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gdt

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Oh god my arms are about to fall off. I'm not so sure going to the gym Monday->Friday is so good for a beginner :/. My plan was to do cardio+lifting on M/W/F, with T/T being lighter cardio days. But yesterday (Tuesday), I got in 15 squats because I couldn't monday.

Should I just power through this soreness/pain in the hopes it goes away soon, or knock my schedule down?
 

Enco

Member
Oh god my arms are about to fall off. I'm not so sure going to the gym Monday->Friday is so good for a beginner :/. My plan was to do cardio+lifting on M/W/F, with T/T being lighter cardio days. But yesterday (Tuesday), I got in 15 squats because I couldn't monday.

Should I just power through this soreness/pain in the hopes it goes away soon, or knock my schedule down?
Personally I think that's a bit much. I would keep it at 4 days a week max.

What do you guys think about the post workout meal 'golden time'? Some people say you should eat instantly, others 30 minutes, 1 hour or 1 day.
 

Natural

Member
Oh god my arms are about to fall off. I'm not so sure going to the gym Monday->Friday is so good for a beginner :/. My plan was to do cardio+lifting on M/W/F, with T/T being lighter cardio days. But yesterday (Tuesday), I got in 15 squats because I couldn't monday.

Should I just power through this soreness/pain in the hopes it goes away soon, or knock my schedule down?

Depends. If you're doing a full body workout Mon-Fri over a substantial period of time then I'd say maybe slow down a bit or you might overwork yourself, but I think with you doing cardio on Tues/Thurs (no weights aswell i'm guessing) then you'll be fine.

In my second week of boxing down and I'm loving it. I'm so glad I'm able to keep up with the fitness side of it for the most part, I thought I'd be puking up by the the end of the first sesh.

Never had so much pain in my left shoulder though from throwing so many jabs. I've noticed it on certain exercises like tri kickbacks and it's almost like my left shoulder gets really stressed and gets a shooting/pro-longed pain in it to the point that I can't even lift my arm up. By comparison my right shoulder feels fine.

Still putting up some decent numbers in the gym too on my cut - even setting some PB's on Power Cleans with 65kg which I'm happy about. Less than two months to go, can't wait.
 
I'm starting up Starting Strength next week (after a half marathon) - for people that are familiar with it, do you guys use assistance work in addition to the big 3 lifts he has you do every workout? I'm guessing I'll be exhausted after each workout...

I'm doing weighted dips and weighted pullups at the end of days B and A respectively. Since I started last week, the weights aren't so heavy that I'm collapsing from exhaustion at the end.
 

MjFrancis

Member
Szu, I like the cut of your jib.

You do a five to six day a week bodybuilding split, eschew the bench press, squat and deadlift, do your pressing sitting down and still have a physique many here envy. I'm waiting to see who is going to be the first to try to tell you that "you're doing it wrong."

But why I really like you, Szu, is that you do a lot of pullups. That shit never goes out of style.

So how long have you been sticking with the bodybuilding? Any particular goals or just having fun?
 

Szu

Member
Szu, I like the cut of your jib.

You do a five to six day a week bodybuilding split, eschew the bench press, squat and deadlift, do your pressing sitting down and still have a physique many here envy. I'm waiting to see who is going to be the first to try to tell you that "you're doing it wrong."

But why I really like you, Szu, is that you do a lot of pullups. That shit never goes out of style.

So how long have you been sticking with the bodybuilding? Any particular goals or just having fun?

Well, here's the thing. The bodybuilding style workout is just what I'm used to at the moment. However, I do use it for most of the year.

When the weather gets warmer (in NY), I'll incorporate a lighter workout with less weights and more calisthenics and cardio. It's closer to a MMA fighter's workout. As I also train (not as consistently as I like) in martial arts, I get a pretty good workout from that too. I also bump the pullup warm ups to 100 reps.

I understand that some of the stuff I do (almost no bench press, squat, deadlift, etc) may seem out of the bodybuilding norm, but in reality I'm not training for a bodybuilder's physique.

I've been training this way for about 12 years now. I started weight training because I was overweight and had high cholesterol. I didn't start out wanting to really lose weight, I just wanted to lower my cholesterol. But I developed the gym rat bug and I started learning about diet and different training techniques. So in a way, I'm just having fun at this point.

My only future goal is to become able to lift well into my old age. I would love to be a grandpa setting an great example for my grandchildren by doing 100 pullups.
 

Brolic Gaoler

formerly Alienshogun
Question: what's the idea behind doing only 1-2 sets for assistance lifts rather than your standard 3 (or more)?

The idea is that more is not always better. Typically the best assistance for the exercise is the exercise itself.

Also, extra assistance work creates more overhead and lowers your recovery economy. So someone who does more assistance than needed is hurting themselves more than helping.


The only people that should have a lot of assistance work are typically body builders, because they need to focus on "every muscle" for aesthetics.

For example, I'm training for strength. Here's what I did for press yesterday. http://www.fitocracy.com/view_workout/3548997/

Fitocracy said:
Parallel-Grip Pull-Up:
8 reps (+89 pts)
7 reps (+74 pts)
6 reps (+61 pts)
6 reps (+61 pts)
6 reps (+61 pts)
6 reps (+61 pts)

Standing Military Press:
45 lb x 5 reps (+18 pts)
95 lb x 5 reps (+38 pts)
135 lb x 1 reps (+48 pts)
150 lb x 5 reps (+61 pts)
175 lb x 5 reps (+71 pts)
195 lb x 7 reps (+84 pts)
95 lb x 10 reps (+44 pts)
95 lb x 10 reps (+44 pts)
95 lb x 10 reps (+44 pts)
95 lb x 10 reps (+44 pts)
95 lb x 10 reps (+44 pts)

Face Pull:
50 lb x 15 reps (+13 pts)
50 lb x 15 reps (+13 pts)
50 lb x 15 reps (+13 pts)
50 lb x 15 reps (+13 pts)
50 lb x 15 reps (+13 pts)

It doesn't look like much, but that will smoke the dogshit out of you. As you can see the final 5 sets of press are actually the main assistance lift. Facepulls are there to work the opposite "muscle" to maintain balance. Same with pullups.
 

MjFrancis

Member
Well, here's the thing. The bodybuilding style workout is just what I'm used to at the moment. However, I do use it for most of the year.

When the weather gets warmer (in NY), I'll incorporate a lighter workout with less weights and more calisthenics and cardio. It's closer to a MMA fighter's workout. As I also train (not as consistently as I like) in martial arts, I get a pretty good workout from that too. I also bump the pullup warm ups to 100 reps.

I understand that some of the stuff I do (almost no bench press, squat, deadlift, etc) may seem out of the bodybuilding norm, but in reality I'm not training for a bodybuilder's physique.

I've been training this way for about 12 years now. I started weight training because I was overweight and had high cholesterol. I didn't start out wanting to really lose weight, I just wanted to lower my cholesterol. But I developed the gym rat bug and I started learning about diet and different training techniques. So in a way, I'm just having fun at this point.

My only future goal is to become able to lift well into my old age. I would love to be a grandpa setting an great example for my grandchildren by doing 100 pullups.
I think the bolded is the most important part. It's good to see that you never quit, and that just by making your training a part of your lifestyle that you're able to maintain it in the long term.

My biggest thought when I read about your split was concerning my own brother, who went to the gym for 5+ years, for 5-6 days a week and just recently got burnt out and slimmed down. He was a beast, and he's still fit, but he easily lost 30 pounds of muscle because he was simply done with spending so much time in the gym every week.

Again, congrats for sticking with it in the long haul. And, like many of us here, for starting out unfit and unhealthy but doing something about it. I started running initially, just watched my diet, and year after year I've become more focused and determined in everything I've done. I've been maintaining high-frequency training with pull-ups and such, but I mix my grip all the time and am no where near doing 100 in a single day. My minimum this year has been 3x10 every day, though not always in consecutive sets.

Feel free to contribute if you like. A training history like that has to have some experience in there that could help someone out.
 
Thanks for joining us, Szu. Appreciate your posts and pictures. I am curious what you started with 12 years ago (not a detailed breakdown but just a general idea) and if you have comments on how your training has changed over the years.
 

Trey

Member
As a beginning trainer, it's both character building and temptuous to see you all talk about your advanced routines, relative to my own, and how a few are lifting almost 2.5-3x what I'm putting up.

I like this place, in a perverse, almost self deprecative kind of way.
 

Szu

Member
I think the bolded is the most important part. It's good to see that you never quit, and that just by making your training a part of your lifestyle that you're able to maintain it in the long term.

My biggest thought when I read about your split was concerning my own brother, who went to the gym for 5+ years, for 5-6 days a week and just recently got burnt out and slimmed down. He was a beast, and he's still fit, but he easily lost 30 pounds of muscle because he was simply done with spending so much time in the gym every week.

Again, congrats for sticking with it in the long haul. And, like many of us here, for starting out unfit and unhealthy but doing something about it. I started running initially, just watched my diet, and year after year I've become more focused and determined in everything I've done. I've been maintaining high-frequency training with pull-ups and such, but I mix my grip all the time and am no where near doing 100 in a single day. My minimum this year has been 3x10 every day, though not always in consecutive sets.

Feel free to contribute if you like. A training history like that has to have some experience in there that could help someone out.

Thanks. To be honest, I've gone through short stints (up to 2 months) when I've done no weight training (both voluntarily and involuntarily). I'm at the point at my age that I don't really care about lifting very heavy. I've even incorporated other methods of fitness into my routine. I've done yoga, swimming (badly), and martial arts over the years. Recently, I even took up Pilates.

I like it here, I guess I'll try to pop up a bit more often.
 

OG Kush

Member
Is it alright to do pull-ups the day after an arms/back day? Basically its ok to do pull ups everyday right? I'm talking about anything intense, probably just 3 sets of pull ups and 3 sets of chin ups.
 

Szu

Member
Thanks for joining us, Szu. Appreciate your posts and pictures. I am curious what you started with 12 years ago (not a detailed breakdown but just a general idea) and if you have comments on how your training has changed over the years.

Well, my first three years were really the evolution of my current workout. I'll throw some numbers at you.

Here's my rough weight breakdown
First day starting my gym membership: about 235 lbs (107 kg)
After first year: about 225 (102 kg)
After second year: about 200 (90 kg)
After third year: about 185 (84 kg)

On average, my weight has settled at 185. I have fluctuated over the years. I've been as light as 175 and as heavy as 195.

During most of my first year, I just fooled around with no real focus. My cardio consisted of incline walking. My knees and ankles didn't like to jog. I still don't like to jog for long periods now. I hardly touch any weights. I focused on using machines. I only went to the gym 2-3 times a week.

Around the first few months of my second year, I started to get adventurous. I started going 3-4 times a week. I made a bunch of friends at my gym and I was getting more confident about free weights. At first, I just mimic their workouts. Then, I started to pick and choose the workouts that I liked. Then, I started to learn my own workouts from magazines and friends outside of my gym.

Around the middle of my second year, I started to really shed the weight. There was one month that I must have about 11 lbs. I had more energy, so I was consistently going 5 times a week.

Around the beginning of my third year, I developed a pretty decent system.

The next 9 years, so far, has just been modifications of my third year.
 

MjFrancis

Member
OG Kush said:
Is it alright to do pull-ups the day after an arms/back day? Basically its ok to do pull ups everyday right? I'm talking about anything intense, probably just 3 sets of pull ups and 3 sets of chin ups.

It's definitely okay to do pull-ups everyday *raises hand* but you should consider what you are training for and how intense a pull-up is for you. If you can't do 10-12 clean pull-ups right now I wouldn't recommend doing them in rep ranges above 4-5 if you plan on doing them everyday. Usually the idea behind high frequency training or greasing the groove is to increase the overall volume of a movement while keeping yourself fresh and free of fatigue. Pavel Tsatouline described greasing the groove in as simple terms as possible in his book The Naked Warrior:

Minimize
  • The number of exercises
  • Fatigue
Maximize
  • Tension
  • Frequency

I'll also pull out a few of his more specific grease the groove suggestions from his book:

Employ super strict technique
Select exercise variations that feel "moderately heavy"
Do not push to muscle failure or even close to it
Lift at a moderate to slow speed
Limit the reps to five per set and less
Build up slow
Practice variations of the same exercises
The less frequently you try for a PR, the better


The following T-Nation article should be helpful, too:

13,064 Pull-ups in 5 Months
 
You dress like Jim in the Convict Conditioning photoshoots.

And 6'3" is a hell of a height to put muscle on your frame. You're trucking along quite well so far.

Thx dood. Always good to see hard work come into play.

Oh, I was really thin back then, but well muscled too from body weight workm like I said, I was in running shape, that was the focus of my training. Lemme find some more pics. It's funny, because now I know how to get in running shape, and muscular strength.

And yeah, you've definitely made some good progress.

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Crazy to see the difference. The bigger look definitely suits you better imo

OK, my current routine (I tend to mix it up every 4-6 months):

Every workout begins with a five minute cardio run just to get my heart rate up. I prefer Precor ellipticals. I also like to finish most of my workouts with a 30 minute cardio burn. I do abs everyday, but I vary the workouts.

What I find interesting is if this was a new guy that posted a routine like that, he would quickly be told to read the OP and so on. I know you somewhat answered this a few posts back but have you ever focused on compound lifts in your first few years?
 

OG Kush

Member
It's definitely okay to do pull-ups everyday *raises hand* but you should consider what you are training for and how intense a pull-up is for you. If you can't do 10-12 clean pull-ups right now I wouldn't recommend doing them in rep ranges above 4-5 if you plan on doing them everyday. Usually the idea behind high frequency training or greasing the groove is to increase the overall volume of a movement while keeping yourself fresh and free of fatigue. Pavel Tsatouline described greasing the groove in as simple terms as possible in his book The Naked Warrior:



I'll also pull out a few of his more specific grease the groove suggestions from his book:



The following T-Nation article should be helpful, too:

13,064 Pull-ups in 5 Months

Great info! thanks mate
 

Szu

Member
What I find interesting is if this was a new guy that posted a routine like that, he would quickly be told to read the OP and so on. I know you somewhat answered this a few posts back but have you ever focused on compound lifts in your first few years?

Between my second and third years, I did incorporate compound lifts into my workout (squats, deadlifts, pullovers, etc.). However, over the years, I weened away from those workouts, especially squats.

One of my nagging issues are bad shoulders. My right shoulder was injured when I was young. I dislocated my left shoulder a total of nine times between 1995 to 1997. I started working out in the gym in 1999, so I didn't feel 100% comfortable having weight on my shoulders. In addition, I have long arms which make squats (and deadlifts) more uncomfortable than they need to be.

I was also training in martial arts, mainly kickboxing. While squats gave me a lot of overall power, it was slowing me down. Whenever I return to squats, it's always very light, but deep.

That's also one reason I've wouldn't do powercleans and/or clean-and-jerk motions. I was very hesitant about the idea of having any weight above my head. I didn't want to risk another shoulder dislocation. The powerclean motion felt uncomfortable on my shoulder joint.

This also explains why I'm not a fan of bench press. Shoulders start to feel unnecessary pain. Dumbbells are more tolerable, but I still feel it after a while.

As for the seated military press, my gym has a good seated bench, so I feel safe about not injuring my shoulders.

Basically, little nagging injuries are the main reasons for the type of workout that I do now. When I was younger, I would just power through the pain. But at this point, the pain isn't worth it.
 
What I find interesting is if this was a new guy that posted a routine like that, he would quickly be told to read the OP and so on. I know you somewhat answered this a few posts back but have you ever focused on compound lifts in your first few years?
The key difference is that he's doing it and it works for him. My routines were ridiculous 5-6 years ago. Pages and pages of different exercises, and I would lay everything out in specific order with some rationale behind everything. I look at it now and I don't even remember what half the exercises even were. I asked a friend who used to work out with me and he couldn't remember either.

I enjoyed it, but it certainly wasn't something I would do again. Difficult to track progress and takes too long to think out. It's also when I hurt myself, but that was more the timed circuit aspect than too many exercises.

But ya, it is funny how if a beginner came in with that, I for one would tell him to trash it. For most people it's probably not sustainable, especially if they aren't already spending a lot of time working out. It's just easier to quit if it's too much effort to plan out.
 

Petrie

Banned
What I find interesting is if this was a new guy that posted a routine like that, he would quickly be told to read the OP and so on. I know you somewhat answered this a few posts back but have you ever focused on compound lifts in your first few years?

No, there's an inherent difference here. The new guys get jumped all over because they come in asking for advice, and then when the advice doesn't agree with what they hoped to hear about their "awesome new program!" they get defensive and start saying how they don't want to be a bodybuilder and all the juicers here don't get it.

Instead, someone came in, posted a routine and detailed how it has worked well for them, with some logical reasons for why they do it, and wasn't asking for our advice do begin with. The 2 situations have almost nothing in common.
 

rage1973

Member
What I find interesting is if this was a new guy that posted a routine like that, he would quickly be told to read the OP and so on. I know you somewhat answered this a few posts back but have you ever focused on compound lifts in your first few years?
What has shown over the years is that his workout isn't as efficient as doing compound exercises in one of the established methods but sometimes you have to make due with your injury history and other reasons. And at the end of the day if your own workouts help you not get burned out over 12 years then that's really the best plan for you. Doing isolated exercises is much better than doing nothing at all.
 


Sorry, I should have been more specific. What I mean to say is that the routine that Szu has posted is something on the other side of the spectrum and one that we are not used to seeing. Obviously, he has been doing this for 12 years and has seen fantastic results and have very specific goals in mind so he knows how to train his body in order to achieve the look he wants. For the people just getting into lifting, doing a routine like that is something that would still be advised against. I mean no disrespect to Szu or the other posters in this thread.


Gotcha. I myself am always interested in seeing how people got started and to see their progress. You obviously know what you are doing and congrats on all your success.
 

Szu

Member
What has shown over the years is that his workout isn't as efficient as doing compound exercises in one of the established methods but sometimes you have to make due with your injury history and other reasons. And at the end of the day if your own workouts help you not get burned out over 12 years then that's really the best plan for you. Doing isolated exercises is much better than doing nothing at all.

I totally agree. When I was incorporating compound lifts, I saw more gains in overall power than I do now. At the same time, I'm not focusing on high gains at this point.
 

Petrie

Banned
Sorry, I should have been more specific. What I mean to say is that the routine that Szu has posted is something on the other side of the spectrum and one that we are not used to seeing. Obviously, he has been doing this for 12 years and has seen fantastic results and have very specific goals in mind so he knows how to train his body in order to achieve the look he wants. For the people just getting into lifting, doing a routine like that is something that would still be advised against. I mean no disrespect to Szu or the other posters in this thread.

Yes it would be advised against, because there are much more efficient ways to train, especially for a beginner.

Szu didn't come in claiming what he posted was "teh best", but instead showed results and a reasonable set of reasons for his routine. Bravo.
 
Sorry, I should have been more specific. What I mean to say is that the routine that Szu has posted is something on the other side of the spectrum and one that we are not used to seeing. Obviously, he has been doing this for 12 years and has seen fantastic results and have very specific goals in mind so he knows how to train his body in order to achieve the look he wants. For the people just getting into lifting, doing a routine like that is something that would still be advised against. I mean no disrespect to Szu or the other posters in this thread.
Oh I knew what you meant, no disrespect taken. MJ, I and others all noticed that also. It is interesting. :)

A lot of our advise is also so that people don't waste time repeating mistakes we've done ourselves. I would love to be 18-22 again and start training for the first time. Skinny fat or obese or whatever--it's an empty canvas.

I totally agree. When I was incorporating compound lifts, I saw more gains in overall power than I do now. At the same time, I'm not focusing on high gains at this point.
One main criticism of isolation work is that muscle groups don't learn to function together. In martial arts, the entire body and mind function together, so I doubt that would ever be an issue for you. Interesting also that heavy squats slowed your kicks, but that makes sense. But ya, for people who are mainly doing gym work, compound would be the way to go.

This is what GSP said about lifting weights, although of course take it for what you think it's worth. Lots of skeptics about how truthful this is.

Georges St. Pierre: "I don't believe in strength and conditioning. I never do strength and conditioning. I do not believe that running on a treadmill or doing I don't know what, so called machine. I don't believe that's going to help you have better cardio for a fight. I think everything in fighting is about efficiency."

Joe Rogan: "So you don't do strength and conditioning as far as like hitting tires with sledgehammers?"

GSP: "I never did it in my life. I remember I had a Muay Thai instructor from France, that I even brought on the reality show The Ultimate Fighter. The guy smoked, I don't know how many packs of cigarettes a day. He's always drinking alcohol. He's a real character, and he's completely out of shape, but when he spars with us in Muay Thai, he kicks everyone's ass. The reason is because he is more efficient than we are."

"In the UFC, I do believe everyone is in shape. We're all athletes, you know... but the reason I believe a guy is more tired than another guy, is because one guy is more efficient than the other. One guy is able to bring the fight to where he is strongest, and the other guy to where he is out of his comfort zone."

"The only reason it is good to lift weights, to do bench press, and stuff like that, I believe, is because it is going to make me more marketable, and to keep myself looking more symmetric, with a better image... Which is very important, because if you look good, you feel good, and if you feel good, you do good. There's nothing wrong with that you know."

Rogan: "You lift weights for looks?"

GSP: "Yeah, I lift weights for looks. Yeah, I am gonna admit it. Sometimes after I'm training, I'm gonna lift weights, but I'm not doing it because I'm gonna punch harder, or I'm gonna be stronger, because it has nothing to do with it. I'm doing it because you know, I want to to be like you know, have a good shape. I do it for myself."
 

Petrie

Banned
A lot of our advise is also so that people don't waste time repeating mistakes we've done ourselves. I would love to be 18-22 again and start training for the first time. Skinny fat or obese or whatever--it's an empty canvas.

I'm still new to this, but my god what I wouldn't give to have realized I wasn't just "stuck" with the scrawny person I was at 18 years old. I only imagine what I could have accomplished already had I had those years back and in the gym.

Oh well, onward!
 

Mr.City

Member
Reading over these last few posts, I think it really emphasize the need for a no-nonsense approach to strengthening and conditioning. I see a lot of guys who started off in the gym with an issue of Men's Health or Flex or whatever bodybuilding bullshit is out on the market, they play around, talk about listening to their body. Unfortunately, people either see no results (and give up), get beat up from not knowing about form or programming, or they get swole as shit, aka the genetic freaks.

I've seen dudes (a lot of them black for some reason) doing the stupidest shit in the gym, like 5x5 squats 3 times a week or high-rep deadlifts done to failure, and they look omega jacked. What happens then is these guys, having duked it out in the trenches, tell their tale like a template. This usually leads to things like "Squats are bad for your knees" "don't eat any carbs" "switch it up!" Switch it up is usually spouted when someone has trained themselves into the ground or can't lift a proper way and so switching to a different form of the exercise all of a sudden relieves the pain. For example, I saw a dude benching the lower 300s with half ROM with a wide grip that didn't produce vertical foreams at the bottom of his bench. I asked why he cut the movement so short, and sure enough ,it was due to him nursing a wrist injury, most likely produced by the lever arm that his forearm angle created.

Why am I posting this diatribe? Well, it gets very frustrating when I read on the internet and deal with it in real life about the various misinformation regarding exercise and nutrition. Eating carbs past 7pm will fuck you up forever. Deadlifting will destroy your spin. Yoga will make you lean and toned unlike those awful weights that make you beeg and bolky. It seems like much of the misinformation is built upon fear, and the idea that your body immediately and drastically reacts to any dietary or exercise changes you make, like your metabolism shutting down if you don't eat breakfast.

I like Szu's story because it shows what happens when you listen to the magazines and the big guys in the gym. He's made a lot of progress but could have avoided a lot of headaches had someone with a straight head been able to lay out the basics. Right now, I'm reading an issue of Men's Health and it's suggesting you shed fat and build music by doing 4 randomly assorted bodyweight exercises in a quick circuit. They talk about lean and jacked by eating like a bird. One article, in particular, says if you walk around all day while hungry and eat one big meal, then you're basically in starvation body and your body is going to store all of it as fat. Don't tell that to Mark Berham of Leangains, or anyone doing the Warrior Diet, or me who does LG and a modified protein sparing diet who shouldn't be losing weight at all. The article implies that bodies respond like a bear's does hibernation, that our RMR shoots waaaay down if you don't eat all day, and then you need to "burn off" your food before the night time because apparently your body does fuck all, in terms of metabolic activity, during the waking hours before your bedtime meal.
 

Enco

Member
Yup. Lots of misinformation and stupidity.

Saw a girl doing triceps on a machine (pull down or something) and she was making ZERO effort. She was using the lightest weight and you could clearly see that it was by no means taxing on her what so ever. There's no way that session helped her out in any way.

I also saw some intense sway back doing machine curls. Almost 70-80 degrees bent back.
 
For shit and giggles, I watched Biggest Loser last night. Ya, misinformation is all over the place and there's no end in sight. One of the contestants even used to do olympic lifts and should know better, but she was just putting herself down for only being able to do 50 lb push presses. Of course in a circuit the way they are doing it, you can't lift what you'd lift when doing olympic lift training. I wonder how many people their workouts end up injuring.
 
For shit and giggles, I watched Biggest Loser last night. Ya, misinformation is all over the place and there's no end in sight. One of the contestants even used to do olympic lifts and should know better, but she was just putting herself down for only being able to do 50 lb push presses. Of course in a circuit the way they are doing it, you can't lift what you'd lift when doing olympic lift training. I wonder how many people their workouts end up injuring.
I love watching Mtv's I Used To Be Fat for the same reason. So much dumb shit there a lot of the time, especially when its a girl trying to lose weight.
 

rage1973

Member
A lot of our advise is also so that people don't waste time repeating mistakes we've done ourselves. I would love to be 18-22 again and start training for the first time. Skinny fat or obese or whatever--it's an empty canvas.
Exactly what I would give to be able to recover and grow during my early 20's days. Most of my later 20s was wasted with 0 exercise and partying too much.
 

Szu

Member
For shit and giggles, I watched Biggest Loser last night. Ya, misinformation is all over the place and there's no end in sight. One of the contestants even used to do olympic lifts and should know better, but she was just putting herself down for only being able to do 50 lb push presses. Of course in a circuit the way they are doing it, you can't lift what you'd lift when doing olympic lift training. I wonder how many people their workouts end up injuring.

Yeah, the show is ok from an entertainment standpoint. Honestly, for a million dollars, I would find a way to lose 300 lbs from my 185 lbs frame.
 

JB1981

Member
Not sure I will squat or deadlift again for maybe a year or never. Going to create a routine that consists of machines and isolation movements. I am tired of feeling like a cripple.
 

MrOogieBoogie

BioShock Infinite is like playing some homeless guy's vivid imagination
Pro-tip: don't do multiple sets of walking handstands in one day.

I fucked up my goddamn back during my last workout. For some reason I thought it would be a good idea to incorporate some handstand walking into my routine, but I didn't realize the level of stress this would have on my lower back. After about five sets (walking the length of a basketball court), I felt a sharp pain in my lower back. I can pinpoint the exact spot with my hands, and if I apply pressure it'll hurt. Hopefully it goes away soon because it's hard for me to do anything that involves bending my lower back (I guess what happened during the handstands was that my momentum drove my legs a bit too far in front, thereby causing my back to bend more than usual).

Any kind of injury really sucks.
 
Not sure I will squat or deadlift again for maybe a year or never. Going to create a routine that consists of machines and isolation movements. I am tired of feeling like a cripple.
You mainly have the lower back problem or are there other injuries? I had replaced squats with leg presses (ya I know) but then took those out after reading McGill's condemnation of sitting exercises. Now it's just lunges, split squats and lots of stair/hill runs for my legs. I know I've lost strength, but whatever--back health is more important than legs, and the stair runs are actually useful to every day life. I'm probably never going to need to push big weights with my legs. I do miss it though. I body squat sometimes, but slow and not high rep.

For back, I'm doing chest protected rows, chin ups, and standing cable rows/face pulls. I think that's enough for me right now. I swim a lot also.

I miss deads and bb squats though, and once in a while I'll dl 135 for reps just for fun. It's not challenging at all but it's nice to just do the movement sometimes. I'm not supposed to though, so I probably won't again for a while.
 

JB1981

Member
You mainly have the lower back problem or are there other injuries? I had replaced squats with leg presses (ya I know) but then took those out after reading McGill's condemnation of sitting exercises. Now it's just lunges, split squats and lots of stair/hill runs for my legs. I know I've lost strength, but whatever--back health is more important than legs, and the stair runs are actually useful to every day life. I'm probably never going to need to push big weights with my legs. I do miss it though. I body squat sometimes, but slow and not high rep.

For back, I'm doing chest protected rows, chin ups, and standing cable rows/face pulls. I think that's enough for me right now. I swim a lot also.

I miss deads and bb squats though, and once in a while I'll dl 135 for reps just for fun. It's not challenging at all but it's nice to just do the movement sometimes. I'm not supposed to though, so I probably won't again for a while.

It's the low back and it just keeps getting worse. I can't even deadlift 135lbs these days without feeling like a cripple the next morning. I'm talking severe inflammation and irritation, popping advil like mad. It's not even worth trying anymore. I know it's not a form issue either. I have a serious deficiency there and I think I need to give it about a year of healing without loading (and maybe consider surgery).

In the meantime, it is probably best that I start adding McGill exercises into my every day routine and stay active through other means (swimming, machines where I don't have to pick weight up off the floor, moving dumbbells around etc.). I can still bench, but I have to put my legs up on the bench and keep my back flat. I can't tolerate arching the back, as prescribed in Starting Strength.

What are chest-protected rows, parrot?
 

Szu

Member
Pro-tip: don't do multiple sets of walking handstands in one day.

I fucked up my goddamn back during my last workout. For some reason I thought it would be a good idea to incorporate some handstand walking into my routine, but I didn't realize the level of stress this would have on my lower back. After about five sets (walking the length of a basketball court), I felt a sharp pain in my lower back. I can pinpoint the exact spot with my hands, and if I apply pressure it'll hurt. Hopefully it goes away soon because it's hard for me to do anything that involves bending my lower back (I guess what happened during the handstands was that my momentum drove my legs a bit too far in front, thereby causing my back to bend more than usual).

Any kind of injury really sucks.

Still sounds awesome, though.

Oh and made me think of him.

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It's the low back and it just keeps getting worse. I can't even deadlift 135lbs these days without feeling like a cripple the next morning. I'm talking severe inflammation and irritation, popping advil like mad. It's not even worth trying anymore. I know it's not a form issue either. I have a serious deficiency there and I think I need to give it about a year of healing without loading (and maybe consider surgery).

In the meantime, it is probably best that I start adding McGill exercises into my every day routine and stay active through other means (swimming, machines where I don't have to pick weight up off the floor, moving dumbbells around etc.). I can still bench, but I have to put my legs up on the bench and keep my back flat. I can't tolerate arching the back, as prescribed in Starting Strength.

What are chest-protected rows, parrot?
Damn, that sucks man. Is surgery an option?

Ya, I have days when I don't want to pick up any weights, even to load something. Those days I'll do pushups, chins, and swim and maybe run.

Chest protected row is this:

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JB1981

Member
Damn, that sucks man. Is surgery an option?

Ya, I have days when I don't want to pick up any weights, even to load something. Those days I'll do pushups, chins, and swim and maybe run.

Chest protected row is this:

chestsupport2.jpg

Oh man I haven't done these in a very long time but remember hating them with a passion. They don't bother your back?
 
Oh man I haven't done these in a very long time but remember hating them with a passion. They don't bother your back?
Loading the plates can be a pain. I've skipped it just because of that in the last month, but the movement itself doesn't hurt my back. Someone here recommended them to me after I said bb rows were too hard on my lower back.
 
What I find interesting is if this was a new guy that posted a routine like that, he would quickly be told to read the OP and so on. I know you somewhat answered this a few posts back but have you ever focused on compound lifts in your first few years?

he's been lifting for what, 13 years?
 
Awesome szu. You give me great motivation, along with scooby1961. I see guys like you two and I no longer worry about getting older.

It feels good to no longer worry about age. Im 21 but I plan on weight lifting and exercising for the rest of my life.
 

thomaser

Member
I fucked up my goddamn back during my last workout. For some reason I thought it would be a good idea to incorporate some handstand walking into my routine, but I didn't realize the level of stress this would have on my lower back. After about five sets (walking the length of a basketball court), I felt a sharp pain in my lower back. I can pinpoint the exact spot with my hands, and if I apply pressure it'll hurt. Hopefully it goes away soon because it's hard for me to do anything that involves bending my lower back (I guess what happened during the handstands was that my momentum drove my legs a bit too far in front, thereby causing my back to bend more than usual).

I got a similar injury three weeks back, but from a much less interesting reason. I was at work, sat down in a squat, and extended my arm to pick up something by the floor. Bang, instant back pain and no heavy training for a week. Could barely sit down in my car or bend forward in any way. Resting took care of it, but I still feel sore at the same spot now and then, especially after doing squats.
 

Szu

Member
Awesome szu. You give me great motivation, along with scooby1961. I see guys like you two and I no longer worry about getting older.

It feels good to no longer worry about age. Im 21 but I plan on weight lifting and exercising for the rest of my life.

Cool, let me make you feel even better.

I was sort of an active chubby kid. Think Sammo Hung, but not as gifted, agile, and/or coordinated. I fooled around with weights in college but I never pushed myself and no workout lasted more than two months at any given time. I just played video games (still do, but to a lesser degree) and lounged around most of the time.

After college, I didn't do any kind of workout for years. I also started working full-time, so I couldn't see myself finding time to do anything else.

In 1999, at the age of 26, I finally decided to join a gym. However, I didn't truly focus on training until I was 28.

So, you've got a good head start on me.

Edit: BTW, get off my lawn!
 

abuC

Member
Oh man I haven't done these in a very long time but remember hating them with a passion. They don't bother your back?




Be careful not to go too heavy with the t-bar row, you will feel some pressure on your lower back with 4 plates or more.
 
I love watching Mtv's I Used To Be Fat for the same reason. So much dumb shit there a lot of the time, especially when its a girl trying to lose weight.
Oh and during the show, this Planet Fitness commercial aired. First time I'd seen one.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3FGZvFZdVbk

I honestly don't understand their marketing strategy. Do that many people really dislike weightlifters enough to sign up to a gym based on there not being any "lunkheads"?
 

Brolic Gaoler

formerly Alienshogun
I hate being in class for 10 hours. And sitting on my ass all day is not helping my DOMS from Mondays Squats session of doom. Sure isn't going to help deadlifts tomorrow.

Deadbeef save me!
 
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