Pai Pai Master
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Using eyewear to focus his senses was still Spider-Man's idea. Like the suit itself, he lacked the means to implement it.
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First Spider-Man: Homecoming reactions
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MugiwaraCole
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Not really the point. He's Peter Parker. He doesn't just have ideas for tech to help him. He builds it himself. That's an integral part of his character. I like that we've already seen he's capable of doing that, though. That alone puts him ahead of Tobey's Peter.
What is this supposed to mean as a criticism, exactly?
The only real thing I dislike about Stark designing Spider-Man's suit is that they didn't show him snatching some designs from Peter, or something like that. I'm fine with Peter's expertise being constrained to the chemical and mechanical design required to create the web-shooters.
Spider-Man not caring how shoddy his suit is makes sense for him as a character, I think - he's a kid with a low budget who just wanted to make something functional so that he could get out there and start helping people. But I'd have liked it if he had sketches of some 'ideal designs' that were the basis of the Civil War suit; i.e. "What are these?", "They're some sketches I made for the suit ... but the materials are too expensive", "I'll see what I can do".
But instead it seems like Tony Stark designed the suit, which is weird. I mean, even the colour scheme of the Iron Man suit was done by JARVIS, based on Stark's colour suggestion. I believe that Tony Stark would have the means to manufacture the suit, but I believe that he'd have the talent to design it (web-patterns and all) far less than I'd believe Peter, an enthusiastic teenager, could.
Spider-Man not caring how shoddy his suit is makes sense for him as a character, I think - he's a kid with a low budget who just wanted to make something functional so that he could get out there and start helping people. But I'd have liked it if he had sketches of some 'ideal designs' that were the basis of the Civil War suit; i.e. "What are these?", "They're some sketches I made for the suit ... but the materials are too expensive", "I'll see what I can do".
But instead it seems like Tony Stark designed the suit, which is weird. I mean, even the colour scheme of the Iron Man suit was done by JARVIS, based on Stark's colour suggestion. I believe that Tony Stark would have the means to manufacture the suit, but I believe that he'd have the talent to design it (web-patterns and all) far less than I'd believe Peter, an enthusiastic teenager, could.
I said this at the time of Civil War's release, but for me it would have made so much difference if, having already established Peter's engineering talent, the Tony/Peter scene ended with Tony inviting Peter to Avengers Tower to redesign his old suit just before their trip to Germany. They wouldn't have needed to add any additional scenes, they just had to tweak a couple of lines so that Tony's offering Peter a chance to upgrade his own suit, as opposed to offering to create an entirely new suit for him in the space of a few hours.
Spider-Man 2 is a great film, and is one of the best sequels ever made. How many comic book films has a sequel that actually builds upon the characters and plot developments of the last film in a meaningful way. The supporting cast is 10x better than your favorite CBM. Freaking J. Jonah Jameson.
It's also the only film thus far to really show the struggle Peter has reconciling his two lives. Molina is one of the best comic book villains on film. There is a hope and optimism in Raimi's films that no other comic book movie has gotten close to except the Superman films.
In my eyes, it's the best superhero film because you can tell Raimi really understood the character and approached it as both an artist and fan.
It's ok for everyone to have an opinion or to feel the movie didn't do it for you, but if you think it's a bad film you are flat out wrong.
Back on topic, I am really curious to see how close to Ultimate Peter this version ends up being. He gave an interview recently where he said his portrayal was based off that version, and he even cribbed lines from the comic to use in the film. Having read all of Ultimate Spider-Man, I'm pretty stoked to see what he took
It's also the only film thus far to really show the struggle Peter has reconciling his two lives. Molina is one of the best comic book villains on film. There is a hope and optimism in Raimi's films that no other comic book movie has gotten close to except the Superman films.
In my eyes, it's the best superhero film because you can tell Raimi really understood the character and approached it as both an artist and fan.
It's ok for everyone to have an opinion or to feel the movie didn't do it for you, but if you think it's a bad film you are flat out wrong.
Back on topic, I am really curious to see how close to Ultimate Peter this version ends up being. He gave an interview recently where he said his portrayal was based off that version, and he even cribbed lines from the comic to use in the film. Having read all of Ultimate Spider-Man, I'm pretty stoked to see what he took
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If you've seen it then I guess I just wanna ask ahead of time:
I LOVE Spider-Man. Have since I was a kid- used to play all the games, watched the shows, read comics etc. But man I really just don't give a fuck about the other superheroes. Any crossover comics I usually skipped. I thought the way the Avengers treated him like some troublesome fanboy in the Ultimate comics was really gross. In Miles' debut comic they spent half the issue giving Thor screentime and I had no clue wtf was going on and who those characters were and didn't really wanna learn either because what I paid for was Spider-Man. Every time a decent Marvel movie comes out some friends tell me this is finally gonna be the one that blows people away and every time I walk out thinking it was just another Marvel movie. Witty quips, boring cinematography, flat color grading, nobody behaves or talks like a real human with real human problems. Nothing is grounded and I was apprehensive about Spidey going to Marvel because that's literally the whole point. Peter Parker (or Miles Morales) is just as important as Spider-Man, and his day to day issues in life and how being Spider-Man conflicts with who he wants to be and how he wants to treat people, and the burden that this responsibility puts on him, is even more important to the story than whatever villain of the week he needs to take down. The Raimi movies have flaws, but for the most part they get this and handle it well. The best Spider-Man media imo though is the Spectacular cartoon for finding the absolute perfect balance.
Rambling. So with ALL of that being said is this worth watching as a really passionate Spidey fan or is this just another Marvel movie?
Yeah, that would have worked a lot better I think. But it seems like Homecoming is doubling down on the design for Spider-Man's suit, one of the most iconic costume in comics, coming as a surprise to Peter Parker.
Was Stark in his lab thinking "You know what would be cool? Webbing across the costume". Or did he outsource it to his employees? I don't see a good explanation for it.
MugiwaraCole
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It's not like Tony just makes the suit design. It's clearly based on Peter's homemade one. I agree where the gadgets are concerned.
BronsonLee
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I've seen the movie and it's really weird how it turns out Tony Stark's middle name is Bennothy and then he dies saving Aunt May from an illegal street race
Elegant Weapon
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It's overrated for some reason while Spider-Man 3 is over hated, imo
SM2 has so much crying, the villain isn't even in control of himself supposedly somehow and Spidey doesn't save the day as much as Ock himself does in a way too tidy sacrificial death. Second film in a row where SM goes against a insane villain & has to save MJ at the end.
Granted, SM has to save MJ at the end of the 3rd one too, Sony forced Venom in the script but it had more humor than probably the first two films combined.
I try not to hold the gross mischaracterization of Doc Ock, arguably Spider-Man's greatest foe against the adaptation but his arms controlling him? That's terrible and takes all agency away from a great character who is a fantastic mirror of Peter and his great power mantra
Basically, it's a real good film but it's hardly an untouchable standard of Spider-Man storytelling, imo
Does Dominic Toretto become the new Spider-Man?
Way to not spoiler tag this. Thanks for ruining it for me
The villain from The Mask?
MugiwaraCole
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I haven't seen the movie yet. Going Wednesday. I have no idea how you could possibly watch any Homecoming trailer and think this movie isn't prioritizing balance between Peter Parker, teenager, and Spider-Man, superhero though. Complain about what you want where the MCU is concerned, they get the characters largely correct, and that's why they're king.
This guy fucks.
BronsonLee
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Elegant Weapon
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MugiwaraCole
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Lmao sorry. I agree with you. That's a reference to Silicon Valley.
Makes me wish we got to hear more about that planned Spiderman 4 concept where Anne Hathaway was going to play Vulture's assistant Vultrette or some nonsense, only for it to be later revealed she was Felicia Hardy all along.*
George Oscar Bluth II
Banned
Still can't believe they managed to make the Vulture look cool.
OH, you were talking about Spider-Man 2.
Nah. Spider-Man 2 is a great Spider-Man movie. If anything I expect this one to be a decent popcorn Marvel superhero flick and completely miss the point on what Spider-Man is about judging from these impressions. Dude has fun being Spidey but in the best comics, cartoons, and movie (SM2 let's be real) his feelings about having his normal life essentially fall apart because of his responsibility as Spider-Man is one of the central themes of the story.
I could take or leave the helmet, although I don't really mind it. I'm just more of a fan of being able to see actor's emoting during action scenes.
Dat coat, though...
Still can't get over how good this suit looks. It's so Romita Sr. that I feel all giddy.
god damn... its perfect
i really hope Homecoming has some lines about Pete designing the suit and some upgrades in CW (which Tony then implemented)
George Oscar Bluth II
Banned
The coat is magnificent.
I really like the helmet. It's kinda scary and I think it'll be pretty effective on the audience during the first encounter between him and Spidey.
I like it too. Plus it was always kind of stupid this old man flying around without something covering his face. He'd get his face covered in bugs.
MugiwaraCole
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This guy does not fuck.
(Teenage Parker, especially just starting out as Spidey, enjoys his powers AND struggles with the balance between the two. That balance gets more difficult to keep up the older and more experienced he gets. See Spectacular Spider-Man, the best non-comic iteration of Spidey to date. He spends the earlier episodes convinced his life is all easy street from then on, but reality quickly catches up with him. Its plain to see something similar happens here in Homecoming. Holland's 30 minute stint in Civil War was enough to dead any other live action take that preceded him.)
Yeah ASM2 suit is still by far my favorite. If it had the movable eyes it would be perfect.
I literally talked about how good Spectacular was in my response to you earlier, lmao.
If this is as good as Spectacular I'll be very pleasantly surprised, but no Marvel movie has come even remotely close so we'll see I guess.
Get J.K back or cast Terry Crews.
George Oscar Bluth II
Banned
I liked it back when it released because I thought we wouldn't get any better but then the MCU one was revealed. Made me realise how ugly raised webbing is.
Bruce Campbell for JJJ.
MugiwaraCole
Member
The Raimi film suit should've alerted you to how ugly the raised webbing was. Yuck.
This literally looks like Spectacular, the movie.
I'd be fine with this new series not feeling the need to introduce The Daily Bugle team until after Peter graduates from high school. Leaves us a major part of the Spidey mythos to look forward to exploring for when Peter eventually becomes an adult who'll actively need a job to start paying rent.
I have no idea who they could get who could rival JJ at this point in time, anyway. Bringing back Simmons would feel a bit weird, and the fan favourites like Ice Cube and Bruce Campbell don't really do it for me either.
Maybe Keith David? I don't know man, it's a hard role to cast after Simmons did it so pitch-perfectly. No wonder the Amazing Spiderman films steered away from the prospect.
I have no idea who they could get who could rival JJ at this point in time, anyway. Bringing back Simmons would feel a bit weird, and the fan favourites like Ice Cube and Bruce Campbell don't really do it for me either.
Maybe Keith David? I don't know man, it's a hard role to cast after Simmons did it so pitch-perfectly. No wonder the Amazing Spiderman films steered away from the prospect.
Watching that Audi commercial got me thinking how great JB Smoove would be as JJJ. I think he can pull it off.
Syphon Filter
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It doesn't look like him though.
CloudyTuba
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That picture legit gives me a sinking feeling in my chest. I dislike ASM2 more than SM3, which is extra disappointing considering how much I enjoyed ASM1. Damn this movie.
Loved how turning into Electro magically fixed the gap in Dillon's teeth.
Get in that Spider's ass, Larry.
brandonh83
Banned
They try, I guess. Success is another thing entirely.
Terry Crews as J.J. would be amazing.