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[Phoenix]

It hit CNN over an hour ago:

CNN LInk

 

[ErasureAcer]

Looks like I was right in my initial use of "mutiny". I really don't care though...I'm just happy to see the national media picking this up now. If anything...maybe the government will actually stop designing new nuclear bunker buster bombs and start actually spending money on armor.

Even though no force was used to justify their position...I think it would(or could have) come to that since the one guy pretty much asked his family, "what happens if I attack my commader?".

Troops are unhappy with their commanders and their orders and I'm happy to see they have a conscience and a brain to refuse bad orders that might put innoncent iraqis in harms way or put themself and their colleagues in harms way.

The top brass just seems like morons in this war. From people running prisons to people not demanding enough troops on the ground to get the job done and protect the iraqi civilians. This war has been poorly planned and executed and this is just the latest example...our government wanting these kids to go on "suicide missions".

 

[akascream]

Unless you're in the military, I really suggest you not mouth off as to what these people should've expected when they signed up for the reserves.

This argument is soo tired liberals, as if one needs to be in the military to comment on the war from a conservative perspective. Unless you are in the military, you can't say either then.

 

[Celicar]

So I guess the real question is, is it mutiny or not? I say not.

 

[Kettch]

You're happy about this? Wonderful.

The fact that troops are being sent on suicide missions is terrible, and I doubt anyone would be happy about it. This actually story however, of the troops refusing the order, is quite positive and I'm glad to see it. Hopefully their actions will lead to changes being made.

 

[Phoenix]

This argument is soo tired liberals, as if one needs to be in the military to comment on the war from a conservative perspective. Unless you are in the military, you can't say either then.

What does being 'liberal' or 'conservative' have to do with any of this? Who do people insist on using these useless labels.

 

[StoOgE]

I would think Insurection is the term for mutiny on land?

 

[ConfusingJazz]

How about just "failure to obey a superior's order", or "refusal to obey a superior's order"?

I think that about sums it up rather then call it mutiny. I think mutiny is a serious offense that may lead to 20 to life or something. I would also just throw my two cents in that I think mutiny is taking a superior officer out of command, like tying him up with rope and throwing him in the back of a truck or something. They didn't actually take control, they just disobeyed orders.

 

[Fjord]

More proof that the Bush Administration is a bunch of Nazis.

 

[Zaptruder]

In this thread, Olimario was thoroughly owned.

C'mon oli, photoshop something clever for us, depicting your own thorough ownage.

 

[JayFro]

So the media curbs the Iraq thing in a negatvie way all the time, so be it. They have an agenda and they are clearly carrying that agenda out. I have a friend in Iraq right now fighting in this war and his opinion is simply that it's the right thing to do and we need to be in Iraq. You won't ever hear that on the news though.....

 

[ge-man]

I respect your friend's choice but I disagree with his stance. Things are beginning to look eerily like Vietnam in terms of prepardness and difficult in locating the "enemy." I'm glad soldiers are taking a stand--they're paid to protect our nation, not die needlessly for our government's miscalculations and greed.

 

[JayFro]

I respect your friend's choice but I disagree with his stance. Things are beginning to look eerily like Vietnam in terms of prepardness and difficult in locating the "enemy." I'm glad soldiers are taking a stand--they're paid to protect our nation, not die needlessly for our government's miscalculations and greed.

With all due respect we lost 58,000 troops in Vietnam, maybe we weren't prepared properly but we sure as heck aren't losing the same numbers of troops.

 

[Che]

Well in this case the Sgt had been in for 24 years... I think he knew the deal.

Well in that case he was just stupid...

 

[Kettch]

With all due respect we lost 58,000 troops in Vietnam, maybe we weren't prepared properly but we sure as heck aren't losing the same numbers of troops.

At the same point of time in the conflict we've lost more troops in Iraq than we did in Vietnam.

Numbers are pretty worthless, however, as the troop levels were much lower at the start of the Vietnam War (meaning the ratio of deaths to troops is closer than just comparing deaths), and survivability for troops today is much improved with body armor and medical care (meaning many of the injured today would be deaths in Vietnam). Along with plenty of other factors, such as terrain differences and the amount of support foreign countries are giving the enemy.

It would be far more useful to address his specific concerns (in terms of prepardness and difficult in locating the "enemy.") rather than just throwing a number out there as if it invalidates any comparisons. I'd say the preparedness part is debateable, while the second is really the most accurate comparison to Vietnam that I've seen.

 

[OmniGamer]