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Finally a good poker game for handheld/console?

Musashi Wins!

FLAWLESS VICTOLY!
So I picked up World Championship Poker 2 for PSP (though I think it was released on all consoles) and I thought I'd highlight it a little because it does some things right that the deluge of card games in the last year have always gotten wrong. I don't know why it's been so difficult to get a compelling game of poker, especially for my handheld where it makes sense, but when we've seen this genre tried again and again since the beginning of video games and I've still been stuck playing Hoyle Casino on GBC you know there is some room for improvement.

First of all...you can play Texas Hold 'Em. In fact there is a multitude of poker games (14 I think) to choose from, including all the popular and niche variations you're likely to run into in the casino or playing among your friends. Why companies release a card game at this point that doesn't include this game I'll never know since it's obviously the most popular variation going and for good reason since in my opinion it does get pretty boring playing old crap hands of 5 or 7 unless it's for a little variety which this game certainly has.

Second (and of far more importance) it has GOOD SINGLE PLAYER AI, which has been like the holy grail of non-pc poker games. It even bests Hoyle which while decent, had too many of the cardboard variety of players who stuck to even the dumbest of tendencies in a way that was rotely mechanical and not even represenative of a bad poker player so much as boring programming. This game is filled with unique players that not only play with a particular style, but do so in a much more human manner. They have variation without mechanical faults that are easy to exploit and running away with a game really seems to demand you bring your A game to the table. It's a real blessing so far and I can't think of another recent poker release that comes close.

Another reason this game is so interesting is that it finally approaches the creation of a Poker Player RPG. Completely? Not by any means. But if you want a good game of poker that is worth investing in for more than a few minutes at a time they've attempted to add some more meat to the package. While there are single game modes, small to large tournaments, etc. that you can set up to play, there is also a fairly compelling career mode. From there you create a character basically living in his basement poker parlor to a high roller participating in high stakes tournaments around the world. Along the way you can acquire furnishings, customizations, etc. that can be bought and sold (as the situation requires) from the local pawn shop. There is a lot of game variety in this mode and you will have to beat certain locations with a particular profit margin to proceed in world map.

A few interesting facets of gameplay...in career mode you can boost your stats by impressive tournament wins. While none of these attributes effectively let you cheat the game, they will give you little bonuses...perhaps a mathmatical breakdown of opening hand strength in hold em, etc. They can be quite useful without breaking the skill involved and add a bit of carrot to the career besides building the bankroll and opening venues. Also, even the PSP game features online play and your career is effected by your play online. You have the ability to save 5 separate players in memory to use how you see fit.

One controversial addition...when playing a particularly strong or weak hand the game will occasionally ask you to play a small timing based minigame that determines whether you bluff, stay poker faced or give the table a tell as to your hand. In single player it can be an ok break in the action, but I imagine online it might become a signal or tell itself as to the imbalance of your hand. Of course at that point, you could essentially play the mini-game to another level of deception, but it's still a tell to other players that should have been removed for multiplayer. I haven't found an option to remove it. Whether this is simply an aggravation or a game breaking impediment online I've yet to really test.

In closing...great ai and a great single player game of poker. Perhaps not perfect for everyone as it's not the fastest moving game and some could be more annoyed than not by the additions of the "rpg-lite" mode, but there are plenty of options to suit most players. I'm hoping the mini-game doesn't kill the multiplayer as it doesn't the single in the least, but I've been looking for a competent computer to play against for some time. This game makes me feel like I'm improving my poker skills and despite its faults...that praise is long overdue in the genre.
 
Good impressions, my biggest question is do AI players actually lay down hands? My biggest problem with console/handheld poker is that there is way too much calling and it's nearly impossible to bluff ever because everything is called.
 
GitarooMan said:
Good impressions, my biggest question is do AI players actual lay down hands? My biggest problem with console/handheld poker is that there is way too much calling and it's nearly impossible to bluff ever because everything is called.

yes they do. and you can steal hands based on that more realistically than I've ever seen, at least based on my play time so far. the ai is really noticeably a step up.
 
Musashi Wins! said:
yes they do. and you can steal hands based on that more realistically than I've ever seen, at least based on my play time so far. the ai is really noticeably a step up.

That's cool, I've been thinking about picking this up for PSP. I've played World Championship Poker 1 for DS and it's pretty decent outside of the fact that AI players will usually call you with whatever they have in the hand, even if it's crap. I think the PSP version costs more than the console versions, but seems like a good pick up and play game so probably worth getting the portable version.
 
A joke reply in thought, but I am actually enjoying the mini game inside Smackdown vs. Raw on the PSP... The opponents can be somewhat dumb sometimes, but other times they will lure you in.
 
I'm waiting for a Nintendo WiFi Connection poker game. I've been playing some poker over the internet for a couple of weeks and it's pretty easy to get addicted. Texas Hold'em is awesome :)
 
Jumpman Jr. said:
Thanks Musashi Wins! for the write-up. Shame it's not coming to DS. The first World Poker Championship on DS was very decent.
Are you sure it isn't coming out on DS? I could've sworn I've seen it some list somewhere.
 
In general, if I'm in a poker playing mood, I'll play some SNGs at any random place where I have money in an account, but I've been meaning to pick this up too since I can play some online games on the toilet that way. :lol

I read that Stacked (the Negreanu game coming early next year) is going to have some crazy good AI as well.

I really wish that the hardware manufacturers would allow some of these publishers to set up actual gambling in the games. The fish would be all over and it'd be some super easy money for the taking.
 
How much did you get this for, Mushashi? I stayed away because they priced the PSP higher than the console versions. Has it come down?
 
kaching said:
How much did you get this for, Mushashi? I stayed away because they priced the PSP higher than the console versions. Has it come down?
I bought it at Best Buy for $20 using the coupon in this thread. I don't have impressions though, because it's a Christmas gift for someone else.
 
^^^^oh damn you straight to hell

kaching said:
How much did you get this for, Mushashi? I stayed away because they priced the PSP higher than the console versions. Has it come down?

PSP version is $29.99 at Best Buy, which makes it eligible for THIS COUPON featured in the weekly deals thread. The coupon pretty much seals the deal for me.
 
I have been waiting for a Poker RPG forever .. this sounds pretty good. Hopefully, they keep taking it further in future editions.
 
Nice review. My first impression was to just use play money or micro limit tables online but the RPG and online aspects of this game sound intriguing. Is this the one with Lederer on the cover? Did he have a hand in designing the game?

It sounds like you have tried the other recent poker games like WSOP and WPT. They couldn't beat Hoyle?
 
Grifter said:
Nice review. My first impression was to just use play money or micro limit tables online but the RPG and online aspects of this game sound intriguing. Is this the one with Lederer on the cover? Did he have a hand in designing the game?

It's the one with Lederer. I personally have no idea if he had a hand in it, but I'd guess he did if the AI is as decent as it is.
 
shoplifter said:
It's the one with Lederer. I personally have no idea if he had a hand in it, but I'd guess he did if the AI is as decent as it is.

That's my assumption as well, since he seems to care about his image and reputation. His DVDs are good and he's involved with the day-to-day operations of his poker site.
 
Would be nice if they'd give Full Tilt members a discount on the game.... but then again they may, I haven't played there in a while.
 
Grifter said:
That's my assumption as well, since he seems to care about his image and reputation. His DVDs are good and he's involved with the day-to-day operations of his poker site.

I'd like to think that has something to do with the quality of it. There's a lot of little tidbits scattered throughout about playing and even the perhaps misplaced mini-game is there to make you think more about the hands you play, so at the very least I would say that game improvement was a goal of the design. Though, as I think the game itself says...when actually playing poker for stakes...you hope to find a game with players of little or no talent :lol

I wish I could speak more to the online portion (I will later), I hope it's decent. But in the meantime I wanted a better offline game to travel around with.
 
This sounds pretty cool.
Does it have a fast-forward feature? If you fold do you have to sit through all the machinations of the the other AI players or can you skip all that stuff instantly and go straight to the next hand.
 
Dsal said:
This sounds pretty cool.
Does it have a fast-forward feature? If you fold do you have to sit through all the machinations of the the other AI players or can you skip all that stuff instantly and go straight to the next hand.

I don't think there's an instant skip, but you can press X to move through it really fast.
 
Laguna X said:
Are you sure it isn't coming out on DS? I could've sworn I've seen it some list somewhere.

WCP2 is out for PSP, PC, and I believe PS2, but not the DS.
I guess the next good DS poker game might be Ultimate Card Games DS.

Grifter said:
It sounds like you have tried the other recent poker games like WSOP and WPT. They couldn't beat Hoyle?

WSOP didn't impress me, but I'm partial to Hoyle's Friday Night Poker PC disc (usually comes as a bonus with Hoyle Casino). I play 5 card stud on it all the time.
 
Interesting sidenote is that the PSP and PS2 versions play against each other online, and if you own both (doubt anyone will), you can use the same username/password online.

Also, the AI really plays off your tells/bluffs, so that mini-game (which is super-hard until you get some skillpoints) has a lot of impact on the single-player game. Online, it's a bit of a hindrance, but I think if you have the skillpoints to shut it off, then it won't come up online.
 
Thanks for posting this, Musashi Wins! It's been getting very good reviews as far as I've seen, which is comforting since so many of the recent crop of poker games have had disappointingly busted artificial intelligence (which is a dealbreaker if you plan on playing the single-player game to any meaningful extent).
 
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