo/party play with ARR, so hopefully they keep going with that design choice when fixing that "issue"
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Giving you a few tombstones for each group cleared would help or at the end of the dungeon: extra tombs for killing all mobs.
 
razgriz417 said:
Thanks, you said you crafted alot of your gear, can you pick up multiple professions as well? I think I just hit lvl 7 but haven't found a way to unlock crafting and gathering jobs yet and my buddy that was showing me the ropes hadn't tried crafting yet
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After your starting class lvl 10 quest you are then able to join any guild of all sorts you pretty much just have to talk to each guild receptionist and guild master and they give you the class with the primary weapon/tool associated for said class. Its good to get crafting early so you aren't behind by the time you want meld materia to your higher lvl gear. Try a clads associated with the gear your class mostly wears. Like lancer wears mostly leather armor up until mid 20's and all and then if your crafting level is up to snuff you can make your gear and never have to buy them. But if you want to plan ahead for lnc/mrd/gld armorer is the way to go cause a lit of the tougher def stated gear for lancer is scale armor.
 
Kyoufu said:
Well it's irritating to dodge stuff as a DRG and have your shit fall off and need to be reapplied. Also bosses just love turning around so you'll miss that heavy thrust buff. Ugh, very frustrating.
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Most of the time I'll just start off fresh, like, when Titan jumps. I guess it also helps knowing their patterns too, like at the start of the fight I know that Titan will do a landslide almost immediately, so it gives me enough time to HT, put up dots, then start the CT combo when he turns and casts it.

Kyoufu said:
Well it's irritating to dodge stuff as a DRG and have your shit fall off and need to be reapplied. Also bosses just love turning around so you'll miss that heavy thrust buff. Ugh, very frustrating.



Bard: Steady Shot, Venom bite, Windbite, Heavy shot/Bloodletter macro spam with ZERO positional requirements.

It's basically 4 buttons with only one of them being pressed 95% of the time. It's really, REALLY easy.

Also, Bard has a lower GCD from what I can tell. DRG's GCD takes a year.
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Four buttons with macros? Damn. I find using macros with a DRG to be pretty inefficient.
 
Relaxed Muscle said:
I kinda wish that so I don't have to keep missing the accesory chest in AK.
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Last time I was in an AK speed run, I used return to teleport to the dungeon enterence. I used protect/stoneskin/renew and just ran to the chest with the small minion pet in it. And left duty finder without dying. Felt pretty boss.
 
Relaxed Muscle said:
Giving you a few tombstones for each group cleared would help or at the end of the dungeon: extra tombs for killing all mobs.
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Well tomes would lose their value really quick that way, but what if when you kill a monster there's a chance someone in your group can get an allagan piece of random value (fixes that there's no real way to get gil from dungeons), make them drop random aetheryte gear or even allow materia drops with really low drop chance, people would be clearing those places clean.
 
I'm a bit jealous of all you guys with your fancy gear. We're just kind of taking it easy. We're doing all of the major stuff together (which is much more fun for us in the long run) so we haven't done Titan normal yet. Probably tomorrow since maintenience.
 
Oh, I know about the maintenance already. I wouldn't be able to actually play tonight anyway. I've been away from home for several days, though.
 
by the way i need to ask. Has anyone else here at level 50 during a duty finder run. Ran into people who are complete dicks? Is it just me or did it get way worse at level 50 then it did trying to level up. I swear, the last few runs I've done the last few days has been rough dealing with complete ignorant morons.
 
Fatalmephisto said:
by the way i need to ask. Has anyone else here at level 50 during a duty finder run. Ran into people who are complete dicks? Is it just me or did it get way worse at level 50 then it did trying to level up. I swear, the last few runs I've done the last few days has been rough dealing with complete ignorant morons.
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Yup. Endgame is full of raging hard peniseses.
 
Reading Reddit, it is amazing how many people just don't get how Scholar works (or even expect to make it work by putting all points into INT and using cleric stance, which is just... just... oh wow)

Like, I don't see anyone mentioning that actually half your heals come from your fairy, who can cast a minor regen, who also increase the potency of your own heal, who can be roused on an emergency, who shields the party from magical damage.

And then people go "half our heal is a shield", and I may be alone in this, but my standard heal isn't Adloquium (which has a 300 potency + shield), but the standard Physick (which has a 400 potency without the shield). That 100 extra potency has to matter, because people always worry about how they heal just a little with their Scholars and I never had trouble on that particular front. The shield is only a factor when the boss do some big AoE thing that hits everyone and then you do Succor and it comes with the shield, which is good to help keep the health of the DPS while you keep focused on the tank.

I mean, I'm only lvl 45 and haven't done the big problem which seems to be Amdor Keep, but in all, I didn't even had a difficult fight regarding to healing and I done all the dungeons so far 3 or 4 times, with PUG tanks of all skills and kept them all alive, thank you very much.

Really tho, I think people just underastimated the fairy, whatever I'm healing with Physick, it's almost the same that she is healing with Embrace, plus, again, I can rouse her, also, she is usually pretty good at healing people while I am still moving, like on Darkhold where bosses demand you move all the time, your fairy can keep the heal pretty all right while you are frantically running around. Make sure your little gal is doing her stuff and everyone will be happy.

45 levels in, I have 0 issues with the job.
 
8 more hours of maintenance?
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Sblargh said:
Reading Reddit, it is amazing how many people just don't get how Scholar works (or even expect to make it work by putting all points into INT and using cleric stance, which is just... just... oh wow)

Like, I don't see anyone mentioning that actually half your heals come from your fairy, who can cast a minor regen, who also increase the potency of your own heal, who can be roused on an emergency, who shields the party from magical damage.

And then people go "half our heal is a shield", and I may be alone in this, but my standard heal isn't Adloquium (which has a 300 potency + shield), but the standard Physick (which has a 400 potency without the shield). That 100 extra potency has to matter, because people always worry about how they heal just a little with their Scholars and I never had trouble on that particular front. The shield is only a factor when the boss do some big AoE thing that hits everyone and then you do Succor and it comes with the shield, which is good to help keep the health of the DPS while you keep focused on the tank.

I mean, I'm only lvl 45 and haven't done the big problem which seems to be Amdor Keep, but in all, I didn't even had a difficult fight regarding to healing and I done all the dungeons so far 3 or 4 times, with PUG tanks of all skills and kept them all alive, thank you very much.

Really tho, I think people just underastimated the fairy, whatever I'm healing with Physick, it's almost the same that she is healing with Embrace, plus, again, I can rouse her, also, she is usually pretty good at healing people while I am still moving, like on Darkhold where bosses demand you move all the time, your fairy can keep the heal pretty all right while you are frantically running around. Make sure your little gal is doing her stuff and everyone will be happy.

45 levels in, I have 0 issues with the job.
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Playing a healer class and getting bitched at by people who never touched a healer. Yeah they have no clue, that it isn't an easy Job to manage. I wouldn't worry about those people. Let them think what they wanna think.
 
Fatalmephisto said:
by the way i need to ask. Has anyone else here at level 50 during a duty finder run. Ran into people who are complete dicks? Is it just me or did it get way worse at level 50 then it did trying to level up. I swear, the last few runs I've done the last few days has been rough dealing with complete ignorant morons.
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The community around 45+ is absolutely toxic and disgusting. Absolutely mind blowing. If you aren't a pro at the game only 2 weeks after its release, go home. Disgusting. Not to mention people raging when someone is watching the story/ Are you kidding?

I continue to consider quitting. Just gross.
 
Relaxed Muscle said:
Hate management is quite a bitch in this game. Abilities like Regen will give you more than a headache and the lag between the hate bars and what is actually happening is a bitch to deal, then you have jobs like BRD that can be hate machines or ppl in general that won't give you room to breath because they won't slow down no matter what. Lucklily Shield Oath (for PLD) makes things a bit easier.

The best you can do on early levels is to spam Flash and keep you weapon updated, the more dmg you do the more it will help you in these levels. Later you can start switching target to spread you enmity combos while using Flash after finishing one.

To be honest sometimes tanking trash mobs (or being in stun duty) is harder than actual bosses. AK bosses are a joke to tank for example or even Ifrit which is incredibly easy to tank too. Garuda seems harder but looks like the meat of the job falls in the other party members.
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Thanks.

Holding hate on one mob was pretty straightforward. It was holding hate on multiple mobs that was the issue. I tried spamming Flash after every combo, but I'd still lose hate. I started using shield lob on all the mobs one after another, but that didn't seem to be as effective as I would have liked either.

It may just be my limited abilities at level 15, but it will take some time to really get into the flow of holding hate against multiple mobs.
 
Sblargh said:
Reading Reddit, it is amazing how many people just don't get how Scholar works (or even expect to make it work by putting all points into INT and using cleric stance, which is just... just... oh wow)

Like, I don't see anyone mentioning that actually half your heals come from your fairy, who can cast a minor regen, who also increase the potency of your own heal, who can be roused on an emergency, who shields the party from magical damage.

And then people go "half our heal is a shield", and I may be alone in this, but my standard heal isn't Adloquium (which has a 300 potency + shield), but the standard Physick (which has a 400 potency without the shield). That 100 extra potency has to matter, because people always worry about how they heal just a little with their Scholars and I never had trouble on that particular front. The shield is only a factor when the boss do some big AoE thing that hits everyone and then you do Succor and it comes with the shield, which is good to help keep the health of the DPS while you keep focused on the tank.

I mean, I'm only lvl 45 and haven't done the big problem which seems to be Amdor Keep, but in all, I didn't even had a difficult fight regarding to healing and I done all the dungeons so far 3 or 4 times, with PUG tanks of all skills and kept them all alive, thank you very much.

Really tho, I think people just underastimated the fairy, whatever I'm healing with Physick, it's almost the same that she is healing with Embrace, plus, again, I can rouse her, also, she is usually pretty good at healing people while I am still moving, like on Darkhold where bosses demand you move all the time, your fairy can keep the heal pretty all right while you are frantically running around. Make sure your little gal is doing her stuff and everyone will be happy.

45 levels in, I have 0 issues with the job.
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You are looking at the bubble heal all wrong, it's not a 300 potency heal, it's a 600 potency heal that can avoid overhealing. You don't just throw them out though, you just try to keep the bubble up on the tank, it can save the tanks ass later on in combo with Lustrare, which is the best heal in the game, even more so when healing a Warrior.
 
Kyoufu said:
It's basically 4 buttons with only one of them being pressed 95% of the time. It's really, REALLY easy.

Also, Bard has a lower GCD from what I can tell. DRG's GCD takes a year.
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Are you even serious? Please tell me it's a joke

As a Dragoon you have to try and keep up not one... not two but FIVE abilities at the same time.

Heavy Thrust, Phlebotomize, Disembowel, Fracture and Chaos Trust.

And then, you need to switch back between Flank and Back...

Not that this is all too hard, but find it a bit dissapointing that a faceroll DPS like the Bard can dish more constant (and higher as I understand) than something with somewhat complexity.
 
Kintaro said:
The community around 45+ is absolutely toxic and disgusting. Absolutely mind blowing. If you aren't a pro at the game only 2 weeks after its release, go home. Disgusting. Not to mention people raging when someone is watching the story/ Are you kidding?

I continue to consider quitting. Just gross.
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Watching cutscenes is bad when

a) your party is engaged to a boss

b) you're on a strict time limit and need to get shit done ASAP or run out of time.

Serrato said:
Are you even serious? Please tell me it's a joke

As a Dragoon you have to try and keep up not one... not two but FIVE abilities at the same time.

Heavy Thrust, Phlebotomize, Disembowel, Fracture and Chaos Trust.

And then, you need to switch back between Flank and Back...

Not that this is all too hard, but find it a bit dissapointing that a faceroll DPS like the Bard can dish more constant (and higher as I understand) than something with somewhat complexity.
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Not even kidding. I can post a video of it sometime. DRG is just too much work for their lower dps output.
 
If I want to dabble with both SCH and SMN, would it make sense to stack all my bonus points into MND then use Cleric Stance when on SMN?

I've only been playing SMN up to this point (37), I just had the prereqs for SCH when I hit 30.
 
SoraanTribal said:
As someone else said, a DPS can easily get that accessory chest on the way. As a healer, I just simply ask a DPS if they mind swinging by the chest. Yeah, they might die, but should be in range of a Raise, np.
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Get a Bard to do it. A DRG can probably do it too with judicious use of elusive jump.
 
Reishiki said:
If I want to dabble with both SCH and SMN, would it make sense to stack all my bonus points into MND then use Cleric Stance when on SMN?

I've only been playing SMN up to this point (37), I just had the prereqs for SCH when I hit 30.
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That won't work, because SMN can't use cleric stance, only SCH can.
 
Kintaro said:
The community around 45+ is absolutely toxic and disgusting. Absolutely mind blowing. If you aren't a pro at the game only 2 weeks after its release, go home. Disgusting. Not to mention people raging when someone is watching the story/ Are you kidding?

I continue to consider quitting. Just gross.
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It's WoW players who have nothing better to do. I expect a lot of them to go back to WoW after the free month is up and complain about how dumb people in FFXIV are.
 
Reishiki said:
If I want to dabble with both SCH and SMN, would it make sense to stack all my bonus points into MND then use Cleric Stance when on SMN?

I've only been playing SMN up to this point (37), I just had the prereqs for SCH when I hit 30.
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Sadly, that won't work. You're either going to have to specialize in one or the other (+30 in MND or +30 in INT or whatever) or do a split 15/15. I still need to redo my points because I put way too many into INT while leveling. >.>
 
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