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[dentoomw]

I don't know if I'm posting this in the right place or not, but I don't want to bump older threads. I'm 21, 6 feet tall and weigh 140. I go to the gym about 4 to 5 times a week and I'm trying to build mass. What protein supplement do I use? I live with my parents and they are vegetarian, so unless I eat out, protein shakes are my main source. How much protein should I take a day? And which protein powder should I buy? I usually use EAS whey protein, but I bought muscle milk a month ago and just finished it today. I felt that muscle milk worked a little better than EAS.
Also, should I start taking creatine? I'm finding it hard to gain weight...

Hey man, there are protein powders especially designed for building mass with high caloric values. Check out BSN True-Mass or Optimum Nutrition Serious Mass (1250 calories per serving!!!) There are other brands but those are the only two I am familiar with. BSN taste a little better but has less calories.

Creatine is a great supplement to take for just about any goal - just remember you need to cycle it on and off so your body doesn't get used to it. And drink a ton of water when your taking it or it can screw up your kidneys.

 

[yacobod]

Olympic bars are needed for the movements they were designed for ie: squats, dead lifts, bench press, cleans etc... wasting an olympic bar to do fucking curls is for people more concerned with an outward display of strength that only impresses the uninitiated as opposed to actually moving weight.

omg it's the weightroom police. curling in a power rack or squat rack is perfectly fine in my opinion as long as you're not holding up the equipment if someone actually needs to squat or do w/e in there. in most commercial gyms you don't even have a handful of ppl who even squat and deadlift anyways. the curling in power racks thing is so overstated that it's becoming laughable.


i'd say less than 15% of people who actually go to commercial gyms actually squat, deadlift, clean, etc...

 

[X-Frame]

omg it's the weightroom police. curling in a power rack or squat rack is perfectly fine in my opinion as long as you're not holding up the equipment if someone actually needs to squat or do w/e in there. in most commercial gyms you don't even have a handful of ppl who even squat and deadlift anyways. the curling in power racks thing is so overstated that it's becoming laughable.


i'd say less than 15% of people who actually go to commercial gyms actually squat, deadlift, clean, etc...

But if they have the option of curling the mini-barbells than there is no reason to even consider taking up the squat rack. Also, some people are too shy and won't go up to the asshats curling 65 in the squat rack to see if they're done too.

There are a billion and one ways to curl in gyms from dumbbells to machines to cables to bands but there's only 1 safe place to squat. Not worth it IMO.

 

[TheRagnCajun]

omg it's the weightroom police. curling in a power rack or squat rack is perfectly fine in my opinion as long as you're not holding up the equipment if someone actually needs to squat or do w/e in there. in most commercial gyms you don't even have a handful of ppl who even squat and deadlift anyways. the curling in power racks thing is so overstated that it's becoming laughable.


i'd say less than 15% of people who actually go to commercial gyms actually squat, deadlift, clean, etc...

No its not fine. Please don't curl in the squat rack. There are so many other ways to curl, why would you use the squat rack? You're holding people up whether you realize it or not, unless you wear a sign on your back that says 'I'm an idiot for using the squat rack for this, please feel free to kick me off'.

 

[borghe]

omg it's the weightroom police. curling in a power rack or squat rack is perfectly fine in my opinion as long as you're not holding up the equipment if someone actually needs to squat or do w/e in there. in most commercial gyms you don't even have a handful of ppl who even squat and deadlift anyways. the curling in power racks thing is so overstated that it's becoming laughable.


i'd say less than 15% of people who actually go to commercial gyms actually squat, deadlift, clean, etc...

regardless, dumbbells and ez bars are for curling. olympic bars are for lifts. If you curl on an olympic bar, either your gym really sucks and doesn't have proper equipment, or you're being a tool trying to peacock. it really doesn't matter if you're holding things up or not or if no one squats or deadlifts, you still come off as a goon.

edit - yeah, pretty much what the previous two posters said. you are curling there either because your gym is under-equipped or you're a dick. neither option is a good one.

 

[deadbeef]

No its not fine. Please don't curl in the squat rack. There are so many other ways to curl, why would you use the squat rack? You're holding people up whether you realize it or not, unless you wear a sign on your back that says 'I'm an idiot for using the squat rack for this, please feel free to kick me off'.

Also, when you do curl somewhere else, you better put more than a few 10s on each side. Don't embarrass yourself. Don't put 145 pounds on there though or else you're a tool.

 

[Jason's Ultimatum]

I did tabata exercises for the first time yesterday. I meant up with an ex-special forces guy who's the same age as me (29) and we did clean n press, kettleball raises, incline chest presses, lat pulldowns, and push ups. HOLY SHIT was it a brutal workout. He has an app on his i-phone where you do as many reps as you can in 20 seconds, get a 10 second break, then start it again for 8 sets.

He really believes this routine, comparing a guy who lifts really heavy and takes long breaks compared to someone who lifts leight weights and and take short breaks.

I'd like to start doing this exercise that incorporates tabata and full body routine, but I'm afraid of losing my muscles and losing weight. This type of routine may benefit me since I'm hoping to become a federal law enforcement officer, so who knows.

Are there any full-body tabata routines using weights?

 

[FallingEdge]

I'd like to start doing this exercise that incorporates tabata and full body routine, but I'm afraid of losing my muscles and losing weight. This type of routine may benefit me since I'm hoping to become a federal law enforcement officer, so who knows.

For me, this is my concern when doing something like Insanity. It was my first workout yesterday and I was exhausted. But I did get a chance to go to the gym at lunch and got in my OHP routine. I think I will keep this up for a month or so. Should be fun!

 

[Ace 8095]

Also, when you do curl somewhere else, you better put more than a few 10s on each side. Don't embarrass yourself. Don't put 145 pounds on there though or else you're a tool.

I like barbell curling 65 pounds for a few sets. Helps remove the soreness from a prier days heavy chins.

 

[Ace 8095]

Are there any full-body tabata routines using weights?

Just be creative. Maybe a rotation like hang-cleans, squats, and push presses would work well.

 

[MWS Natural]

Like this? Those guys are awesome.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3-4_wtL1w2I

Hilarious, I think I have experienced all of those. Whenever 6-8 plates go onto the bar you are going to have "watchers" who want to come over and comment/converse. I don't mind unless since it's usually words of encouragement or something funny.

But I must admit I do go to the gym well dressed in workout clothes of course, never jeans. Matching Nike dryfit shirt, shorts, socks, workout sneakers, gloves lol. Hey if you don't look good you don't feel good!

 

[deadbeef]

I like barbell curling 65 pounds for a few sets. Helps remove the soreness from a prier days heavy chins.

I was just facetiously summarizing the rules we've established over the last page or so.

I understand when people's actions directly and negatively interfere with one's use of the gym - I know that can be frustrating. Also, I can laugh with the best of them at the odd personality traits you see in the gym. But when we start belittling people based on how much they're lifting it always makes me a little uncomfortable. Sometimes it's warranted, especially if the person is strutting around like they're King Kong - everyone needs to get taken down a peg or two every now and then. The banter can quickly take an ugly turn though and make it so it's a hostile environment in the gym, and in this thread too.

Just my thoughts

 

[borghe]

I did tabata exercises for the first time yesterday. I meant up with an ex-special forces guy who's the same age as me (29) and we did clean n press, kettleball raises, incline chest presses, lat pulldowns, and push ups. HOLY SHIT was it a brutal workout. He has an app on his i-phone where you do as many reps as you can in 20 seconds, get a 10 second break, then start it again for 8 sets.

He really believes this routine, comparing a guy who lifts really heavy and takes long breaks compared to someone who lifts leight weights and and take short breaks.

I'd like to start doing this exercise that incorporates tabata and full body routine, but I'm afraid of losing my muscles and losing weight. This type of routine may benefit me since I'm hoping to become a federal law enforcement officer, so who knows.

Are there any full-body tabata routines using weights?

tabata by definition is an endurance routine, not a strength routine. you aren't sacrificing strength per se, but during the routine you are not building much strength either.. you are building muscle endurance. with that being said, you will definitely NOT lose weight... and as long as you aren't strictly transitioning to a fulltime endurance routine you shouldn't lose strength either.

the set ace 8095 recommended is a decent start. I would consider throwing one bodyweight exercise in there also.. either replace the push press with a burpee or add a burpee at the end. bodyweight during tabata holds the dual benefit of one less "station" to move to and also gives you a slightly lower intensity exercise to steady your heartrate. another option might be to do air squats instead of weighted squats, but I know you were talking about doing weights... still, air squatting ass-to-floor during a circuit not focused on strength could be a good exercise in a routine like ace recommended.

 

[parrotbeak]

The thing with tabatas to me is that in the 7th and 8th sets--if you're doing it right and going as hard as you can the whole time--you're going to be dying. As your endurance improves, you do more and more reps and you're still dying by the last couple sets. I never tried weights and don't think I would; I wouldn't want any weight on top of me when I'm so close to failure in the end. I like push ups and air squats now. You can do anything though: burpees, box jumps, turkish get ups, chins.

Came down with a horrible flu or some shit this weekend and been at home for the last few days just sleeping and watching tv. Fucking sucks. I'm really anxious to try out my Vibrams but that'll have to wait.

 

[cuevas. PhD.]

I was just facetiously summarizing the rules we've established over the last page or so.

I understand when people's actions directly and negatively interfere with one's use of the gym - I know that can be frustrating. Also, I can laugh with the best of them at the odd personality traits you see in the gym. But when we start belittling people based on how much they're lifting it always makes me a little uncomfortable. Sometimes it's warranted, especially if the person is strutting around like they're King Kong - everyone needs to get taken down a peg or two every now and then. The banter can quickly take an ugly turn though and make it so it's a hostile environment in the gym, and in this thread too.

Just my thoughts

Heh whatever, if you want to judge people based on the weight they have on that's your thing.

I was doing 21's for the first time at the end of my workout and had 2 10's on each side of the ez curl bar. Two guys walk in and slap 45's on each side and pull out their phones to record each other doing the weight. Of course they look like the guy in the video that was just posted but hey, they were doing more than twice the weight I was doing.

 

[borghe]

well you shouldn't be doing tabatas to failure, bodyweight or weighted. the weight you are doing should be a case where it's very easy with mild resistance on the first round.. even by the eighth round you still shouldn't be failing, but it will probably be taking you 2-3 times as long per rep as it did in the first round.

however you are correct.. that is typically why tabatas are indeed done with bodyweight. no fidgeting with weights to figure out what is appropriate and what is too light/heavy.

Heh whatever, if you want to judge people based on the weight they have on that's your thing.

I was doing 21's for the first time at the end of my workout and had 2 10's on each side of the ez curl bar. Two guys walk in and slap 45's on each side and pull out their phones to record each other doing the weight. Of course they look like the guy in the video that was just posted but hey, they were doing more than twice the weight I was doing.

there are always going to be two types by the weights at the gym. the body builders and the practical strength guys.. Unfortunately the worst of both types will NEVER see eye to eye.

IMHO if you are taking out a phone to record just for the hell of it, you are the worst of that type. With that being said, I HAVE asked people to record me on sets before, but it's only to check my form, and I tell them so ahead of time when I ask if they can do it. if that's what these guys were doing, then I completely stand corrected. But yeah, if they were posting to youtube "here's me curling 115!!!" then that's pretty sad.

 

[Tenck]

Pretty sure this is the right thread to ask since it's about muscles and all.

So yesterday I went to the gym and I was doing cardio the whole time I was there since it's been a long time since I worked out. I wanted to do something light (running). After I was done with cardio, I want down to the weight lifting equipment. I kid you not when I say I only did one rep on a machine before I felt something odd in my shoulder. I was being stupid so I shrugged it off and went to the pool. I swam with a little disturbance in my shoulder for like an hour.

I think that's what fucked it up the most since I was trying to swim fast and all. Now this morning I'm in excruciating pain. I even have to type this while I'm standing up. I know people would say to go see a doctor, but I have $60 for two weeks, and I can't spare any cash right now. What should I do to ease my pain? My head is tilted a bit to the right, and if I move it I feel like crying :'(

Is this permanent? I hope not, since this is the first time I've gone through this sort of stuff.

 

[Ace 8095]

Heh whatever, if you want to judge people based on the weight they have on that's your thing.

I was doing 21's for the first time at the end of my workout and had 2 10's on each side of the ez curl bar. Two guys walk in and slap 45's on each side and pull out their phones to record each other doing the weight. Of course they look like the guy in the video that was just posted but hey, they were doing more than twice the weight I was doing.

I think his point was to not judge people.

 

[X-Frame]

Tenck, any way to ice your shoulder? 20 minutes on, 40 minutes off, repeat. Maybe some Advil as well?

Take it easy for a couple days so any swelling goes down then you'll get a better idea of what you're dealing with. Obviously I'm no doctor though.

 

[heyf00L]

Pretty sure this is the right thread to ask since it's about muscles and all.

So yesterday I went to the gym and I was doing cardio the whole time I was there since it's been a long time since I worked out. I wanted to do something light (running). After I was done with cardio, I want down to the weight lifting equipment. I kid you not when I say I only did one rep on a machine before I felt something odd in my shoulder. I was being stupid so I shrugged it off and went to the pool. I swam with a little disturbance in my shoulder for like an hour.

I think that's what fucked it up the most since I was trying to swim fast and all. Now this morning I'm in excruciating pain. I even have to type this while I'm standing up. I know people would say to go see a doctor, but I have $60 for two weeks, and I can't spare any cash right now. What should I do to ease my pain? My head is tilted a bit to the right, and if I move it I feel like crying :'(

Is this permanent? I hope not, since this is the first time I've gone through this sort of stuff.

I don't know, but don't do cardio before weights. You'll deplete all your energy on the cardio and have nothing left for the weights. I understand that weights before cardio is OK, tho, because you want to have depleted energy for cardio so your body is forced to burn fat rather than your energy stores (you can achieve this by either doing weights first or having not eaten for several hours before doing cardio). Your body will also burn muscle when doing cardio with no energy stores, but if you're also doing weights you'll keep more muscle and burn more fat.
That's my understanding, but these things are so complicated.
Still, don't do cardio then weights.

 

[borghe]

Pretty sure this is the right thread to ask since it's about muscles and all.

So yesterday I went to the gym and I was doing cardio the whole time I was there since it's been a long time since I worked out. I wanted to do something light (running). After I was done with cardio, I want down to the weight lifting equipment. I kid you not when I say I only did one rep on a machine before I felt something odd in my shoulder. I was being stupid so I shrugged it off and went to the pool. I swam with a little disturbance in my shoulder for like an hour.

I think that's what fucked it up the most since I was trying to swim fast and all. Now this morning I'm in excruciating pain. I even have to type this while I'm standing up. I know people would say to go see a doctor, but I have $60 for two weeks, and I can't spare any cash right now. What should I do to ease my pain? My head is tilted a bit to the right, and if I move it I feel like crying :'(

Is this permanent? I hope not, since this is the first time I've gone through this sort of stuff.

probably not permanent. my guess is you either pulled a muscle from too much weight (your rotator cuffs are INSANELY weak to begin with, and to be not fit to start with just makes it that much worse) or you tweaked soft tissue with bad form. either way, take some ibuprofen, let it heal a bit (ice it down if you want) and when you go back to your shoulders, please please please start ridiculously light on weight and make sure you read up on the exercise you are doing to make sure you have good form. bad form will always eventually hurt you.. and just starting working out you have to remember that not only are your muscles weak, but all of your tendons and cartilage are weak also. also remember that some of the weakest minor muscles in your body are in your shoulders and back. proper weights and form are crucial at all times to make sure you're not stressing those support muscles while working out the primary muscle groups.

 

[cuevas. PhD.]

there are always going to be two types by the weights at the gym. the body builders and the practical strength guys.. Unfortunately the worst of both types will NEVER see eye to eye.

IMHO if you are taking out a phone to record just for the hell of it, you are the worst of that type. With that being said, I HAVE asked people to record me on sets before, but it's only to check my form, and I tell them so ahead of time when I ask if they can do it. if that's what these guys were doing, then I completely stand corrected. But yeah, if they were posting to youtube "here's me curling 115!!!" then that's pretty sad.

They were definitely the youtube kind of guys since they had no form whatsoever. I don't even think you could consider it curling so they were just rocking back and forth with their back.

I don't care about the weight people are doing, but if they are doing shit like that just to look strong then yeah I will laugh at you.

 

[deadbeef]

I think his point was to not judge people.

Thanks, that was the point. I didn't realize I was so unclear about it.

 

[heyf00L]

They were definitely the youtube kind of guys since they had no form whatsoever. I don't even think you could consider it curling so they were just rocking back and forth with their back.

I don't care about the weight people are doing, but if they are doing shit like that just to look strong then yeah I will laugh at you.

I always hear "form form form", but I see these guys all the time with horrible form but yet their biceps are as big as their head. No fair.

 

[Luscious LeftFoot]

I always hear "form form form", but I see these guys all the time with horrible form but yet their biceps are as big as their head. No fair.

You can get big even with crappy form. The downside is, you can also get seriously injured

 

[Cooter]

regardless, dumbbells and ez bars are for curling. olympic bars are for lifts. If you curl on an olympic bar, either your gym really sucks and doesn't have proper equipment, or you're being a tool trying to peacock. it really doesn't matter if you're holding things up or not or if no one squats or deadlifts, you still come off as a goon.

edit - yeah, pretty much what the previous two posters said. you are curling there either because your gym is under-equipped or you're a dick. neither option is a good one.

I superset CGBP and BB curls on a bench. Am I a tool? I need to know.

 

[TheRagnCajun]

I superset CGBP and BB curls on a bench. Am I a tool? I need to know.

You're Close Grip bench pressing as much as you curl?

 

[ezrarh]

Pretty sure this is the right thread to ask since it's about muscles and all.

So yesterday I went to the gym and I was doing cardio the whole time I was there since it's been a long time since I worked out. I wanted to do something light (running). After I was done with cardio, I want down to the weight lifting equipment. I kid you not when I say I only did one rep on a machine before I felt something odd in my shoulder. I was being stupid so I shrugged it off and went to the pool. I swam with a little disturbance in my shoulder for like an hour.

I think that's what fucked it up the most since I was trying to swim fast and all. Now this morning I'm in excruciating pain. I even have to type this while I'm standing up. I know people would say to go see a doctor, but I have $60 for two weeks, and I can't spare any cash right now. What should I do to ease my pain? My head is tilted a bit to the right, and if I move it I feel like crying :'(

Is this permanent? I hope not, since this is the first time I've gone through this sort of stuff.

This sounds familiar. A couple years back, after dumbbell benching, I felt like I strained the area around my neck but didn't think too much about until the next morning and I could barely move my head from the pain. Doctor said to just take ibuprofen and wait it out. Muscle relaxant would help but that might be prescription only. Don't worry too much, it should ease up after a couple days

 

[MjFrancis]

I always hear "form form form", but I see these guys all the time with horrible form but yet their biceps are as big as their head. No fair.

It can also vary if you're doing a 1RM or 5RM. If I'm doing my true, honest-to-goodness heaviest deadlift or squat I can possibly do... yeah, my form is probably not going to be perfect. Good form is still important with a heavy compound movement like this 99.9% of the time, in my less than humble opinion, but don't critique the minor details on a 1RM.

Some exercises can also be altered with great success. See the dumbbell row's dirty cousin, the Kroc row. No links, but if you Youtube the Kroc row it's just the former movement with form thrown out the window. It's named after powerlifter Matt Kroczaleski who used it to tighten up his deadlift. Also a favorite of Jim Wendler.

 

[Tenck]

Thanks so much borghe and ezrarh. I bought some advil liquid capsules, and even though they helped a bit, the pain is really something else. I'm putting ice on my shoulder right now, but it seems like it's not on the right area. Guess I need more ice to cover my shoulder and my neck.

 

[borghe]

I superset CGBP and BB curls on a bench. Am I a tool? I need to know.

to be fair, we were most specifically talking about the squat/power rack. I don't know where barbells became the focus. With that being said, I have always felt dumbbell work is almost always superior to barbell work for symmetric exercises. it forces the recessive side of your body to carry the full weight without assistance from the dominant side.

as for being a tool, if anything you do (not you specifically) is peacocking for show at the gym, then yes.. you are a tool. the only people who give two shits are the other tools.. err I mean peacocks.

as for form, there is a saying.. the ultimate expression of true strength is the display of perfect form. in terms of safety, you WILL get hurt with bad form.. it's not an if but a when. our bodies are meant to move in relatively specific motions and muscles designed to work in a network. closing your back on a deadlift or squat (aka rounding) or letting your ball hang at your socket in your shoulder without tension will eventually damage these weak muscles and/or the supporting tissue.

but beyond that, poor form is just a cheat to boost numbers. if someone did 100 pullups and their chin never made it over the bar for a single one, would they be correct in saying they did 100 pullups? Same thing with any exercise. If you're rounding your back and raising your hips on a 1RM deadlift, do you really get to say you made it? Is that any more legit than the guy not getting his chin over the bar? I mean you can get big with bad form... you are applying resistance to the muscles after all.. but who do you think is really stronger? The guy squatting 290 with his legs at maybe 100° and rocking forward to his toes to get it up, or the guy squatting 250, weight on heels, back straight, ass to the floor, and coming straight back up on his heels?

 

[Cooter]

to be fair, we were most specifically talking about the squat/power rack. I don't know where barbells became the focus. With that being said, I have always felt dumbbell work is almost always superior to barbell work for symmetric exercises. it forces the recessive side of your body to carry the full weight without assistance from the dominant side.

as for being a tool, if anything you do (not you specifically) is peacocking for show at the gym, then yes.. you are a tool. the only people who give two shits are the other tools.. err I mean peacocks.

I do DB work also but IMO BB curls are the single biggest mass builder for bi's. Not sure how it's peacocking anymore than any other curl.

Edit: And no, my CGBP and BB curls are obviously different weights. I switch after every set.

 

[Aurora]

I've been on a bulking regime for the past month or so and I've seen good gains.

My question is, how detrimental is alcohol consumption? Would going to a club once a week be acceptable and still allow me to see good gains, or should I just throw out alcohol altogether?

 

[rando14]

as for form, there is a saying.. the ultimate expression of true strength is the display of perfect form. in terms of safety, you WILL get hurt with bad form.. it's not an if but a when. our bodies are meant to move in relatively specific motions and muscles designed to work in a network. closing your back on a deadlift or squat (aka rounding) or letting your ball hang at your socket in your shoulder without tension will eventually damage these weak muscles and/or the supporting tissue.

but beyond that, poor form is just a cheat to boost numbers.

Bingo. Nailed it.

I've been on a bulking regime for the past month or so and I've seen good gains.

My question is, how detrimental is alcohol consumption? Would going to a club once a week be acceptable and still allow me to see good gains, or should I just throw out alcohol altogether?

Probably debatable for a bulking regime, but keep in mind alcohol is empty calories that will do you no good. In moderation it's fine but you've got to understand those excess calories will not help you build any muscle.

 

[X-Frame]

Anyone know of any good articles about Muscle Memory? It's been 4 years since I got hurt and lifted with any real consistency or success, so me getting back into it now although rehabbing my shoulder and lower back - curious if it's as easy, or easier for me to eventually regain my size and near strength as it would be for a novice.

I know Novice's grow like weeds and strength gains are crazy, but curious how that compares to getting back into it again.

 

[reilo]

I've been on a bulking regime for the past month or so and I've seen good gains.

My question is, how detrimental is alcohol consumption? Would going to a club once a week be acceptable and still allow me to see good gains, or should I just throw out alcohol altogether?

It's fine in moderation, but it will stunt muscle growth for that period of time it is being processed and it will dehydrate your body.

 

[Parch]

Gym jerks made me quit gyms. You can do a lot with just dumbbells and bodyweight exercises. I kept adding a good variety of home workout routines and ended up using the gym for only heavy work. Eventually I got a home gym and dumped the jerks completely.

I might not have the kit for super heavy lifts, but I'm getting too old for heavy work anyway. Because everything I need is at home, it's so much more convenient. When you don't have to "make time" to go to a gym, I never miss a workout, I workout more, I workout better, and I workout stress free and at my own pace. I feel I've had much better success working out at home instead of relying on a gym.

I'll never waste time in a gym again.

 

[Mr.City]

MHO if you are taking out a phone to record just for the hell of it, you are the worst of that type. With that being said, I HAVE asked people to record me on sets before, but it's only to check my form, and I tell them so ahead of time when I ask if they can do it. if that's what these guys were doing, then I completely stand corrected. But yeah, if they were posting to youtube "here's me curling 115!!!" then that's pretty sad.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MaPmJAd4y2U

 

[Coldsnap]

Just gonna throw this out there and see what I get. Has anyone tried alternatives to whey protein and with any success? Recently I have cut out whey but take it only on days I workout (3 days a week). Straight up milk makes my allergies flare up and so does whey when I take it in large quantities. I'm wanting to go without whey. It sucks though because it is a damn easy 30g of protein and cheap; that is like 2-3 extra chicken breasts that you have to eat per day. My sister has hemp protein but it taste like garbage.

 

[borghe]

Gym jerks made me quit gyms. You can do a lot with just dumbbells and bodyweight exercises. I kept adding a good variety of home workout routines and ended up using the gym for only heavy work. Eventually I got a home gym and dumped the jerks completely.

I might not have the kit for super heavy lifts, but I'm getting too old for heavy work anyway. Because everything I need is at home, it's so much more convenient. When you don't have to "make time" to go to a gym, I never miss a workout, I workout more, I workout better, and I workout stress free and at my own pace. I feel I've had much better success working out at home instead of relying on a gym.

I'll never waste time in a gym again.

imho, the only thing you can't replicate with bodyweight work is for your legs. if you are doing single limb compound bodyweight exercises in most cases (i.e. single arm pullups, single arm pushups, single arm handstand pushups, etc) you are going to be at the equivalent weight loads higher than most of the biggest guys at your typical gym. legs are a different story, but obviously being a bodyweight guy, I'm a believer that if your legs are strong enough for a single-leg squat-to-box-jump of like 18-24", your legs are strong enough

Just gonna throw this out there and see what I get. Has anyone tried alternatives to whey protein and with any success? Recently I have cut out whey but take it only on days I workout (3 days a week). Straight up milk makes my allergies flare up and so does whey when I take it in large quantities. I'm wanting to go without whey. It sucks though because it is a damn easy 30g of protein and cheap; that is like 2-3 extra chicken breasts that you have to eat per day. My sister has hemp protein but it taste like garbage.

milk, eggs and meat... not really any other quality protein than that. a carton of large eggs is $1.50ish by me and will give you 72g of protein. compared to most decent whey mixes this comes out to about twice to two and a half times as expensive, however still cheaper as you're saying than most lean meats.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MaPmJAd4y2U

oh. my. god.

you know for a fact that that dude went home and popped a ton of vicodin and curled up in the fetal position because his back was out. god I hope that was just a joke, but I've seen it to many times to actually expect it to be one.

the worst offender I remember was an actual WOD video ON THE CROSSFIT SITE ITSELF showing this girl doing a deadlift and her back looked like the St. Louis Arch. The site got slammed in the comments section for it and I believe they eventually pulled the video.

 

[Jason's Ultimatum]

I've been thinking and it's probably more ideal for me to just mix things up between tabata/free weights and just heaving lifting in general. I texted the special forces dude and he said that's what he does. Today he's lifting heavy.

Maybe incorporating tabata exercises to a specific body part when I'm lifting heavy on a day?

 

[Coldsnap]

oh also I see a lot of people talking about cleans ect. If anyone wants some form critique in clean/jerks/snatches let me know. I know it can be complicated at first so Im willing to help.

 

[MWS Natural]

Chillout w/ Pre-workout Gomad and protein shakes on a heavy deadlift day lol:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=50uWtVBwYrE&feature=related

 

[Corky]

Chillout w/ Pre-workout Gomad and protein shakes on a heavy deadlift day lol:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=50uWtVBwYrE&feature=related

Oh dear god....

 

[borghe]

lol at the thread title change.

 

[Jason's Ultimatum]

Chillout w/ Pre-workout Gomad and protein shakes on a heavy deadlift day lol:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=50uWtVBwYrE&feature=related

LIKE.A.BOSS.

EDIT-I was just watching a YT video on how to do proper snatches, and I didn't notice I was standing under the fan going full speed. Well, you get the picture. One of the veins on my hand dark blue and thick, and I got some deep cuts. :lol

 

[Luscious LeftFoot]

We're talking about poor form? No demonstration is complete with my man diesel weasel showing you how it's (not) done.

Squat
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1uRGBJ3ALOs

Deadlift
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h7h4ns3UhpQ&feature=related

Clean
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VMjl2zrBrHo

Bench
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7p0y2mMOFZ0&feature=related

 

[reilo]

We're talking about poor form? No demonstration is complete with my man diesel weasel showing you how it's (not) done.

Squat
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1uRGBJ3ALOs

Deadlift
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h7h4ns3UhpQ&feature=related

Clean
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VMjl2zrBrHo

Bench
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7p0y2mMOFZ0&feature=related

Those have to be parody videos with fake weights on them, right? Right? Right?

 

[ezrarh]

We're talking about poor form? No demonstration is complete with my man diesel weasel showing you how it's (not) done.

Squat
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1uRGBJ3ALOs

Deadlift
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h7h4ns3UhpQ&feature=related

Clean
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VMjl2zrBrHo

Bench
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7p0y2mMOFZ0&feature=related

Holy shit. Watching that deadlift puts aches in my back. Hilarious otherwise.

 

[reilo]

Holy shit. Watching that deadlift puts aches in my back. Hilarious otherwise.

Deadlift? Did you miss the Clean?