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If that pic ends being a render this thread will backfire to high hell :lol
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First PGR3 teaser image?
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Pudding Tame
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Remember that XNA tech demo they had with the crashing car? Any chance that type of damage effect could be implemented in PGR3?
Why? DC looked considerably better than PSOne/N64, and that didn't stop either of those machines from selling, nor did it give the DC any more than a ghost of a chance in the face of the PS2.WULFER said:
I'm not trying to encourage DC/Xbox 360 comparisons, of course, but to argue that it will succeed on the merits of better graphics alone is specious reasoning.
I see where you are coming from but what I mean to saty is that in terms of graphics the leap to the generation after the next will be no where near as huge if this shot is anything to go by. The leap from 16bit to 32bit was substantial, f**king huge if you will. The next leap to 128 although impressive was really just way better texturing and more polys, same will be said for the next but in the end it can only go so far and I seriously dont expect it to get much further. Perhaps we'll eventually get to the point where games look like Shrek or FF: Spirits Within but that cant be too far off really.gofreak said:
Wulfer
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Graphics is just one front. You forget the casual gamer will see the Xbox 360 and PS3 graphics are the same. It never fails every generation the casuals can't see the differences. Also, this generation M$ has another plus the the best online services. Everyone know M$ is leaps beyond Sony and Nintendo's online services (for now) and they've worked alot of the bugs out of that service. Would you go with a service that's never had millions of people on it or a tried a true tested service? Plus Sony and Nintendo have to convince their user base to pay for that service.
WULFER said:
I think the online "difference" is overrated. Both Sony and Nintendo have been working with online infrastructures, and Sony has tested theirs in the wider market. Sony and Nintendo could catch up quite quickly, technically, with what MS has done online. MS's lead online was really just borne out of will and focus - if Sony or Nintendo have that will and focus, they can do as much with online as MS can, imo. Although I do expect they'll take different approaches to MS..
I'm also not sure how important online is the casual consumer for now..
In terms of things that'll likely be points-of-interest for the casual consumer, Sony's holding a lot of cards..
Lord Error
Insane For Sony
The 2nd picture looks weird becuase it's stretched vertically. I think that's why it also has some artificially made aliasing, as for the most part it has none.
First pic, well I guess I'm too late for the party, as the hex edit already said it was at least touched, up if not rendered, using some kind of "GT4 photo" mode. Keep in mind, there's a lot more you can do when you have couple of seconds to render one screen, compared to when you have to render 30 or 60 of them in a second. Print resolution graphics are one such thing, though
- it could help a lot when you have just 720p to render, so don't dismiss these graphics altogether just because they are magazine cover.
First pic, well I guess I'm too late for the party, as the hex edit already said it was at least touched, up if not rendered, using some kind of "GT4 photo" mode. Keep in mind, there's a lot more you can do when you have couple of seconds to render one screen, compared to when you have to render 30 or 60 of them in a second. Print resolution graphics are one such thing, though
- it could help a lot when you have just 720p to render, so don't dismiss these graphics altogether just because they are magazine cover.
eso76
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I'm pretty sure the overall image quality is representative of what we can expect from next gen racers.
The crowd might be 2 or 3d; it looks 3d because its perspective suits the angle at which the picture was 'shot', but it could well be a picture taken from the right angle and plastered on a flat polygon. Looks WAY too detailed to be entirely 3d, though, unless they found a way to use displacement mapping, or unless it's just for this picture and not always present on the track
The crowd might be 2 or 3d; it looks 3d because its perspective suits the angle at which the picture was 'shot', but it could well be a picture taken from the right angle and plastered on a flat polygon. Looks WAY too detailed to be entirely 3d, though, unless they found a way to use displacement mapping, or unless it's just for this picture and not always present on the track
Eh, after looking at the hi-res picture ( http://media.xboxyde.com/gallery/public/979/726_0002.jpg ) it doesn't look real time to me. There's just an excess of unnecessary detail. I'll be impressed if that's all real time.
That it's labelled as a render doesn't prove anything conclusively. You can have in-engine renders (perhaps with certain features turned up or whatever, or from a "showoff" mode ala the photo mode in GT4). Technically a screenshot is a render.
Touched-up is more telling, but then A LOT of current in-game screenshots that are released are touched up.
I wouldn't be surprised if the final screenshots are close to this. And if the final game is far closer to this than most current games are to their touched up PR shots (that gap should narrow a lot generally next gen).
Touched-up is more telling, but then A LOT of current in-game screenshots that are released are touched up.
I wouldn't be surprised if the final screenshots are close to this. And if the final game is far closer to this than most current games are to their touched up PR shots (that gap should narrow a lot generally next gen).
What they found in the hexx editor is just the title the PSD file had they extracted the image from. 
It was also an photoshop 7 etc. etc. etc.
Ferrari Modena 360, so basically..
I'm more interested in knowing if this picture is related, since it's also somewhere on the site.
It was also an photoshop 7 etc. etc. etc.Ferrari Modena 360, so basically..
I'm more interested in knowing if this picture is related, since it's also somewhere on the site.
Kobold said:What they found in the hexx editor is just the title the PSD file had they extracted the image from.
Ferrari Modena 360, so basically..
I'm more interested in knowing if this picture is related, since it's also somewhere on the site.
This came from ourcolony.net?
Kobold said:What they found in the hexx editor is just the title the PSD file had they extracted the image from.
Ferrari Modena 360, so basically..
I'm more interested in knowing if this picture is related, since it's also somewhere on the site.
From Xboxworld.nl - haha, Dutch is actually pretty easy to read, it's kinda like a mix between German, French and English with some Scandinavian words here and there and some coughing..
*back to topic*
VictimOfGrief
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No it will be 120FPS.aoi tsuki said:
i'm gonna have to say the shot is real. reasoning is that you guys are comparing it to the wrong game. lets go out on a limb here and instead of comparing the model to pgr2, compare it to one found in OutRun2 instead. Reasoning here is that IIRC bizarre was rushed like mad to get PGR2 out. I remember the frustration over at the BC message boards before release. Also chalk up the fact that the models in outrun 2 have more polys i'd think. they just look better IMO. It probably has alot to do with PGR2 rendering an entire city plus cars while OR2 has a highly detailed main car, low poly opponent cars and streaming sections of course.
Now if you look at the pgr3 teaser, for those who have played OR2, i'd say that teaser shot has no more than 2-3 times the polys of a ferrari in outrun 2. what it does have though is better...WAY better reflections, lighting and effects going on. The background kinda seals it for me because the whole image doesnt look processed enough to be completely CG. maybe doctored alittle for photography sake but i'm thinking this is a pretty realtime shot.
Now if you look at the pgr3 teaser, for those who have played OR2, i'd say that teaser shot has no more than 2-3 times the polys of a ferrari in outrun 2. what it does have though is better...WAY better reflections, lighting and effects going on. The background kinda seals it for me because the whole image doesnt look processed enough to be completely CG. maybe doctored alittle for photography sake but i'm thinking this is a pretty realtime shot.
Lord Error
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On that huge res image you can definitely see that the first picture is in-engine, and not offline rendered. Touched up I guess, but in-engine, much like GT4 photo mode, except obviously with much better 3D hardware to work with. Ground texture, some imprecision/aliasing on curvatures and reflection imprecisions would not be like that in the offline rendered image, unless they speciffically wanted to fake the real-timeish look.
Most of you have no clue what you are spewing out with the tech talk. I'm not going to name names but reading this thread just convinced me that 98% of the people here are absolutely living in a well of their own world and a product of gullible minds + internet. Don't spew out terms like cubic reflection map or normal mapping if you don't what they really are and how they actually work.
That Ferrari picture posted in the beginning is obviously CG cause real lights diffuse when shined on a shiny surface even if it's a very small degree. Look at the light reflections on the top left of the CG picture and look at the real picture of the Ferrari. To achieve a realistic look requires using radiosity lighting and volumetric lighting. Only volumetric lighting seems to be in action here, but it's not very well done since the headlight section looks hazy, a sign of the artist's shortcoming or a lack of time to tweak.
That Ferrari picture posted in the beginning is obviously CG cause real lights diffuse when shined on a shiny surface even if it's a very small degree. Look at the light reflections on the top left of the CG picture and look at the real picture of the Ferrari. To achieve a realistic look requires using radiosity lighting and volumetric lighting. Only volumetric lighting seems to be in action here, but it's not very well done since the headlight section looks hazy, a sign of the artist's shortcoming or a lack of time to tweak.
Lord Error
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Jonnyram, I'm talking about that first image, wich car detail and the crowd, not that tird one with the side shot.
Please look at the huge version of the image. If that's offline rendered, I'm monkey's uncle. Low res version does hide a lot of flaws though.
Anyone want to hazard a guess re. what we'll be teased with next? We seemed to have gotten 3 PGR3 related shots now...I'd like something new 
Perfect Dark, perhaps? It'd be nice if we did, presumably that way we could at least get an idea if they're going with the last shown style, or a more realistic one.
Perfect Dark, perhaps? It'd be nice if we did, presumably that way we could at least get an idea if they're going with the last shown style, or a more realistic one.VictimOfGrief
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Now wouldn't it be something if they released PGR 3 on the Xbox?!?!? :lol
Kobold said:What they found in the hexx editor is just the title the PSD file had they extracted the image from.
Ferrari Modena 360, so basically..
I'm more interested in knowing if this picture is related, since it's also somewhere on the site.
I don't think so. Here are some renders from a car site:
Look here
The 5th Element
and here are some more shots:
The Fifth Element Reloaded
Pedigree Chum
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Goddamn, I can't wait for next-gen.
