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Fitness |OT3| BroScience, Protein Dysentery, XXL Calf Implants, and Squat Rack Hogs

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Brolic Gaoler

formerly Alienshogun
God damn I went ham today. Was supposed to be my 5/3/1 day and went 5/3/7 instead. Squat 340x7. Feels good man.

Next weeks deload is going to be well deserved.
 

Natural

Member
Quick question Bro gaf. I've been doing some hardcore low carb diet for months now, and weird question, but is having the low-carb energy drinks okay? Each can has 6g total of sugar [so not much].

Just wanted some thoughts on this as the energy drinks are full of vitamins, etc.

I'm low carbing aswell and I limit my drinks to only water, hot water and squeezed lime juice, protein shakes and the odd peppermint tea before bed.

As long as you have that drink in moderation it should be ok I guess, though I would say try to avoid it where possible - every little helps!
 

MjFrancis

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The "Borning But Big" 3 Month Challenge by Jim Wendler

Jim Wendler said:
Since I released the first edition of 5/3/1: The Simplest and Most Effective Training System for Building Raw Strength in 2009, I've been asked many questions about assistance work.

The most popular, effective, and brutal accessory plan is something I coined Boring But Big. I came up with this idea in a Fuddruckers in Tucson, Arizona back in 1998 or 1999. I was eating lunch with a friend of mine and I wrote the idea down on a ketchup-smeared napkin.

The Boring But Big assistance program is simple. After completing the strength work with the basic exercise (squat, press, bench press or deadlift), you perform 5 sets of 10 reps with a lighter weight. This might not seem like much work, but believe me, it'll lead to new gains in strength and hypertrophy, not to mention serious soreness.

The problem that most lifters have with the Boring But Big program is that they don't know what weight to use with the five sets. I've always recommended using 50% of your training max – and for the first cycle of the program that's exactly the prescription.

The second and third months of the program, however, should push the envelope, leading to some bigger and better gains. I was recently inspired by a workout by my good friend Matt Kroczaleski. He flew past the boundaries of good taste by doing 5 sets of 20 reps in the squat with 415 pounds. One set of 20 reps at 415 is pretty good, but five sets? Absolutely disgusting.

[...]

The first month of the program, perform the sets with 50% of your training max.
The second month of the program, perform the sets with 60% of your training max.
The third month of the program, perform the sets with 70% of your training max.
 

TheFatOne

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You have a wide variety to choose from with accessory work. There's always curls, pendlay rows, RDLs, tricep work (lying tricep extensions, back extensions, and weighted situps. As for your pull up/chin up dilemma, have you tried negatives?



How are you holding the bar in your hand?

I have never even heard of negatives, but I think I can do them after watching some youtube videos. Yea I have been thinking about adding curls, pendalay rows, and tricep work for a while. Now my only question is on what workout do I add the accessory work A or B? Or half A and half B?

Edit:Also has anyone tried Couch to 5k? I'm currently on the first day of week 4, and I'm feeling pretty good.
 

Lamel

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I have never even heard of negatives, but I think I can do them after watching some youtube videos. Yea I have been thinking about adding curls, pendalay rows, and tricep work for a while. Now my only question is on what workout do I add the accessory work A or B? Or half A and half B?

Edit:Also has anyone tried Couch to 5k? I'm currently on the first day of week 4, and I'm feeling pretty good.
Half a half b.
 

gdt

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How can I check the status of my order of whey protein from Vitaminworld.com? I have the order number, just wanna see if it shipped already.
 

Troblin

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What is the best way to approach a carb cycling diet?

I'm looking to slowly drop ~3% bf in the next 2-3 months and would like to minimize my muscle loss, if possible.

Any tips/advice?
 
partner bailed on me last second and the university gym was wayyyy too packed. There were lines for every machine..... Great fucking start...

i would say "eff this guy" and be more motivated to put up weight. think of it as a chance to surpass your training partner's strength levels (or if he/she is stronger as a way to have an additional training session under your belt to kind of catch up).

im not really big on having a training partner though, so i can't really relate to your issue fully.
 

entremet

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5x20x415? Good fucking god.

Jesus. I could only imagine the soreness after that.


What is the best way to approach a carb cycling diet?

I'm looking to slowly drop ~3% bf in the next 2-3 months and would like to minimize my muscle loss, if possible.

Any tips/advice?

LeanGains, a popular diet and training methodology here, is basically a cyclic low carb diet with fasting.

Here's more info.

http://www.leangains.com/2010/04/leangains-guide.html

But , in general, you want to eat carbs during training days, especially in the post workout window and do low carb on rest days.

Keep your carbs high quality though--potatoes, sweet potatoes, rice. I would not go crazy with sugary stuff and soda.
 

balddemon

Banned
Ok bodyweight is starting to get stupid. I can still improve on my core (haven't really done core work), but it takes SO MANY reps to get tired. I can't go from crane to handstand yet. Can't figure out any pushups that are much harder. Pullups are tougher, but I can still do lots before I'm unable to lift my arms.

I guess I'm just complaining that it's getting harder and harder to achieve the stimulation I got in the gym. Need this job so I can get back in....

EDIT: Also, I'm gonna have to ask my dad to allow t-nation.com on our network....Lingerie/Bikini? really?
 

entremet

Member
Ok bodyweight is starting to get stupid. I can still improve on my core (haven't really done core work), but it takes SO MANY reps to get tired. I can't go from crane to handstand yet. Can't figure out any pushups that are much harder. Pullups are tougher, but I can still do lots before I'm unable to lift my arms.

I guess I'm just complaining that it's getting harder and harder to achieve the stimulation I got in the gym. Need this job so I can get back in....

EDIT: Also, I'm gonna have to ask my dad to allow t-nation.com on our network....Lingerie/Bikini? really?

Damn your parents have web filtering at home? Sorry to hear that.
 

MjFrancis

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Oh fuck me. 5x20x415 is just not right for a human being to be able to do.

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Of course it isn't, but it's been well established that Matt Kroc is superhuman. This is the kind of guy that gets a nose bleed during a set of squats and doesn't think anything of it. If you've ever read his writings it's apparent he's one crazy motherfucker.
 

Petrie

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Of course it isn't, but it's been well established that Matt Kroc is superhuman. This is the kind of guy that gets a nose bleed during a set of squats and doesn't think anything of it. If you've ever read his writings it's apparent he's one crazy motherfucker.

Pictures like that make me want to sit around playing video games all day, knowing full well I will never come close to that.
 

entremet

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Of course it isn't, but it's been well established that Matt Kroc is superhuman. This is the kind of guy that gets a nose bleed during a set of squats and doesn't think anything of it. If you've ever read his writings it's apparent he's one crazy motherfucker.

Wasn't he a much bigger guy? Looks like he got cut.
 

balddemon

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Damn your parents have web filtering at home? Sorry to hear that.

Yeah I knew the pw to log in and unblock everything but then I got lazy and watched too much porn without resetting it PLUS MY MOM SNUCK INTO MY ROOM AND LOOKED AT MY HISTORY. So she saw the one time I didn't use private browsing -_- need to move out as well so I don't have to be so careful lmao

EDIT: Like, I can't see the picture MJ posted cuz it's hosted on t-nation :( someone willing to rehost for me? :D

EDIT2: I guess I did :p http://i.imgur.com/PlOcw.jpg
 

MjFrancis

Member
Ok bodyweight is starting to get stupid. I can still improve on my core (haven't really done core work), but it takes SO MANY reps to get tired.
Getting tired is not indicative of progress, but if you have the compulsion, do hanging leg raises and touch your toes to your hands. You will get tired.
 

Troblin

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Jesus. I could only imagine the soreness after that.




LeanGains, a popular diet and training methodology here, is basically a cyclic low carb diet with fasting.

Here's more info.

http://www.leangains.com/2010/04/leangains-guide.html

But , in general, you want to eat carbs during training days, especially in the post workout window and do low carb on rest days.

Keep your carbs high quality though--potatoes, sweet potatoes, rice. I would not go crazy with sugary stuff and soda.

Thanks!
 

kylej

Banned
Ok bodyweight is starting to get stupid. I can still improve on my core (haven't really done core work), but it takes SO MANY reps to get tired. I can't go from crane to handstand yet. Can't figure out any pushups that are much harder. Pullups are tougher, but I can still do lots before I'm unable to lift my arms.

I guess I'm just complaining that it's getting harder and harder to achieve the stimulation I got in the gym. Need this job so I can get back in....

EDIT: Also, I'm gonna have to ask my dad to allow t-nation.com on our network....Lingerie/Bikini? really?

Home web filtering... that's some puritanical, 1800s Amish type shit right there. Sorry for your loss bro.
 

MjFrancis

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Kroczaleski got into bodybuilding after powerlifting, hence the changes in appearance. It's also pertinent to keep in mind he isn't natural and trains with more ferocity than 999 out of a 1,000 weightlifters are willing to do.

Even if you were only able to eventually lift half of what he does, that's still some brutal shit. Also a much more manageable goal.
 

entremet

Member
Kroczaleski got into bodybuilding after powerlifting, hence the changes in appearance. It's also pertinent to keep in mind he isn't natural and trains with more ferocity than 999 out of a 1,000 weightlifters are willing to do.

Even if you were only able to eventually lift half of what he does, that's still some brutal shit. Also a much more manageable goal.

Still impressive. Looks like PL gave him a great foundation and he just needed to chisel out the fat for BB.

Long live squats and deadlifts!
 

MrOogieBoogie

BioShock Infinite is like playing some homeless guy's vivid imagination
Ok bodyweight is starting to get stupid. I can still improve on my core (haven't really done core work), but it takes SO MANY reps to get tired. I can't go from crane to handstand yet. Can't figure out any pushups that are much harder. Pullups are tougher, but I can still do lots before I'm unable to lift my arms.

I guess I'm just complaining that it's getting harder and harder to achieve the stimulation I got in the gym. Need this job so I can get back in....

EDIT: Also, I'm gonna have to ask my dad to allow t-nation.com on our network....Lingerie/Bikini? really?

Hey, I've been doing bodyweight-exclusive training for eight months now, and I'm still not bored. I find myself improving in every aspect. Why not try to be more creative and flexible with your exercises?

http://www.alkavadlo.com/2010/05/mastering-your-body-weight/

There's a simple tier system for you to follow. What level are you at right now? There are so many exercises out there, as evident in the above link, for you to continually challenge yourself each and every week.
 

balddemon

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Hey, I've been doing bodyweight-exclusive training for eight months now, and I'm still not bored. I find myself improving in every aspect. Why not try to be more creative and flexible with your exercises?

http://www.alkavadlo.com/2010/05/mastering-your-body-weight/

There's a simple tier system for you to follow. What level are you at right now? There are so many exercises out there, as evident in the above link, for you to continually challenge yourself each and every week.

Wow thanks for the link. I can do 1 armed pushups from Level 4. Don't think I can do any level 3. Can do all the level 2 except the handstand. So I guess I'm still level 1 :p Better get started....

Wow...funny story..I had that bookmarked a while ago lol. Guess I just forgot about it. Thanks again!
 

MjFrancis

Member
The link is in the OP, too. If I was to revamp the bodyweight OP I would create a hybrid of Convict Conditioning's system and Al Kavadlo's 5 tiers. It's all good stuff, and all the same principles of barbell training apply to bodyweight training. Resistance is the commonality.

Also, you can do 1 arm pushups are you get bored of pushups? How does that happen?
 

balddemon

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Yeah for some reason I never was doing those while working out. Just got off my ass and did 7 with each hand (right to failure, left could've done 1 or 2 more). And now I'm out of breath and my shoulders and chest as well as my quads are feeling jelly

See, this is why I post in this thread. My brain was thinking that all I could do were like 5 different types of pushups and then the pullup bar. Can't believe I never did 1h pushups....sheesh.

Also, 1 armed muscle up???? WTF
 

Brolic Gaoler

formerly Alienshogun
MJ How could you leave out this quote from that article, shit's funny as hell.

Wendler said:
The problem with many hypertrophy-based programs is that they leave out the strength component. You might get bigger as a result of the program, but if you don't get any stronger you're still a chump in my book.

That's right, I don't care how big you are, if you aren't strong you're a sham. Having big muscles and no strength is the training equivalent of wearing a strap-on. All show and no go. End of story.

Dude is my hero.
 
How often can one bench or deadlift in a week? SS has those two workouts alternating with overhead press and power clean yet you squat every day you come in. I figure when I'm "done" with starting strength i can switch to doing squats, deadlifts, bench all in one day with a few of body weight exercises sprinkled in.
 

MrOogieBoogie

BioShock Infinite is like playing some homeless guy's vivid imagination
Yeah for some reason I never was doing those while working out. Just got off my ass and did 7 with each hand (right to failure, left could've done 1 or 2 more). And now I'm out of breath and my shoulders and chest as well as my quads are feeling jelly

See, this is why I post in this thread. My brain was thinking that all I could do were like 5 different types of pushups and then the pullup bar. Can't believe I never did 1h pushups....sheesh.

Also, 1 armed muscle up???? WTF

Bro, there is SO much you can do on a pull-up bar or parallel bars:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=esHWsRvvp_s&feature=related

I myself can do all the exercises up to tier 3 from that link, one or two in level 4, and none in 5, so I've still go a lot of work to do.
 

Brolic Gaoler

formerly Alienshogun
How often can one bench or deadlift in a week? SS has those two workouts alternating with overhead press and power clean yet you squat every day you come in. I figure when I'm "done" with starting strength i can switch to doing squats, deadlifts, bench all in one day with a few of body weight exercises sprinkled in.



It doesn't work that way. As you get stronger your body expends more energy and takes more damage than when you're a novice. Thus recovery takes longer.

Squats are as they are in SS because as a novice squats will make gains exceptionally fast, they are also "the best" lower body exercise for strength.

Deadlifting is the most brutal compound movement you will do, especially at higher weight. They take the most time to recover from and take the most out of you. I personally wouldn't deadlift more than once a week, but that's just me. And it's simply because it would probably wreck my progress in other areas.
 

Kwhit10

Member
Since we're on the subject, how flexible is everyone? I have a hell of a time touching my toes, and I try to stretch every night.


I am not very flexible at all, my whole life I've had really tight Hamstrings. I'm maybe 4-6 inches away from touching my toes.

Would Romanian DLs be the best thing to try and improve my hamstring flexibility?
 

balddemon

Banned
How often can one bench or deadlift in a week? SS has those two workouts alternating with overhead press and power clean yet you squat every day you come in. I figure when I'm "done" with starting strength i can switch to doing squats, deadlifts, bench all in one day with a few of body weight exercises sprinkled in.
Depends on where you are in your training. When I started out benching I did M/W/F. Then I hit a weight (think 175) where I just couldn't do that high of a volume anymore. So I switched to M/Th. When I get back in the gym I'll probably do M/W/F just to figure out where I am, then switch to twice a week. FYI I wasn't doing SS or the beginner routine, I was doing a split me and some friends threw together that had us doing 3x10. We got bigger and stronger and more cut, but I feel SS would've done the job quicker.

EDIT: and yeah like shogun said, DL's are the hardest and most body destroying exercise. Twice a week, max. I tried 3 times a week for 2 weeks and my hips were so fucked (I was doing 3-4 sets of 5 reps at 300lbs. Terrible idea.)
Since we're on the subject, how flexible is everyone? I have a hell of a time touching my toes, and I try to stretch every night.
yeah like I said, touching my toes is a pain the butt until after I warmup extensively. Comes easiest after I play basketball for a few hours. Gonna start on P90X/Insanity stretching/yoga. Tough shit.
Bro, there is SO much you can do on a pull-up bar or parallel bars:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=esHWsRvvp_s&feature=related

I myself can do all the exercises up to tier 3 from that link, one or two in level 4, and none in 5, so I've still go a lot of work to do.

Wow, that guy is nuts. I've seen most of Black Hannibal's videos but never this guy. Where is he working out at? I've never seen anywhere like that. A couple parks around me have some bars along the trails and stuff, but never that kind of equipment. That would be nice.
 

MjFrancis

Member
Since we're on the subject, how flexible is everyone? I have a hell of a time touching my toes, and I try to stretch every night.
I can put my knuckles on the floor with completely locked knees. Having monkey arms really helps, if I remember correctly my reach (arm length one fingertip to opposite hand's fingertip) is about 5 inches greater than my height. So it's less impressive than it sounds. I'm mostly happy with my passive flexibility though, and am always trying to improve my active flexibility.
 

BumRush

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With the exception of some key exercises (Bench, deadlift, squat) I've been pretty much super-setting everything and I've seen amazing results...anyone else try this type of workout? I usually warm up with a 1.5 mile run and finish with a 1.5 mile run yet the bulk of my fatigue / sweat comes from the 45 minutes of lifting.
 

MjFrancis

Member
MJ How could you leave out this quote from that article, shit's funny as hell.
My only defense is that the article is peppered with so much good stuff that I had to stop somewhere - I reread the article and I'd just as well post the whole thing if I was to catch all of them!

Jim Wendler said:
If you're afraid to eat, then please, don't do this program. This isn't for you, nor is it for someone that's scared one night of eating big will make his skirt fit a bit tighter.
 

balddemon

Banned
So Oogie and whoever else does bodyweight (MJ?) what are some routines you do? Right now all I do is lots of sets of pushups, pullups, and squats throughout the day. Should I be doing more circuits? More at once?
 

abuC

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So Oogie and whoever else does bodyweight (MJ?) what are some routines you do? Right now all I do is lots of sets of pushups, pullups, and squats throughout the day. Should I be doing more circuits? More at once?
Work in dips as well, you can do them at the edge of a bed or chair.
 

Petrie

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Are these things any good? Local shop is getting rid of them for about 50 cents a bar, and they normally go for $2 each, so I thought it'd be worth checking.
 
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