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Fitness |OT3| BroScience, Protein Dysentery, XXL Calf Implants, and Squat Rack Hogs

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Clott

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The rep records are probably what kept me on the program for so damn long. If nothing else the basic philosophy of emphasizing big, compound movements, starting too light, progressing slowly and breaking personal records should be the foundation of any strength program, not just 5/3/1.

I don't think I'll ever ascribe to any program that isn't built on those four tenants. Wendler had a great idea and I'm glad he's been successful for it.

Exactly the opposite for me, since I embraced reverse piramid training or starting with my heaviest set first I have been getting crazy gains. Never going back
 

KAL2006

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those are beginner gains, which you also would have made if youve lifted gallons of milk bags.

But yeah, you probably do 1) too many isolation exercises and 2) dont eat enough. Thats why you are stuck. Eat more and switch to the big movements (bench press, squats, deadlifts). If you want you can always do those curls afterwards.

The days I do Back, Chest and Shoulders I do big movements such as bench press, shoulder press and deadlifts. However the reason I do extra Bi's and Tri's is that my arms are skinny in comparison to my overall body. As for eating, I don't want to put on too much fat as I have a bit of a belly and bum.
 

entremet

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For leangains guys, any ideas on huge, post workout meals. Martin mentions that most your calories should come post workout. I've been doing just tons of meat and rice, mexican style.


The days I do Back, Chest and Shoulders I do big movements such as bench press, shoulder press and deadlifts. However the reason I do extra Bi's and Tri's is that my arms are skinny in comparison to my overall body. As for eating, I don't want to put on too much fat as I have a bit of a belly and bum.

Ironically, focusing on arms ain't gonna make them bigger by default. As you get strong with the compound movements eat well your arms will get bigger.

I mention this a lot, but someone that can bench 225 or press 140 plus for reps ain't gonna have skinny arms.
 

KAL2006

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For leangains guys, any ideas on huge, post workout meals. Martin mentions that most your calories should come post workout. I've been doing just tons of meat and rice, mexican style.




Ironically, focusing on arms ain't gonna make them bigger by default. As you get strong with the compound movements eat well your arms will get bigger.

I mention this a lot, but someone that can bench 225 or press 140 plus for reps ain't gonna have skinny arms.

So shall I stop doing Bi's and Tri's workouts
 

reilo

learning some important life lessons from magical Negroes
So shall I stop doing Bi's and Tri's workouts

No, those can be used to improve your compound exercises. Think of it as accessory work, just don't make it your primary workout. That should be your bench/press/whatever.

For example, I do dips and pull-ups at the end of my workout on Monday and Wednesday (Mon: Dips, Wed: Pull-ups) as accessory work to try and improve my bench and press.
 

Brolic Gaoler

formerly Alienshogun
Started 5/3/1 today after seeing all the talk here about it. Holy shit those 5 sets of 10 at 50% 1RM are gnarly.

Yeah, big but boring will make a man out of you.

I think 5/3/1 is really what you make of it. The nebulous rep count in the last set encourages laziness. A weak mind or weak body results in a too many 3 and 1 days ending with exactly that many reps. Wendler says "moving north of vag" is what makes the program work and I agree. Grinding out everything you've got on the last set is the difference between making big gains or little ones.

Yeah, if you're just doing the bare minimum on the last set, you're not doing the program right.

As for Wendler, here's exactly what he says about it.
Wendler said:
I’ve always thought of doing the prescribed reps as simply testing your strength. Anything over and above that builds strength, muscle and character. Doing the prescribed reps shows you and your body that you’re strong enough for the workout. The extra reps are your way of dominating the workout and getting better.
 

MjFrancis

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Exactly the opposite for me, since I embraced reverse piramid training or starting with my heaviest set first I have been getting crazy gains. Never going back
What's suppose to be exactly the opposite? You're still going for rep records at everything you lift in a reverse pyramid cadence, no?
 

Timedog

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Okay, well I'm just gonna get raw fish oil instead of the caps. I'd rather just plug my nose and down it rather than deal with shitty caps. It's more cost effective that way too.
 

EviLore

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Okay, well I'm just gonna get raw fish oil instead of the caps. I'd rather just plug my nose and down it rather than deal with shitty caps. It's more cost effective that way too.

Good luck. I figured the same thing and bought the container of fish oil, poured a tablespoon, stared at it for a long time, then poured the bottle down the drain and went back to the pills ;b
 

Timedog

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Good luck. I figured the same thing and bought the container of fish oil, poured a tablespoon, stared at it for a long time, then poured the bottle down the drain and went back to the pills ;b

LOL, my mommy made me drink cod liver oil sometimes when I was a kid. If it's on that level of yuck I should able to grit through it. We'll see
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Need some advice. Started a diet and P90X today. Main goal is weight loss, but muscle would be nice as well. I'm a VERY busy guy and want to put meal replacement shakes and bars to use. I want the shakes to be pre-made to where I can just grab one and go. I need suggestions on what to buy.

I hear the Quest bars are great. Lots of protein and fiber with little carbs. I also bought a case of Muscle Milk to give it a shot. Anyone have anything better than these two? I hear Quest is really good, but I'm assuming there's something better than Muscle Milk.
 

samven582

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Need some advice. Started a diet and P90X today. Main goal is weight loss, but muscle would be nice as well. I'm a VERY busy guy and want to put meal replacement shakes and bars to use. I want the shakes to be pre-made to where I can just grab one and go. I need suggestions on what to buy.

I hear the Quest bars are great. Lots of protein and fiber with little carbs. I also bought a case of Muscle Milk to give it a shot. Anyone have anything better than these two? I hear Quest is really good, but I'm assuming there's something better than Muscle Milk.

I would stay away from muscle milk

http://www.consumerreports.org/cro/...protein-drinks/what-our-tests-found/index.htm
 

Timedog

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MrOogieBoogie

BioShock Infinite is like playing some homeless guy's vivid imagination
Hey guys, just signed up for the Spartan Race being held here in NY this summer. This is my first marathon of any kind and I'm very excited. I'm already very fit, but I know I'm going to have to step my game up (especially in cardio) if I want to compete in this thing. Training should be grueling!

Speaking of cardio, what's the best way to go about building one's endurance? My lungs give way too quickly, especially in the colder weather, so I can't run for very long outdoors. But I hate treadmills. Any suggestions? Or is the kind of thing where you just keep doing it over and over and eventually your body adapts? I'm just wondering if there are any decent routines to follow to build that stamina besides "just running."
 

IceCold

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Okay, well I'm just gonna get raw fish oil instead of the caps. I'd rather just plug my nose and down it rather than deal with shitty caps. It's more cost effective that way too.

I take cod liver oil (I'm sure it's similar to fish oil). It doesn't taste bad at all. I take this:

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It's more expensive but I'm not going to go cheap with stuff that I put into my body.
 
I started lifting weights at the gym in the past 3 weeks. I've noticed that when I go, I get extremely exhausted and my muscles become very fatigued to where I struggle with the last set. However, I do not wake up sore the next day. Is this normal, or should I up the weight?
 

reilo

learning some important life lessons from magical Negroes
I need to get my arms stronger. Bench and arm work (pullups, dips, etc) is definitely my weak point. I want to set out a goal to be able to do 5 muscle ups within six months. Will see, I guess.
 

EviLore

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I started lifting weights at the gym in the past 3 weeks. I've noticed that when I go, I get extremely exhausted and my muscles become very fatigued to where I struggle with the last set. However, I do not wake up sore the next day. Is this normal, or should I up the weight?

Soreness is not necessarily indicative of progress. Progress is indicative of progress. Are you increasing your lifts and being successful?
 
Soreness is not necessarily indicative of progress. Progress is indicative of progress. Are you increasing your lifts and being successful?

I went up 5 pounds on each machine this week and did everything as usual. I'm not taking this extremely serious, but I like to think I'm not wasting my time completely.
 

X-Frame

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Good luck. I figured the same thing and bought the container of fish oil, poured a tablespoon, stared at it for a long time, then poured the bottle down the drain and went back to the pills ;b

Carlson's Liquid Fish Oil (Amazon) is the best liquid fish oil I have ever tasted. No fish oil burps, goes down very easy, and there's even a Cod Liver Oil version from the same company that tastes just as good, if not better.

It's what my parents are taking, though I haven't done the math to see if the liquid bottles are more cost effective than pills. It seems to be a bit expensive.
 

ianp622

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I have question about the milk diet? How do you deal with the GI upset (e.g. gas)

I find chocolate milk gives me less gas than regular milk, although I haven't found out why that would be the case. Try it out. Also, remember to space your consumption out, and drink milk with food when you can.
 
Quick question Bro gaf. I've been doing some hardcore low carb diet for months now, and weird question, but is having the low-carb energy drinks okay? Each can has 6g total of sugar [so not much].

Just wanted some thoughts on this as the energy drinks are full of vitamins, etc.
 

EviLore

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Quick question Bro gaf. I've been doing some hardcore low carb diet for months now, and weird question, but is having the low-carb energy drinks okay? Each can has 6g total of sugar [so not much].

Just wanted some thoughts on this as the energy drinks are full of vitamins, etc.

Don't drink anything with calories while you're trying to lose weight (I've done milk as a meal replacement before, but that's about it).

Sugar will interfere with your diet, and get your vitamins from food, it's not justification to down some nasty yellow chemical cocktail. If you feel you need caffeine, there are zero calorie options available.

I mean, if you really want to do it and it keeps you sane, by all means, six grams of any food is not going to stop your progress, but it's not helping you any.
 

X-Frame

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Francis, just ordered your dip belt for my house.

Slowly but surely I am obtaining everything I would need for a home gym that should last me for a long time. I was paying $102 a month to go to a gym where 80% of my exercises could've been done at home. Not worth it. I froze my membership for a couple months to test this out.
 

X-Frame

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Holy shit.

Exactly.

Huge fitness center with basketball courts, swimming, racquetball, cafe, studios, tennis courts, etc. Everything. I only use the gym. And in that, maybe 10% of the equipment. :(

I used to work there as a trainer, and all the trainers now are nice and take care of the place compared to other, cheaper gyms I tried which were a mess every time I arrived. So I re-joined.


But I always new as soon as I found the means to train at home at nearly the same capacity I would leave ASAP.
 
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Deleted member 12837

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I'm starting to have issues with keeping my wrists straight while doing standing OHP. At heavier weights they always start to bend back on my last couple of reps and when re-racking the bar. I'm worried about the amount of strain that puts on them. Any tips?
 

abuC

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Exactly.

Huge fitness center with basketball courts, swimming, racquetball, cafe, studios, tennis courts, etc. Everything. I only use the gym. And in that, maybe 10% of the equipment. :(

I used to work there as a trainer, and all the trainers now are nice and take care of the place compared to other, cheaper gyms I tried which were a mess every time I arrived. So I re-joined.


But I always new as soon as I found the means to train at home at nearly the same capacity I would leave ASAP.



Sounds like New York Sports Club.
 

Lamel

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Will walnuts provide enough Omega 3s? Or is fish oil still superior? I am thinking of adding fish oil to my diet (even thought I'm trying to gain weight/muscle).

for reference, 7 walnuts have ~ 2g of Omega 3 and 10g of Omega 6.
 

lenovox1

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Will walnuts provide enough Omega 3s? Or is fish oil still superior? I am thinking of adding fish oil to my diet (even thought I'm trying to gain weight/muscle).

for reference, 7 walnuts have ~ 2g of Omega 3 and 10g of Omega 6.

One quarter cup of walnuts apparently provides about half of the daily recommended nutritional intake of omega-3, which is very good.

If you're looking for other nutritional sources, any fish is good, but fish raised in a cold climate are rich in fat. Stuff like Alaskan halibut or sardines. Soybeans and lentils, olive oil, flaxseed (which has tons of fatty acids), and the aforementioned walnuts are great vegetarian sources.
 

cryptic

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Will walnuts provide enough Omega 3s? Or is fish oil still superior? I am thinking of adding fish oil to my diet (even thought I'm trying to gain weight/muscle).

for reference, 7 walnuts have ~ 2g of Omega 3 and 10g of Omega 6.

Things like walnuts and flax seeds have different omega 3s than the ones in fish oil. Additionally, they have their fair share of polyunsaturated fats which make's the desirable 1:1 ratio of 03:06 harder to achieve.

You need either wild fish(canned sardines, canned/fresh wild salmon,etc.), fish oil, or to reduce your intake to nil of mostly all vegetable oils(canola,soy,corn,etc.) and remove poultry and pork from your diet while eating just lamb,steak,goat,bison, etc. and grass fed is better but not necessary. The reason for those meats is because they have a better 03:06 ratio than other meats even if kept in a feedlot. This guy Paul Jaminet of the perfect health diet even argues that it's not worth it to spend the extra on grass fed as feedlot cows naturally detox most of the toxins that come from a bad diet.
 

Lamel

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One quarter cup of walnuts apparently provides about half of the daily recommended nutritional intake of omega-3, which is very good.

If you're looking for other nutritional sources, any fish is good, but fish raised in a cold climate are rich in fat. Stuff like Alaskan halibut or sardines. Soybeans and lentils, olive oil, flaxseed (which has tons of fatty acids), and the aforementioned walnuts are great vegetarian sources.

Things like walnuts and flax seeds have different omega 3s than the ones in fish oil. Additionally, they have their fair share of polyunsaturated fats which make's the desirable 1:1 ratio of 03:06 harder to achieve.

You need either wild fish(canned sardines, canned/fresh wild salmon,etc.), fish oil, or to reduce your intake to nil of mostly all vegetable oils(canola,soy,corn,etc.) and remove poultry and pork from your diet while eating just lamb,steak,goat,bison, etc. and grass fed is better but not necessary. The reason for those meats is because they have a better 03:06 ratio than other meats even if kept in a feedlot. This guy Paul Jaminet of the perfect health diet even argues that it's not worth it to spend the extra on grass fed as feedlot cows naturally detox most of the toxins that come from a bad diet.

Alright yeah so it is more about balancing out your 03/06 ratios. gotcha, thank you!
 

Enco

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Picked up an Atkins chocolate bar (I'm not following Atkins but it had good protein). Didn't realise it was so expensive. Reading up on it it also seems like a load of crap.

Ah well it tasted nice and I had no other option.
 

TheFatOne

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So GAF I'm starting to get bored with SS what are some other accessory work I can do along side SS? I just need to add a few things to change things up a bit.
 

Mr.City

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So GAF I'm starting to get bored with SS what are some other accessory work I can do along side SS? I just need to add a few things to change things up a bit.

You have a wide variety to choose from with accessory work. There's always curls, pendlay rows, RDLs, tricep work (lying tricep extensions, back extensions, and weighted situps. As for your pull up/chin up dilemma, have you tried negatives?

I'm starting to have issues with keeping my wrists straight while doing standing OHP. At heavier weights they always start to bend back on my last couple of reps and when re-racking the bar. I'm worried about the amount of strain that puts on them. Any tips?

How are you holding the bar in your hand?
 
Age: 23
Height: 5'11''
Weight: 161 lbs
Goal: not be skinny fat
Current Training Schedule: none
Current Training Equipment Available: Adjustable weight bench, pair of adjustable dumbbells
Comments: So most of the OP seems to be about exercises that I can't do with dumbbells alone and I can't afford a gym membership right now. Does anyone know of any resources for good dumbbell only exercises?
 
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