I, too, cry out for more pathos in my multiplayer capture the flag matches.
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First Halo 4 GI information (Spartan OPs, multi, etc) [Update: Campaign/More Details]
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FateBreaker
Member
Every logical solution TheOddOne is throwing at you you're bouncing back no matter what. You want classic options, you don't want 30 playlists though.
CarbonatedFalcon
Member
From just reading the OP, it seems like more of a sidegrade than a full-on upgrade over Reach, but with a franchise this well developed, it's hard not to. Reach packed in a ton of features.
The loss of Firefight is pretty disappointing, and while Spartan Ops should fill that gap somewhat, I'm not sure it does so entirely. I do think Spartan Ops, as described, especially with the story angle, is a good addition though.
The loss of Firefight is pretty disappointing, and while Spartan Ops should fill that gap somewhat, I'm not sure it does so entirely. I do think Spartan Ops, as described, especially with the story angle, is a good addition though.
Tetrasides
Neo Member
Thank you very much - it looks like a famas!
NameGenerated
Who paid you to grab Dr. Pavel?
Firefight had the worst input lag if you weren't host. I'm not gonna miss that. Spartan Ops better be smooth like buttah.
I'm not bouncing anything back, what are you talking about?
The Xtortionist
Member
Along with campaign.
Plenty of other games do coop without off-host input lag. No reason why Halo shouldn't.
Demoncarnotaur
Member
Glad to hear, I was worried about myself if I was. :lol
Honestly, while many long time mans may find the idea of changes or evolutions of the game as a bad thing, I think those very fans would tire if the game continued down a linear path, with nothing new. Also, I think many games have a very addicting unlock system, but tend to cause balance issues. Halo 4 seems to have a great solution by not abandoning map only weapons, which also sounds similar to what Gears does.
^ I wish that would have went into more detail about the assault carbine, I hope it is a weapon like that.
Speaking of weapons, is the gun the Elite is holding the new Carbine or something else?
Portugeezer
Member
That's because it was very good in Reach, especially if other people didn't have it. Won't be a problem in Halo 4 now that everyone can sprint regardless of loadouts.
Yay, more people running away when they're low on health.
Infamous Chris
Banned
Impressive, 343i.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UL1JoFddmSs
See you for the next info round
See you for the next info round
Portugeezer
Member
Depends on how the levels are designed, and now everyone can sprint.
But enjoy your classic playlist.
It doesn't matter if everyone has sprint or not. And yes, it's more annoying on maps that have a lot of cover.
AllIsOneIsNone
Banned
More dynamic gameplay and evasion tactics for everyone? How horrid!
Surface of Me
I'm not an NPC. And neither are we.
Is your avatar from a scan?
Portugeezer
Member
But enjoy your classic playlist.
The Librarian
Banned
Considering how long it takes to kill someone in Halo, it does get kind of annoying. You put all that work into lowering their shields and they get away.
AllIsOneIsNone
Banned
Well fair enough, but it'll be more annoying for your foes if you're good at Halo (I read your posts on halogaf so I'm guessing you are). Plus, nothing like a good chase!
Tetrasides
Neo Member
I hope there is a betrayal medal. 
Not having sprint punishes bad decisions more. Having sprint is like a safety-net for people who make mistakes. "Oh I'm losing this 1v1 DMR battle, I'd better run!". Now is running away not a bad thing at all, but sprint increases the amount of occasions in which this becomes a successful tactic drastically. "But you have sprint too, you can follow him" You say. The way it works in Reach (and in Halo 4 too if the current footage is to be believed) is that you can't shoot while sprinting. This means that the person running away can get away by keeping on sprinting while the pursuer has to stop sprinting to start shooting which causes the target to run away even further. Following people around corners isn't a good tactic anyway, it gets you killed. At long range this isn't even a possibility either.
So you can understand that especially on close quarter maps (think Countdown in Reach) sprint can be really be an annoyance. I really don't see why people want sprint anyway. Give me a good base movement speed (think Halo 2) and I'm set.
shadowsdarknes
Member
Forerunner Vision
-Ever wanted to be super man? Now you can! See through walls with your x-ray vision! I can't say I hate this armor ability, I haven't used it yet. I'm hoping it comes with its weaknesses and it discourages camping. Sorry guys, but camping in Halo 4 will not be a legitimate tactic.
Sounds badass
-Ever wanted to be super man? Now you can! See through walls with your x-ray vision! I can't say I hate this armor ability, I haven't used it yet. I'm hoping it comes with its weaknesses and it discourages camping. Sorry guys, but camping in Halo 4 will not be a legitimate tactic.
Sounds badass
I'm still trying every day.
Adding Sprint and Evade are the only things that Halo: Reach did right. I don't mind Evade being gone, I'd rather it not take up another button space, but unless they upped the default movement speed drastically, Sprint is just essential to maneuvering in a modern shooter.
If you can't kill someone who's got the time to turn away and sprint in the middle of combat on a shooter as slow as Halo, there's no guarantee you were gonna get the kill anyway.
If you can't kill someone who's got the time to turn away and sprint in the middle of combat on a shooter as slow as Halo, there's no guarantee you were gonna get the kill anyway.
AllIsOneIsNone
Banned
I see what you're saying, and like Dax said, it takes a long time to kill people; I guess it comes down to preference. Personally, I think sprinting enhances gameplay in most every shooter I've played, including Reach. I love the feeling of escaping a near death situation, and since everyone will have it its even less of a problem for me.
Oblivionmancer
Member
I agree, and while it isn't a consideration that matters when it comes to pure mechanics, I also think that it simply makes good sense for the bad-ass super soldiers of the future to be able to kick it into overdrive for a few seconds when under duress, or when charging into a melee.
ViewtifulJC
Banned
Enjoy your classic playlist
AuthenticM
Member
I now understand why Ryan Patton left the company.
ElRenoRaven
Member
Lack of Jelly Donuts?
Not enough nano machines?
The Xtortionist
Member
Yeah evasion-based gameplay only really works when either health is low or health doesn't regen. It's infuriating in Reach to put a ton of shots on someone, only for them to get away and recharge back to full health/shields.
Like in Shadowrun, you can fucking teleport. Through walls. It's probably the most effective evasion mechanic in any shooter to date. But it's not frustrating because health doesn't regen. Even if a damaged opponent teleports away, everything you did matters, weakening them for a teammate or forcing them to fall back to a Tree of Life to regain health - basically neutralizing them as a threat for as long as it takes for them to regen their health. Yeah Elves regen automatically, but they have very low health so it balances out.
game design
meh, it was inferiorating unless your the guy that got away.
there are always scenarios in Halo where you have to make the decision to either run away or take the risk and continue fighting with a low shield because you know the opponent also has a low shield. Sometimes it is better to run away for a moment because you are about to reload, or maybe a teammate is coming to back you up so you start running that way. et ceterea.
i also like Shadowrun alot, I have no reason to say it is unbalanced, but I also know that Halo has its own perfect balance.
AllIsOneIsNone
Banned
There are a million things in halo more infuriating than enemies escaping from the last couple shots. Getting rocket launched, getting sniped, getting shotgun/sworded from out of nowhere, having the opponents teammate pop out to kill you one shot before you kill the oppenent, the list goes on. Like I keep saying, it may be slightly annoying for them to evade your attack, but if you're better you'll do it more often than your opponent thus making it a factor of skill. And it changes things up, keeps gameplay dynamic. Game Design.
AdmiralSnackbar
Member
The other developers were unwilling to call it Active Camoflaj ?
The Xtortionist
Member
Then you end up with a boring, slow paced game like Reach where nobody ever dies outside of close range without being teamshotted or sniped. Not my idea of fun. I remember when individual players in Halo were worth a damn.
If your team constantly hands over free power weapons to the other guys, they deserve to own you with them. Though the starting weapons in Halo 4 should be also more powerful than the H3 BR and Reach DMR.
AllIsOneIsNone
Banned
No, a slow paced game would be a game without sprint. Reach was anything but boring; unbalanced, yes, but not boring. Close range kills only? I personally got a vast majority of my kills with the dmr in Reach, were we playing the same game?
too much eslim
Member
i guess since not a lot of people used sprint i didn't have that problem whenever i was in a situation. people always run. I always found it funny. Matter fact if no one is running from you you probably not that good anyway.
There were times when i played people would just look at me and run the other way. Also the only way someone should get away is if you put 1 shot into them and they ran away.
Now if the game goes back to being four shots to kill someone it isn't even a problem. If it is 3 shots even less of one.
There were times when i played people would just look at me and run the other way. Also the only way someone should get away is if you put 1 shot into them and they ran away.
Now if the game goes back to being four shots to kill someone it isn't even a problem. If it is 3 shots even less of one.
too much eslim
Member
honestly the biggest news is the fact that the BR, DMR, and Carbine is back. I think 343 should make it 3 shot to kill somebody or do people think that is just too fast?
OdysseusVA
Banned
Genesis Knight
Member
Do you feel the need for dedis in Reach? I basically never lag or feel like my shots are missing when they should hit (lol CoD and Gears3 P2P). I am in the Midwest US.
OdysseusVA
Banned
I experience the exact opposite. Game constantly choosing the worst host and then migrates within the first minute or so.
Evade was the worst shit ever
Yeah Evade was trash, Sprint was fine though (it needed to last longer however)
Syphon Filter
Member
nah then people will run like pansys.
dragonelite
Member
Would be awesome to have dedicated servers. Hell i would chip in if we could rent one like ea does with bf3.
Psychoward
Banned
So........split screen?
Halo is one of the few major titles left that has 4-player online split screen, what about 4?
Halo is one of the few major titles left that has 4-player online split screen, what about 4?
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