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This may not be the best place to ask, but I've recently began training for a half marathon and am suddenly experiencing knee pain outside the gym. I'd been running about 4 miles a day, 4-5 times a week, and this past week went up to 5, then 6.5, then back down to 5, and suddenly experienced knee pain and severe exhaustion.

What would be a good start to some leg exercises to strengthen the abductors and area around the knees? I did squats yesterday, but they tore my legs apart and I doubt I'm going to be able to get in a good run today as a result. Any ideas?
 

Brolic Gaoler

formerly Alienshogun
This may not be the best place to ask, but I've recently began training for a half marathon and am suddenly experiencing knee pain outside the gym. I'd been running about 4 miles a day, 4-5 times a week, and this past week went up to 5, then 6.5, then back down to 5, and suddenly experienced knee pain and severe exhaustion.

What would be a good start to some leg exercises to strengthen the abductors and area around the knees? I did squats yesterday, but they tore my legs apart and I doubt I'm going to be able to get in a good run today as a result. Any ideas?

You did what I would have advised.

Knee pain killed my running days and the more you run on an injured knee the worse it gets until you stop. (At least from my experience).
 

Brolic Gaoler

formerly Alienshogun
Do you think building the muscles in my legs will help or did the pain persist in your case?

Definitely helped. I had bad knee and lower back pain after the military and my running days. Squats and deadlifting pretty much fixed both issues. But I don't run much anymore, and when I do it's sprints.
 

IceCold

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this guy is amazing..

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a3BHTexj__U

http://bodybuildersinc.yuku.com/topic/3143#.Txf_82_rrUc

That's crazy. It almost looks like it's fake and someone photoshoped his arm out.
 

MrToughPants

Brian Burke punched my mom
Excuse my ignorance, but what makes that different than a standard skullcrusher? The explosive movement? It doesn't seem like he's getting the depth for LTE (although he is going deeper than a skullcrusher does).

Less stress on the elbow joint. He's doing them on the floor of course his ROM will be short...
 
My body is oh so beat up. I feel like I am coming down with something. I just want to finish out this week strong then take it easy next week. Lift lighter and then go back to my normal routine the following week.
 

MjFrancis

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I've added light LTE's at the end of my pressing days just because they're awesome finishers. The triceps extension/pullover combination is pretty darn sweet. It's been a while since I've done stuff that could be construed as more of a bodybuilding movement than a strength or conditioning movement.

It's fun.
 

Brolic Gaoler

formerly Alienshogun
I've added light LTE's at the end of my pressing days just because they're awesome finishers. The triceps extension/pullover combination is pretty darn sweet. It's been a while since I've done stuff that could be construed as more of a bodybuilding movement than a strength or conditioning movement.

It's fun.

They were definitely one of my favorite exercises.

My body is oh so beat up. I feel like I am coming down with something. I just want to finish out this week strong then take it easy next week. Lift lighter and then go back to my normal routine the following week.

If it's not contagious I'd just push through it.

I had a wicked bad sinus infection the last two weeks and just powered through it. It's pretty much gone now and didn't effect my routine at all.
 
My body is oh so beat up. I feel like I am coming down with something. I just want to finish out this week strong then take it easy next week. Lift lighter and then go back to my normal routine the following week.
Take a rest if you feel you are going to be sick. No need to toughen it out, and risk spreading it to other people in the gym.

Of course, if you are just tired just suck it up.
 

Kwhit10

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Hey guys,

I've been lurking this thread for a while. And since my account has been activated thought I would participate.

Right now I'm working on my goal of gaining 12 pounds while building muscle during that time.

I'm between 6' and 6'1 my weight at the time fluctuate from 165-170 but mostly about 168. So I'm trying to get up to 180lbs.

I've been eating at least 3200 calories a day (some days it goes up to 3700).

This is typically what I eat in a given day:

Breakfast (5:30am)
3-4 eggs
either sausage(2 patties) or bacon (3 strips)
half a russert potato
coffee with cream and sugar

9am:
either a peanut butter and jelly sandwich on 12 grain bread
or a turkey, bacon, and avacado sandwich

Lunch (noon):
Apple
pudding or yogurt
Either: meat + veggies left over from dinner or Meat + Bean chili or Tuna + wheat pasta with mayo, onions, green peppers and celery

I then work out starting at about 4-4:30 3 times a week

Dinner (post workout)
Meat (chicken thighs, breast, steak, or ground turkey)
veggies + either rice or potatos

+ 12oz whole milk with 1-2 scp of protein powder, two scoops ice cream, banana (or avocado), and peanut butter.

Eating that generally gets me to me calorie goal.

As for working out it's based on SS.

Right now these are where I am
Squat: 250 3x5
DL: 300 1x5
BP: 200 3x5
OHP:115 3x5

I also do
single arm DB rows (75lbs 3x5) I started trying out pendlay rows (learned from this thread)
LTE's
Pull ups and chin ups to failure (first set I usually can get 15-20).

Comments, tips, suggestions? I look forward to being part of fitnessGAF.
 
This may not be the best place to ask, but I've recently began training for a half marathon and am suddenly experiencing knee pain outside the gym. I'd been running about 4 miles a day, 4-5 times a week, and this past week went up to 5, then 6.5, then back down to 5, and suddenly experienced knee pain and severe exhaustion.

What would be a good start to some leg exercises to strengthen the abductors and area around the knees? I did squats yesterday, but they tore my legs apart and I doubt I'm going to be able to get in a good run today as a result. Any ideas?

Get your hands on a foam roller and roll out all the tissues above and below your knee - quads, hamstrings, IT band (attaches at the hip and runs along the side of your thigh to the knee), calves (front and back). I'm guessing you're pretty tight in those areas.
 

MrToughPants

Brian Burke punched my mom
His point is it's leaving out the portion of ROM that makes doing LTEs worth doing, and that involves the shoulder movement.

The stretch from tricep pullovers isn't making much of a difference on the long head which LTEs already hit. The momentum you create with the pullover just recruits more lats. CGBP and dips already hit the long head heavily as a compound movement. If you want to isolate a certain part of the tricep it's certainly the medial and lateral heads which are hit properly with LTEs. I don't care what you've heard from a Mark Rippetoe video strict/regular tricep extensions are worth doing.
 

goldenpp72

Member
So here is an update on my progress, i've been at the gym about a month now. I have spent a lot of time trying to perfect my form, with mixed results but I feel i'm in a better place then I ever have been in terms of knowing how to do the right movements. That said, I weighed myself and I have put on about 10 pounds (from 155 to 165)

This is mixed with my stomach definitely getting fatter (pants aren't fitting as loose) but I have seen some gains in my lift numbers as well. Am I gaining too much body fat at this rate? I've been drinking a good deal of 2 percent milk mixed with some normal food and healthy food, but packing on 10 pounds in a month seems a bit much.

Still it's nice to add some figures to the weights as well, though I have only increased maybe 10 pounds on movements like the bench, dead lift or squat (the squat being iffy since I go down a lot deeper than I once did)

Any tips? should I cut back on the eating, or anything, and when is it a good time to cut?
 

ezrarh

Member
Hey guys,


As for working out it's based on SS.

Right now these are where I am
Squat: 250 3x5
DL: 300 1x5
BP: 200 3x5
OHP:115 3x5

I also do
single arm DB rows (75lbs 3x5) I started trying out pendlay rows (learned from this thread)
LTE's
Pull ups and chin ups to failure (first set I usually can get 15-20).

Comments, tips, suggestions? I look forward to being part of fitnessGAF.

Welcome! Everything looks good so far. How long have you been lifting on SS? And since it seems like you're just starting out, it'd be cool if you did before/after pictures to show what kind of progress you can get on SS.
 

Cheeto

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I can not squat for shit... It's getting on my nerves. My lifts are all so out of balance. I'm pulling almost 500lbs, pressing 300lbs, but I struggle breaking 250lb atg squat. I do all the big lifts once a week... maybe I should squat 3 times a week for awhile and back off other lifts to help it catch up?
 

Kwhit10

Member
Welcome! Everything looks good so far. How long have you been lifting on SS? And since it seems like you're just starting out, it'd be cool if you did before/after pictures to show what kind of progress you can get on SS.

I've been going to the gym in spurts for about 4 years. I've really started doing a specific routine about a month ago, and actually eating the calories I need to gain weight since after christmas.

So I wouldn't say I was starting from scratch with the program, I did squats and deadlifts off and on since summer 2011. So the only really new thing I'm doing is keeping to the routine and doing OHP, which I've definitely noticed my shoulders have gotten wider just from the month I've been doing them.

Since New Years I've gained 4lbs, I've always stayed at a certain weight no matter what I ate in the past. So gaining the weight has seemed to be the hardest part so far.
 

rage1973

Member
I can not squat for shit... It's getting on my nerves. My lifts are all so out of balance. I'm pulling almost 500lbs, pressing 300lbs, but I struggle breaking 250lb atg squat. I do all the big lifts once a week... maybe I should squat 3 times a week for awhile and back off other lifts to help it catch up?

Did you try some assistance lift for squat?
Try to find out where your weakness is on the squat lift and add some assistance reps to your workout. I would also try to squat twice a week.
 

Cheeto

Member
Did you try some assistance lift for squat?
Try to find out where your weakness is on the squat lift and add some assistance reps to your workout. I would also try to squat twice a week.

Like what? I've been thinking about doing some glute-ham raises
 

MrToughPants

Brian Burke punched my mom
I can not squat for shit... It's getting on my nerves. My lifts are all so out of balance. I'm pulling almost 500lbs, pressing 300lbs, but I struggle breaking 250lb atg squat. I do all the big lifts once a week... maybe I should squat 3 times a week for awhile and back off other lifts to help it catch up?

Have you been doing front squat? If you are doing full squats you'll need some strength in the quads. I like to alternate BS/FS/BS. Russian squat routine is also a nice change of pace and a good way to add some pounds on the bar, depending on what your squat routine is currently.

Can I do LTE's with a barbell? I've always seen them done with an ez bar, but I don't have one.

Bb is less comfortable due to the angle of your wrists, which can bend back. You can use a DB and do any variation of extensions for similar effect.
 

Cheeto

Member
Have you been doing front squat? If you are doing full squats you'll need some strength in the quads. I like to alternate BS/FS/BS. Russian squat routine is also a nice change of pace and a good way to add some pounds on the bar, depending on what your squat routine is currently.
Hm, I've never done front squats... maybe this is the ticket.
 

Brolic Gaoler

formerly Alienshogun
I'm not sure big but boring is sustainable. This shit is literally kicking my ass. I almost didn't maintain consciousness in the gym today, and that's not an understatement. This shit is brutal.


I can not squat for shit... It's getting on my nerves. My lifts are all so out of balance. I'm pulling almost 500lbs, pressing 300lbs, but I struggle breaking 250lb atg squat. I do all the big lifts once a week... maybe I should squat 3 times a week for awhile and back off other lifts to help it catch up?

That's really weird. My lifts are out of whack too, but your squats are more out of whack than mine. Any idea how that happened?

Can I do LTE's with a barbell? I've always seen them done with an ez bar, but I don't have one.

Yeah, when I did them I would do them with a barbell from time to time. It's just easier on the elbow/wrists to use an EZ bar.
 

Brolic Gaoler

formerly Alienshogun
Oh stop crying, it's been 3 days

It feels like an eternity! Hold me!


At least lower body is done for this week, and next week is lower reps.

Thank fucking god.


Funny thing is the guy I always talk to in the gym was like "What are you maxing out?" as a joke when I was doing my DL assistance (180 5x10), then I explained to him the program.

Then I as I was leaving he said "Just deadlifts?!?!? and looked at the clock. I just shrugged and left, lol.
 

Mr.City

Member
I can not squat for shit... It's getting on my nerves. My lifts are all so out of balance. I'm pulling almost 500lbs, pressing 300lbs, but I struggle breaking 250lb atg squat. I do all the big lifts once a week... maybe I should squat 3 times a week for awhile and back off other lifts to help it catch up?

Very odd. You clearly are eating for recovery and don't suffer from hormone imbalances. Are you squatting high bar or low bar? Where do you fail on the squat?

Hey guys,

I've been lurking this thread for a while. And since my account has been activated thought I would participate.

Right now I'm working on my goal of gaining 12 pounds while building muscle during that time.

I'm between 6' and 6'1 my weight at the time fluctuate from 165-170 but mostly about 168. So I'm trying to get up to 180lbs.

I've been eating at least 3200 calories a day (some days it goes up to 3700).

This is typically what I eat in a given day:

This is great work.


Shogun, did you just jump at 5x10 on BBB?
 

blackflag

Member
I can not squat for shit... It's getting on my nerves. My lifts are all so out of balance. I'm pulling almost 500lbs, pressing 300lbs, but I struggle breaking 250lb atg squat. I do all the big lifts once a week... maybe I should squat 3 times a week for awhile and back off other lifts to help it catch up?

Welcome to the club man. I can pull over 400 and press at least 270. I don't test 1rm so I'm not sure exactly.

But 220 5x5 on squat destroys me. I'm assuming it is probably form related but I don't know. I don't think squatting 3x a week will help because that is what I do and I am starting to think that is part of my problem. Not enough recovery between squats. I was thinking about dropping it down to 2 times per week and seeing how it goes.
 

Mr.City

Member
I can't type recently. I meant, Jump on, as in, you went full out into 5x10 instead of making easing into 3x10 and then raising it up to 4x10 the next week, and so on.
 

blackflag

Member
It feels like an eternity! Hold me!


At least lower body is done for this week, and next week is lower reps.

Thank fucking god.


Funny thing is the guy I always talk to in the gym was like "What are you maxing out?" as a joke when I was doing my DL assistance (180 5x10), then I explained to him the program.

Then I as I was leaving he said "Just deadlifts?!?!? and looked at the clock. I just shrugged and left, lol.

I just read up on that program. It actually sounds like something I've been looking for, a good mix of strength training and hypertrophy. Going to stick to what I'm doing for as long as I can though. I think I'm very close to having to deload on everything except Pendlay rows and overhead press anyway. Maybe when I have to deload everything, I'll give this a shot.
 

Brolic Gaoler

formerly Alienshogun
I just read up on that program. It actually sounds like something I've been looking for, a good mix of strength training and hypertrophy. Going to stick to what I'm doing for as long as I can though. I think I'm very close to having to deload on everything except Pendlay rows and overhead press anyway. Maybe when I have to deload everything, I'll give this a shot.

Well I have the book digitally, so if you have any questions the answer is just a CTRL+F away. ;)

I love it so far, but it's my first week. And big but boring assistance is definitely an ass kicker. It's simple as hell and gets the job done.
 
God, BBB is brutal. With squats, I try 5x10 @50% with 90 seconds rest between sets. FFFFFUUUUUUUUUU

Deadlifts are hit or miss--sometimes my lower back can't take 5x10, so I'll switch to GM's every other workout.
 

Brolic Gaoler

formerly Alienshogun
God, BBB is brutal. With squats, I try 5x10 @50% with 90 seconds rest between sets. FFFFFUUUUUUUUUU

Deadlifts are hit or miss--sometimes my lower back can't take 5x10, so I'll switch to GM's every other workout.

Thank god someone here can share my pain! Deadbeef is an emotional corpse! And he never returns my calls. ;)


Oh, deadbeef, grats on your new bench press PR bud. (275)
 

rage1973

Member
Like what? I've been thinking about doing some glute-ham raises

Depends on where you are failing in the squat. Here is a post from fitocracy on the issue.


Out the hole:
Movement is initiated by the vastus medialis but the limiting factor is normally the glutes and hamstrings.

Parallel and above:
If you're finding you're stalling here or falling forwards to squat-morning it up, you probably have a weakness in your glutes and quads.


You have weak glutes if you:
Round your low back during deadlifts to make the back conduct the lift rather than the hips and legs.
Round your upper back during deadlifts. This can be acceptable, though…many strong powerlifters do this because they can’t push their conventional deadlift max up further if they kept their upper back arched.)
Let your hips rise first in the squat thereby turning the lift into a “squat morning”.
Suck at locking out your deadlifts.
Stop short or hyperextend the low back during the deadlift lockout.
Don’t have much power out of the hole when squatting.
Let your knees cave inward during squats or sumo deadlifts.
Suck at hip thrusts, glute bridges, and pull-throughs and feel them all in the low back and hamstrings.
Have minimal glute hypertrophy.
(obviously)
Never feel your glutes turn on or don’t feel soreness in them from squats or lunges.

You have weak hamstrings if you:
Have trouble sitting back in a squat.
Don’t have good starting strength in the deadlift, where the most difficult part is getting it off the floor.
Suck at arched back good mornings, RDLs, back extensions, 45-degree hypers, and reverse hypers.
Sink like a ship during Russian leg curls and find yourself cheating like crazy during glute ham raises.
Try to “squat” the weight up when doing rack pulls rather than “stiff leg deadlifting” the weight up.
Are much better at trap bar deadlifts than conventional deadlifts.
Can raw squat more than you can conventional deadlift.
Can sumo deadlift way more than you can conventional deadlift.

You have weak quads if you:
Turn every squat into a “squat morning,” especially as the weight gets heavy (this could also be due to weak glutes and/or weak thoracic extensors).
Suck at front squats, Olympic high bar full squats, barbell Bulgarian squats, barbell step-ups, and barbell lunges
Can stiff leg deadlift pretty much the same weight as you can conventional deadlift.
Can conventional deadlift way more than you can squat.

You have weak thoracic extensors if you:
Have trouble keeping the chest up during squats and good mornings.
Suck at thoracic extensions.
Kick ass at movements that isolate the hips and legs, such as belt squats or hip thrusts, but suck ass when the bar is on your back or in your hands.

You have weak abdominals if you:
Round your low back during deadlifts (this could also be weak glutes and poor hamstring flexibility).
Experience your abs literally caving in when you deadlift heavy (which can be seen when you deadlift with your shirt off).
Suck at ab-wheel rollouts, weighted planks, side planks, straight leg sit-ups, side bends, landmines, and hanging leg raises.
Can squat way more when you wear a belt than when you don’t wear one.
 

JB1981

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I can not squat for shit... It's getting on my nerves. My lifts are all so out of balance. I'm pulling almost 500lbs, pressing 300lbs, but I struggle breaking 250lb atg squat. I do all the big lifts once a week... maybe I should squat 3 times a week for awhile and back off other lifts to help it catch up?

Stop squatting ATG.
 

SeanR1221

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Monday, Wednesday, Saturday.

I usually work until 6:45 on Fridays, eat, then go out with friends so it's difficult to make it to the gym then.
 

Cheeto

Member
Very odd. You clearly are eating for recovery and don't suffer from hormone imbalances. Are you squatting high bar or low bar? Where do you fail on the squat?

Well, I've never failed... but when I get to a certain weight (like 245-265 depending on how I feel that day) my knees have a tendency to want to buckle inward on the way up once I get to parallel. Usually I force them out with concentration but they do travel on some reps. So I've been really slow to really push myself to higher weights because I don't feel like I have the lift under control like I do in other lifts.

Stop squatting ATG.

What? Why?
 

JB1981

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Well, I've never failed... but when I get to a certain weight (like 245-265 depending on how I feel that day) my knees have a tendency to want to buckle inward on the way up once I get to parallel. Usually I force them out with concentration but they do travel on some reps. So I've been really slow to really push myself to higher weights because I don't feel like I have the lift under control like I do in other lifts.



What? Why?

There's no reason for it if you are training for strength. When you say ATG do you literally mean ATG? The method generally recommended by this board is based on Rippetoe's SS which does NOT prescribe ATG squat. Depth is just below parallel and no deeper. If you are really going ATG then that likely one of the main reasons why your squat numbers are suffering.

What are your warm up sets like?
 

Cheeto

Member
There's no reason for it if you are training for strength. When you say ATG do you literally mean ATG? The method generally recommended by this board is based on Rippetoe's SS which does NOT prescribe ATG squat. Depth is just below parallel and no deeper. If you are really going ATG then that is why your squat numbers are suffering.

I go as deep as I can go, which is about 35-45 degrees below parallel. I feel it helps my sports performance.

Oh and Mr. City, I definitely do not have an eating issue. I have no problem with appetite and I eat way over maintenance. Like 4-6k calories. I pack too much on the waist to be an underwear model, but I still wear size 34-36 jeans... but who cares I'm married.
 
I read the OP, hallelujah - praise be to the OP forever and ever!
Tremble, O earth, at the presence of the OP!
May the enemies of the OP be vanquished for their wickedness and blasphemy against the name of the OP... AMEN!

So I've been doing the Overhead Press in addition to the other fun stuff our Lord and Savior, the OP has told me.

But my wrists have been getting real tight afterward and they kinda hurt. Will my dainty wrists strengthen over time or am I doing something wrong?

Bless you all - vessels of the great OP!
 
I read the OP, hallelujah - praise be to the OP forever and ever!
Tremble, O earth, at the presence of the OP!
May the enemies of the OP be vanquished for their wickedness and blasphemy against the name of the OP... AMEN!

So I've been doing the Overhead Press in addition to the other fun stuff our Lord and Savior, the OP has told me.

But my wrists have been getting real tight afterward and they kinda hurt. Will my dainty wrists strengthen over time or am I doing something wrong?

Bless you all - vessels of the great OP!

Wrist strength will increase over time but part of it could be bad form. You aren't suppose to have your wrists 'curl back' as you are lifting, if that makes any sense.
 
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