NotMyProblemAnymoreCunt
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I watched it and it's by far Alex Garland worst film. Feminazism really does rot the brain.I loved Ex Machina for its great performances, amazing visuals and thought provoking dialogues, but this...
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First teaser for new A24/Alex Garland [Ex Machina, Annihilation, DEVS] movie: Men
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Wait, so the concern was justified?
Disappointing, didn't think Garland was the type, which is why I had no concern initially.
plushyp
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The tweet quoted in the article:I loved Ex Machina for its great performances, amazing visuals and thought provoking dialogues, but this...
The very same tweet was written by the author of this "article" on Wired:
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Men (2022) | Rotten Tomatoes
In the aftermath of a personal tragedy, Harper (Jessie Buckley) retreats alone to the beautiful English countryside, hoping to have found a place to heal. But someone or something from the surrounding woods appears to be stalking her. What begins as simmering dread becomes a fully-formed...www.rottentomatoes.com
'Men' Is an Excellent Movie and I Have No Idea Who It's For
Alex Garland's latest cerebral genre piece is a timely bit of storytelling. But the people who need to see it may never seek it out.www.wired.com
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In fairness everything I've read about this movie's premise fucking sucks. First time I'm gonna pass on an Alex Garland project.
Damn it, I suspected this would have overtly feminist themes written all over it
Which was much more understated in his previous films, but I still mostly enjoyed them despite that.
NotMyProblemAnymoreCunt
Biggest Trails Stan
Yeah I love Ex Machina and Annihilation despite those feminazi themes because he was interested in telling a good story. With Men it's so obnoxious and obvious what he was going for. Basically all men are bad and women are perfect little angelDamn it, I suspected this would have overtly feminist themes written all over it
Which was much more understated in his previous films, but I still mostly enjoyed them despite that.
SJRB
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O for fuck’s sake, is there really nothing more to this movie?
Insanely disappointing.
funkygunther
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The Beach was great. Tesseract and Coma were...eh.
His movie output has been even more hit-and-miss, with Dredd being the only one I think I enjoyed thoroughly.
His movie output has been even more hit-and-miss, with Dredd being the only one I think I enjoyed thoroughly.
John Bilbo
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Now I have to watch it! Propaganda films can be fun with their messaging.
Also I'd like to see how the writer-director sees Christianity as the trailers contain blatant Christian imagery. I suspect he is not a fan of the scriptures!
Radical Dreamer
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Disappointing to hear. Ex Machina was great and Annihilation might be my favourite movie of the last 10 years :/ I'll watch it still to make up my own mind but still...
NotMyProblemAnymoreCunt
Biggest Trails Stan
Yeah those 2 are great films. Also Dredd was another great film of his
John Bilbo
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I just rewatched Annihilation on Netflix. It held together better than I anticipated! I don't think it is a masterpiece, but still a damn good scifi story.
Annihilation is among my favourite seemingly Rosicrucian inspired scifi. In how it can be interpreted as a story about personal evolution and perceiving it as its happening both in the external world and internal consciousness. And in that regard the best movie so far at telling a story of that slice of the process of moving into higher consciousness after Netzach.
Various references are there but the most obvious -The Shimmer- is a lovely immediate on the mark reference to Paroketh. The journey of the squad, taken as that of the individual, as they lose members which represent parts of the self along their final advancement is very well told with easy parallels. Icarus in four forms. These lost characters removed elements making room for new limbs so to speak for a consciousness that rose from the same source of life...and going through it twice.
Funny thing is even seeing this complex in the movie, which is so plainly in the film to me and being able to explain it further than this, I'm not even sure if any of that was intentionally put into the film. It could be made in a way that allowed for that interpretation.
Doom85
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Not a spoiler since it was shown in the trailer, but I’d recommend reading about The Green Man and Sheela na gig before seeing it. I was unfamiliar with either so the final 10 minutes were mostly incomprehensible to me, but reading up on it helped clear up quite a few things for me. Though there are a few still questions I have left.
Definitely his least straightforward film I’ve seen. So if one isn’t up for films with a bit of mindfuck, or for that matter one that DARES to criticize certain types of men (which is especially amusing as ultimately there’s only two men in the movie anyway arguably), then it’s not for them, but anyone else may enjoy it. Certainly solid performances by the two leads.
sol_bad
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Are the narratives between Men and The Green Man basically the same thing? Because if they are, I think I'd prefer to go in being completely confused. The weirder and more confusing movies are the better. I loved Mother! for example, weird ass shit movie was great.
Doom85
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It’s more to explain the symbolism and mythological imagery used in the film. To be clear, I mean “The Green Man” as in the mythological figure, not a particular film or book with the same title.
I personally didn’t find Mother! confusing because by the time the “man and woman” brought their two sons in who were fighting I figured out what the movie was doing.
Sometimes even mindfuck movies can be easy to follow once you know what to look for. For example, David Lynch’s Lost Highway, the scene where the cops talk to Bill Pullman and he explains why he hates cameras is likely the most crucial moment to understand the film as a whole.
NotMyProblemAnymoreCunt
Biggest Trails Stan
Another issue I had with the film
As for the Green Man and Sheela na gig. I know the folklore around them. This is still his worst movie and it's due to the anti male agenda that's pushed on it.
It ripped off Attack On Titans with the creature design in the end
As for the Green Man and Sheela na gig. I know the folklore around them. This is still his worst movie and it's due to the anti male agenda that's pushed on it.
TheInfamousKira
Reseterror Resettler
A film produced by an art house studio having "radical," (read: common as white bread) contemporary themes about how white men are evil?
I'm white
But color me SURPRISED
I'm white
But color me SURPRISED
NotMyProblemAnymoreCunt
Biggest Trails Stan
Actually it's basically how all men are evil. Not only white
Dead husband was a black man who was emotionally abusive. Ends up smacking her once. /SPOILER]
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TheInfamousKira
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It's amazing that we live in an age where THAT is scandalous. I'm waiting for the social media kickback there.
NotMyProblemAnymoreCunt
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TheInfamousKira
Reseterror Resettler
Having a person of color be seen as anything less than a flawless hero. I'm not saying that non-white people should be portrayed as savages or anything, but there's a sizeable group of people who think any villainous acts or even character flaws in representation is a bigoted portrayal. I haven't heard any talk on the particular scenario and film in question either way, but you've got people on Era and like minded places literally shaking over Ansem being black and the main antagonist in Kingdom. Fucking. Hearts. of all places.
I come from the perspective that characters, regardless of race, sexuality, social standing, monetary standing, etc should be allowed to be flawed, to be an antagonist, to have some grounded traits. Having extremely tame, cardboard archetypes for every character who isn't an evil white male mastermind does a disservice to representation, and as soon as I can see the studio execs crunching numbers and pushing social media trends, it just nukes my immersion from orbit.
Sounds like this film avoids that, at least.
NotMyProblemAnymoreCunt
Biggest Trails Stan
Personally I found it funny how in feminist media it's always a white female berating a black/brown man. The film was terribly written in regards to the abusive husband too. It was so obvious about what was going to happen. It's funny to watch since you can sense something racist behind it. Also I agree with everything you posted. But that aspect isn't even written that well either.
BTW I'm as anti feminist and anti woke as they come but it's just an observation I noticed
Ansem is black thought he was white lol
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TheInfamousKira
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The whole line of thinking in these groups (be it influencers, writers, actors, etc) isn't about about being evenly spread out and balanced on all the edges, and it's certainly not about making an entertaining or coherent story. The whole culture is rife with hypocrisy and exceptions. I don't want to derail this thread from it's point too much, though.
I'll give it a shot if it ever shows up on any of the streaming services I subscribe to, but A24 films usually end up being visually and atmospherically evocative, but push these subtle, weird progressive themes and have scripts that fall apart under the least bit of scrutiny. Not every film needs to have a flawless airtight story, but it just doesn't suit my preferences.
Also, I think Ansem is racially ambiguous, it always struck me as dude has a hella tan, but you know the Era crowd, if they can maneuver anything into their sights to be offended about on behalf of some sexuality or gender that 90% of them aren't even a part of, they'll do it.
NotMyProblemAnymoreCunt
Biggest Trails Stan
I'll say this about the film as with every Alex Garland film. It's beautifully shot. As for A24 films I'm either going to love it or hate it.
TaylorSwiftFan
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Alex Garland is a one-hit wonder. Annihilation was an experiment but not a good film. Now, this.
John Bilbo
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These terms are not familiar to me so I cannot comment on them, but first time viewing the film I thought about it in a more metaphorical way like you. This second time I focused more on the plot and characters.
Doom85
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I think it’s quite a stretch to call the film racist when they showed exactly one black man who was abusive. The truth is there is basically only two men (possibly only one depending on the interpretation) so even calling it sexist against men is a stretch.
And it’s not like Alex Garland has only ever shown black men in a negative light, in ex Machina Nathan refuses to see anything morally questionable about creating robots with true intelligence and basically enslaving them, and Caleb seems sympathetic at first until one thinks about it and realizes he never mentions freeing Kyoko which implies his desire to free Ava is purely selfish as opposed to out of any sense of morality (backed up by Nathan saying Ava‘s face was designed based on Caleb’s porn history so Caleb’s attraction is likely entirely superficial). While one could still argue Ava was unjustified in what she did to Caleb at the end since she didn’t know his true intentions, the fact that his true intentions are actually unclear does put the ending in a different light.
Like, when I saw Miss Peregrine, I didn’t think the film was racist because the only black character was the main villain. Hell, Tim Burton said beforehand he was excited to finally work with Samuel L. Jackson. That doesn’t exactly scream “racist” to me.
SJRB
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Movie is available digitally and man, this was wild.
What a remarkable experience. Alex Garland knows how to make compelling movies, that's for sure. Immaculate eye for beautiful shots and compositions. Often a feast to see, and a great sense of atmosphere. Pristine soundtrack yet again by Ben Salisbury and Geoff Barrow, who do pretty much every Garland movie.
It's a very tense, surreal movie with the most insane body horror stuff I have ever seen.
And - not woke at all. There's nothing woke about this. In fact, now that I've seen it I'm kinda baffled by some of the posts in this thread.
I shouldn't have doubted my boy Alex, the dude doesn't miss.
What a remarkable experience. Alex Garland knows how to make compelling movies, that's for sure. Immaculate eye for beautiful shots and compositions. Often a feast to see, and a great sense of atmosphere. Pristine soundtrack yet again by Ben Salisbury and Geoff Barrow, who do pretty much every Garland movie.
It's a very tense, surreal movie with the most insane body horror stuff I have ever seen.
And - not woke at all. There's nothing woke about this. In fact, now that I've seen it I'm kinda baffled by some of the posts in this thread.
I shouldn't have doubted my boy Alex, the dude doesn't miss.
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Ryuji Goda
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I love DEVS
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I am going to assume a lot or the posts hating on this film haven't actually seen it and are just regurgitating opinions from others.
It's actually a very decent film. It's creepy, atmospheric and for the most part the plot engaging. I didn't quite click with the main character as the acting was average at best, and the antagonist a little generic for my taste (weve seen creepy village guy #17532 in countless movies before).
No means perfect but a 7.5/10 for me.
this. I 100% recommend this one too, it's got some crazy scenes.
It's actually a very decent film. It's creepy, atmospheric and for the most part the plot engaging. I didn't quite click with the main character as the acting was average at best, and the antagonist a little generic for my taste (weve seen creepy village guy #17532 in countless movies before).
No means perfect but a 7.5/10 for me.
this. I 100% recommend this one too, it's got some crazy scenes.
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SpiceRacz
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Where is it available digitally? I looked and can't find it anywhere.
BadBurger
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