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First PGR3 teaser image?
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Grizzlyjin
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Smiles and Cries
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that made me horny
midnightguy
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XENON ATI-POWERED YUMMY-NESS IS AT HAND ? 
eso76
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This image doesn't really mean much at all.
Maybe the car model is the same as the one used in-game, but i don't buy the raytraced reflections, with parts of the car reflecting the car itself etc...that's just a render. hopefully we'll see something in-game or in-replay soon enough.
Maybe the car model is the same as the one used in-game, but i don't buy the raytraced reflections, with parts of the car reflecting the car itself etc...that's just a render. hopefully we'll see something in-game or in-replay soon enough.
u_neek: Heh, I can't really argue with that...
If anyone is wondering where my optimism is coming from, it's basically from seeing engines like UE3, current titles like Far Cry, and getting a good idea of what games will be able to do from a technical perspective, for the next gen. And then I factor in the fact that UE3 and games like Far Cry haven't applied themselves to genres like racers, and fighters. So I expect to see something on this level.
To look at it in an extremely basic and perhaps incorrect manner, is to take the best looking games this gen and times it by 5. When it comes to racers, take a game like RSC2, or PGR2, and imagine 3 times the poly count, better reflections, more use of multitexturing. PGR2 looked pretty realistic to begin with, it's only fault being that it ran at 30fps.
Take a game like ESPN MLB and it's technically one of the best looking sports games thus far, and just up the poly count, animations, and with good artists it pretty much looks like real life.
On a side...I was wondering...what does the XY on the bottom right hand corner of the original pic stand for?
If anyone is wondering where my optimism is coming from, it's basically from seeing engines like UE3, current titles like Far Cry, and getting a good idea of what games will be able to do from a technical perspective, for the next gen. And then I factor in the fact that UE3 and games like Far Cry haven't applied themselves to genres like racers, and fighters. So I expect to see something on this level.
To look at it in an extremely basic and perhaps incorrect manner, is to take the best looking games this gen and times it by 5. When it comes to racers, take a game like RSC2, or PGR2, and imagine 3 times the poly count, better reflections, more use of multitexturing. PGR2 looked pretty realistic to begin with, it's only fault being that it ran at 30fps.
Take a game like ESPN MLB and it's technically one of the best looking sports games thus far, and just up the poly count, animations, and with good artists it pretty much looks like real life.
On a side...I was wondering...what does the XY on the bottom right hand corner of the original pic stand for?
eso76
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DopeyFish said:
Look closely at the full size pic, the car's bumper lower part is reflecting the..erm...(i don't know what it is) that hexagons grid and parts of the bumper itself.
You can expect background reflections to be that accurate i guess, but the most accurate cube mapping wouldn't allow for such accurate 'self-reflections'; raytracing, no doubt.
But i believe the overall image-quality is what you can expect from next gen.
And all materials look perfectly real, there's some fast fresnel too. No plastic here
midnightguy
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lets not forget, Ridge Racer 5 teaser CG images 
SolidSnakex
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Jonnyram said:
I think people are saying this is a render, which is a pretty big difference from being GT4's replays.
MightyHedgehog
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Jonnyram said:
Exactly.
Project Midway
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Looks great.
and dont mind Gregory, he's a well known PSyborg.
and dont mind Gregory, he's a well known PSyborg.
There was another supposed PGR3 pic I came across days ago, but I figured it might have already been posted in the ourcolony thread, so I didn't bother.
Here ya go (edit: if you want to post this picture elsewhere, please REHOST and then repost. I don't want to lose another photobucket account. Thanks):
It looks a little less clean than the one BlimBlim posted, I don't know if it's closer to realtime or not..
Here ya go (edit: if you want to post this picture elsewhere, please REHOST and then repost. I don't want to lose another photobucket account. Thanks):
It looks a little less clean than the one BlimBlim posted, I don't know if it's closer to realtime or not..
Well, they could also have a special rendering just for the hexagon stuff reflection. Reflecting red on red would be overkill, but just having this thing as a reflection could make sense. I'm not saying they will do this in the game, just that they could do it if they really wanted to.eso76 said:
This is obviously a render, but seeing the slight aliasing in the high res version of the image I'd say this is not a "true" 3ds/maya/whatever CG render.
gofreak said:There was another supposed PGR3 pic I came across days ago, but I figured it might have already been posted in the ourcolony thread, so I didn't bother.
Here ya go:
It looks a little less clean than the one BlimBlim posted, I don't know if it's closer to realtime or not..
That looks like a real picture and not a game render or anything.
I'll say it's not pgr3.
even though the letters line up on the side to say PGR 3DopeyFish said:That looks like a real picture and not a game render or anything.
I'll say it's not pgr3.
I can't vouch for its authenticity or its links to ourcolony - I found it on another forum, supposedly it came from ourcolony - but it's a bit of a coincidence that another pgr3 pic that definitely is linked to ourcolony showed up a few days later. And that certainly doesn't look real to me. It looks very CGish IMO. Unless you mean someone took a real picture and processed it?
About the self reflection...I just thought of a "cheap" (as in, cheap on processor and resources) way to do it.
The reflection of the car onto itself will always exist and never change (that is, until the car gets damaged). So it could be a static texture, that would blend well with the enviromap. It would just be another of the many textures that multitexture the car.
Now the very tricky part is...when that reflected part of the car is lit, then the texture has to represent it as being lit, and that's exactly what's occuring in the first pic. A cheap way to do this is to check one poly per surface that is being self reflected to see how lit it is, and then changing the texture representing the self reflection accordingly.
Heheh, now I doubt that it's being done...that's most likely CG. But it's an idea that could be refined and implemented perhaps? It would take a lot of time though, because for each object a portion the self reflected parts would need to be designated as a check area to see how lit it is.
I'm probably only making sense to myself here
The reflection of the car onto itself will always exist and never change (that is, until the car gets damaged). So it could be a static texture, that would blend well with the enviromap. It would just be another of the many textures that multitexture the car.
Now the very tricky part is...when that reflected part of the car is lit, then the texture has to represent it as being lit, and that's exactly what's occuring in the first pic. A cheap way to do this is to check one poly per surface that is being self reflected to see how lit it is, and then changing the texture representing the self reflection accordingly.
Heheh, now I doubt that it's being done...that's most likely CG. But it's an idea that could be refined and implemented perhaps? It would take a lot of time though, because for each object a portion the self reflected parts would need to be designated as a check area to see how lit it is.
I'm probably only making sense to myself here
Plastic or whatever the problem is, it certainly doesn`t have the realistic look I want. If this is how the cars will look in PGR3, I`d say it`s the same problem that PGR2 had. Looks nice, but not anywhere close to realistic.
It still looks good ofcourse, in a Burnout kind of way, but not a GT/Enthusia way.
But I suspect this is just a cgi render, will be interesting to see real shots.
It still looks good ofcourse, in a Burnout kind of way, but not a GT/Enthusia way.
But I suspect this is just a cgi render, will be interesting to see real shots.
DCharlie
And even i am moderately surprised
wowzers , i guess either my expectations for this next gen are too high or other peoples are too low...
i expect the XB2 to be able to do both pics in real time.
i expect the PS3 to be able to do both pics in real time AND tell my cell powered toaster to make me a Poptart.
i expect the XB2 to be able to do both pics in real time.
i expect the PS3 to be able to do both pics in real time AND tell my cell powered toaster to make me a Poptart.
indeed, opinionated illinformed arseholes only at GAF.
the 'self reflection' should be easy enough. You'd only need one environment map for the car in addition to the normal ones from the environment (or a few small reflection maps for concave sections like the lower bumper pictured). and as the car stays the same, it'd be relatively small compared to the surrounding area, which is already reflected in PGR2 etc.
And that second picture from ourcolony pretty much guarantees its PGR3 - '3rd time lucky'.
Now we need someone to examine it and work out if the indents near the headlights are normal mapped or modelled.
And that second picture from ourcolony pretty much guarantees its PGR3 - '3rd time lucky'.
Now we need someone to examine it and work out if the indents near the headlights are normal mapped or modelled.
that could very well be in game, doctored shot but polygonal quality and reflections should be par for the course. in fact it's not impressive enough to be a CG render imo.
eso, the grill could be reflected by some specific algorithms im sure? if there is self-shadowing, why wouldn't there be self-reflecting?
eso, the grill could be reflected by some specific algorithms im sure? if there is self-shadowing, why wouldn't there be self-reflecting?
DopeyFish said:
Err...those "rocks" could easily be a flat texture map! The picture is too small and focussed to determine otherwise. The reflections to my eye don't look anything better than what's in the other pic - there's definitely aliasing in there. The texture doesn't look "infinitely" high resolution as you'd expect in real life. I definitely lean toward it being CG (even if prerendered CG). You should look at what's being done in the offline rendering world if you think this looks too real!
edit - also, and I hate to say this, but I'm thinking the crowd in the first shot is 2D..
