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Fitness |OT3| BroScience, Protein Dysentery, XXL Calf Implants, and Squat Rack Hogs

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The reason why I started doing it was because I read a study where after the "loading" phase, the subjects stopped taking creatine. After loading, creatine in muscles was up ~45% from nominal levels, and after 30 days of no creatine it was still up 22% from nominal levels, even after not supplementing any extra for that entire time. You are correct though, 10 days or so isn't long enough to tell.


5g post workout, and 1 scoop of Jack3d pre workout, which has 1g in it. I workout 3 days a week and rest 4.

You should start taking it pre workout
 

Brolic Gaoler

formerly Alienshogun
Jack3d results in false-positives for Amphetamines in drug tests.

"[DMAA] can cause false positives for amphetamines [because it] is structurally similar to amphetamines lacking only a benzene ring. As referenced below, the percentage of false positives was 92.3% in this one study. It should be noted that false positives are determined by the specificity and the concentration threshold of the screening agent.

Reference:

Dimethylamylamine: a drug causing positive immunoassay results for amphetamines.
Vorce SP, Holler JM, Cawrse BM, Magluilo J Jr.
SourceDivision of Forensic Toxicology, Armed Forces Medical Examiner System, Armed Forces Institute of Pathology, 1413 Research Boulevard, Building 102, Rockville, Maryland 20850, USA."




If you need to be shaking and trembling with energy to get a good workout in, I don't know what to tell you. I think all pre-workouts are horseshit.


God damn! Learn something new every day.
 

rando14

Member
Ugh, y'all are overthinking gaining muscle. Controversial opinion incoming, but you don't need fancy pre- or intra-workout supplements. Protein powder and creatine. That's really all you need. Don't waste your money elsewhere. If you want something before, consume an apple or some coffee.
 
Ugh, y'all are overthinking gaining muscle. Controversial opinion incoming, but you don't need fancy pre- or intra-workout supplements. Protein powder and creatine. That's really all you need. Don't waste your money elsewhere. If you want something before, consume an apple or some coffee.

That's not controversial.
 

Timedog

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Jack3d results in false-positives for Amphetamines in drug tests.

"[DMAA] can cause false positives for amphetamines [because it] is structurally similar to amphetamines lacking only a benzene ring. As referenced below, the percentage of false positives was 92.3% in this one study. It should be noted that false positives are determined by the specificity and the concentration threshold of the screening agent.

Reference:

Dimethylamylamine: a drug causing positive immunoassay results for amphetamines.
Vorce SP, Holler JM, Cawrse BM, Magluilo J Jr.
SourceDivision of Forensic Toxicology, Armed Forces Medical Examiner System, Armed Forces Institute of Pathology, 1413 Research Boulevard, Building 102, Rockville, Maryland 20850, USA."




If you need to be shaking and trembling with energy to get a good workout in, I don't know what to tell you. I think all pre-workouts are horseshit.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poppy_seed#False_positive_drug_tests

I don't shake or tremble during workouts.
 

Petrie

Banned
Haven't been very hungry after a few weeks of my cut. Realized I only had eaten 700 calories today so had a shake, cereal, and chicken, bringing me up to 1500, which I suppose is alright for a non lifting day. Guess I'll up my calories on lifting days a bit more.
 

Timedog

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Haven't been very hungry after a few weeks of my cut. Realized I only had eaten 700 calories today so had a shake, cereal, and chicken, bringing me up to 1500, which I suppose is alright for a non lifting day. Guess I'll up my calories on lifting days a bit more.

Has it been like this the entire time, or has your body just got used to eating less and you have less of an appetite?
 
It pains me to say it, but I think I need to remove Power Shrugs from my accessory work for my 5/3/1 deadlift day. This year was going to be "Year of the Traps" for me, and Power Shrugs are fucking amazing for this, but as the weight gets heavier, a niggling lower back issue has popped up and is affecting my squat and deadlift.

Excluding power shrugs, what (in your opinion) is the next best exercise to stimulate trap growth?

The ultimate trap exercise for me is farmer's walk with proper farmer's walk handles.

Try snatch grip high pulls or overhead shrugs.
 

Ashhong

Member
So I decided to change up my Stronglifts routine (which I wont disclose here for fear of backlash) and damn I got such a pump in my arms today. I have really missed this feeling. Dont really get this feeling from the big lifts that SL has you do, at least not me. Hopefully this new routine will work out for me.
 

Timedog

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So, it might be different for everyone, and I haven't personally tried, but I'm thinking that with the weight I do 3 sets of 5 reps on (where on the last set I couldn't do another rep above 5), if I went to failure on my first set instead of stopping at 5, I could do about 7 reps (failing on the 8th). Does this sound about right? I'm trying to get a ballpark of my 1rm.
 

Jonm1010

Banned
1. Pick up a dumbbell, or a 45lb plate.

2. Walk into the kitchen.

3. Smash everything that tastes good.

If your trying to say there is no point in working out obliques, go ahead and say that.

I'm trying to return to lifting weights as careful and properly as possible this time, so instead of douchebag responses I'd appreciate a little help. Maybe a source or scientific article or two.

If all you got to give is worthless assholish responses, I'd say as advice to you, that maybe you could find better ways to waste your time instead of wasting mine.
 

ItAintEasyBeinCheesy

it's 4th of July in my asshole
Made a thread but meh

So here is what happened when I drove home from the gym tonight, 9:20pm'ish

Best drive home eva.

Driving down the road, see some army guy (had a battalion shirt on) with 2 steel poles in his hands about to beat the shit out of some young drunk fuck face kid in front of his mum and 2 friends. "Here we go I think to myself" so I pull over in front of the army guys car and hop out "this should be good", thankfully the army dude puts the poles back into the boot of his car, but still the asshole kid carries on

"I've done kick boxing for 6 years cunt, I'll smash you. etc etc etc"

Army guy responds "I've killed better people than you."

Me...Oh snap.

Kid carries on more, lots of "cunt" this "fucking asshole army guy" that. I get a bit more involved putting myself between the kid and the dude trying to break it up. The kid is drunk as shit and he's got one of his friends screaming at the army guy to get in his car and leave. I get the impression the kids chased the guys car and the dude was probably having a shitty day and said "fuck it, lets go". The guy wont get back into his car cause I'm guessing he thinks the kid is going to kick it or something.

The kid now see's me and wants to take us both on "I'll smash you and this big cunt, I been hit in the head with 100kg poles blah blah blah, I'm tough, Kick Boxing etc"

Kids mum "AHHHHHH AAAAAAHHHHHH GO HOME, GO HOME AHHHHHHHHH" She's freaking the fuck out and also trying to break it up.

Kid "I'll find where you live and slice your throat."

Me "Wow, hey now, unnecessary."

So lots of this screaming and carrying on with me and the kids mum in the middle trying to keep them separated.

Drunk asshole kicks the car putting a small dent in it and comes towards me, smell the alcohol on his breath but don't do anything, he's just blusters and sticks up his dukes. The army guy has lunged at him a few times but the mum has gotten in the way and I keep getting in his way with the usual "It's not worth it" spiel.

Eventually the guy gets in his car and leaves and I follow, flip the bird to the kid as he is yelling at my car. The guy did do a U-turn but I didn't see him go back to where the kid was so hopefully that's the end of that.

Was pretty funny, about ten other cars all just backed up and drove the other direction, one even smoked up his tyres. There was a nice group of onlookers up the road as well. Dunno if anyone called the cops but they never showed up.
 

bro1

Banned
If your trying to say there is no point in working out obliques, go ahead and say that.

I'm trying to return to lifting weights as careful and properly as possible this time, so instead of douchebag responses I'd appreciate a little help. Maybe a source or scientific article or two.

If all you got to give is worthless assholish responses, I'd say as advice to you, that maybe you could find better ways to waste your time instead of wasting mine.

His response was right on. There is no reason to train obliques, especially if you have fat deposits there. Work on Squats, Deadlifts, and Overhead press and your obliques will get a very good workout.

If you are trying to reduce to fat on your obliques, then eat less.
 

Petrie

Banned
Has it been like this the entire time, or has your body just got used to eating less and you have less of an appetite?
My body has adjusted. In the beginning I was constantly feeling hunger pangs. Going from 4000 cals to 2000 will do that I suppose.
 

entremet

Member
Ugh, y'all are overthinking gaining muscle. Controversial opinion incoming, but you don't need fancy pre- or intra-workout supplements. Protein powder and creatine. That's really all you need. Don't waste your money elsewhere. If you want something before, consume an apple or some coffee.

The only supplement I use is whey. And I don't even go nuts with that. I vastly prefer real food.


So I decided to change up my Stronglifts routine (which I wont disclose here for fear of backlash) and damn I got such a pump in my arms today. I have really missed this feeling. Dont really get this feeling from the big lifts that SL has you do, at least not me. Hopefully this new routine will work out for me.

Why would you get backlash lol?
 

CrankyJay

Banned
Got back on the workout horse...down from 213 to 204 in about a month now with lifting and cardio on off days and eating better (way more veges/fruit/protein, cut back on breads/pastas). I'll take that.
 

The Chef

Member
Ugh, y'all are overthinking gaining muscle. Controversial opinion incoming, but you don't need fancy pre- or intra-workout supplements. Protein powder and creatine. That's really all you need. Don't waste your money elsewhere. If you want something before, consume an apple or some coffee.

I used to get Isopure from saveonsupplements for my creatine for $30. http://www.saveonsupplements.com/iscreat.html
Good, Bad? Not sure what new stuff is on the market today.
 
Anyone have a comprehensive "Creatine for Dummies" type of link? Thinking of checking it out and maybe starting to take it.

I would do a lot more research before you just start cramming yourself with creatine. A simple google search will give you what you need. Many of the questions you may have others had also, all you have to do is find them. Also, take the type of creatine that suits you. There is more than just mono...
 

calza

Member
I would do a lot more research before you just start cramming yourself with creatine. A simple google search will give you what you need. Many of the questions you may have others had also, all you have to do is find them. Also, take the type of creatine that suits you. There is more than just mono...

Mono is the best and the cheapest, why would he buy anything else?

Creatine (monohydrate) supplementation, according to the International Society of Sports Nutrition, is the most effective ergogenic (performance enhancing) nutritional supplement currently available to athletes in terms of increasing high-intensity exercise capacity and lean body mass during training.[1] Many forms are available and discussed in the complete summary, but have not been shown to exert significant benefits over basic monohydrate supplementation.

http://examine.com/supplements/Creatine/
 

despire

Member
How many of you here take some sort of after workout shake? I usually just drink chocolate milk and take my creatine but would it be beneficial to drink some huge ass recovery shake? Mainly meaning milk, peanut butter, protein powder, bananas etc. in to a blender..

Off course I eat after working out but it usually takes anywhere between 30-60min or sometimes more before I can prepare a meal.
 

Kwhit10

Member
How many of you here take some sort of after workout shake? I usually just drink chocolate milk and take my creatine but would it be beneficial to drink some huge ass recovery shake? Mainly meaning milk, peanut butter, protein powder, bananas etc. in to a blender..

Off course I eat after working out but it usually takes anywhere between 30-60min or sometimes more before I can prepare a meal.

I'm pretty much exactly what you described, I come home from the gym and have a shake of Whey+milk+banana+peanut butter and have that before preparing my dinner (if it takes a long time). If not I'll have dinner first and the shake afterwards.
 

MjFrancis

Member
Would it be beneficial to have a post-workout drink?

Sure.

Is it required, especially considering you eat within an hour of training anyways?

Not really.

My pre-workout is taken 2-3 hours prior and it's only a 500+ calorie helping of protein, fats and veggies. Sometimes I'll eat a snack bar or a banana between sets but that's more uncommon for me these days. I'll have a small shake or a 8-16oz of milk immediately following my training more often (though not always). Within the hour I have my 1,500+ calorie post-workout meal and that's all I really consider essential. The rest is just a bonus.

Damn! Should be in the OP. Bookmarked this post. Thanks Francis! Knew I could count on ya.
You are quite welcome. I hope you can use this information or something similar (paleo or low-carb might work, too) that can inspire a change for the better. You already know it's going to be tough compelling him to make a change, but the endeavor will be worth whatever effort you put in.

I'll get that added to the OP this weekend.

While I appreciate the sentiment and remain flattered, the IF post is likely more comprehensive than necessary. I'd rather have an instructional summary of Lyle McDonald's fat loss advice start out the nutrition OP with GOMAD, paleo and IF being summarized afterwards. Much more than that seems unnecessary.
 

Bit-Bit

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How many of you here take some sort of after workout shake? I usually just drink chocolate milk and take my creatine but would it be beneficial to drink some huge ass recovery shake? Mainly meaning milk, peanut butter, protein powder, bananas etc. in to a blender..

Off course I eat after working out but it usually takes anywhere between 30-60min or sometimes more before I can prepare a meal.

I created this beautiful shake.

Half a cup of ice.
Two scoops of vanilla protein powder.
Half a cup of frozen blueberries.
About 6 or so small cubes of pineapple.
Two scoops of plain yogurt.
Half a cup of 1% milk.

Blend that shit up and taste the nectar of the gods.

It's guaranteed to taste absolutely delicious.
 

EviLore

Expansive Ellipses
Staff Member
Knee gave out at 0.6 miles into my run yesterday. How do I train for a triathlon when I can't run, haha. Sprint intervals only + normal biking/swimming, for the next month, and reevaluate what my 5k ability is after that I guess. :|
 

Jonm1010

Banned
His response was right on. There is no reason to train obliques, especially if you have fat deposits there. Work on Squats, Deadlifts, and Overhead press and your obliques will get a very good workout.

If you are trying to reduce to fat on your obliques, then eat less.

I'm not really worried about fat loss.... I'm fairly skinny as is. I have just never heard that you can get good obliques solely by doing those compound excercises.

Is there some article, research findings or academic source you can link that talks about this?

I've just never been told that working out obliques in isolation is worthless.

Thank you.
 
Please disclose. I've been doing the SL 5x5 and while I like the progression of adding 5lbs each time. It's getting to a point where it doesn't feel feasible to add 5lbs every time. It's like i've gotten to my max, then next time I'm supposed to be able to add 5lbs more? I mean I 'm not even confident on the last day's weight, and now I'm adding 5lbs more? It's like I need to do that same weight more than once, and guage it's difficulty, then decide to move up or not.

So I decided to change up my Stronglifts routine (which I wont disclose here for fear of backlash) and damn I got such a pump in my arms today. I have really missed this feeling. Dont really get this feeling from the big lifts that SL has you do, at least not me. Hopefully this new routine will work out for me.
 
Please disclose. I've been doing the SL 5x5 and while I like the progression of adding 5lbs each time. It's getting to a point where it doesn't feel feasible to add 5lbs every time. It's like i've gotten to my max, then next time I'm supposed to be able to add 5lbs more? I mean I 'm not even confident on the last day's weight, and now I'm adding 5lbs more? It's like I need to do that same weight more than once, and guage it's difficulty, then decide to move up or not.

Are you finishing all the reps of your sets? Why not move up 5 lbs?
 
I'd often end up doing 2 or 3 sessions at the same weight cuz I wasn't completing the 4th or 5th set. If you don't feel like you've done the 5x5 well (perfect form, no rest between reps within a set), stay at that weight. But if it's a mental thing and you did the weight fine but are worried about the number, then you have to look at that. Most people like moving up, but some don't. A common trick is to do your warmups, load your workset and walk away, get a drink of water, get mentally prepared and don't even think about the number on the bar. Get Ronnie screaming in your head LIGHT WEIGHT BABY! Or whatever works for you.
 

jvalioli

Member
I started going to the gym a couple of months ago thanks to this thread.

I've gotten used to seeing the regulars and today I saw I had never seen before on the bench next to me. He was super skinny and had a little weight on the bar, so while I did my set I watched him out of the corner of my eye while I did my set. Saw the bar go down, and noticed that I did a couple reps and didn't see the bar go back up. I rack real quick and sure enough the dude had pinned himself hardcore on the bench. Ran over and helped him out.

Felt good man.
 

bro1

Banned
I'm not really worried about fat loss.... I'm fairly skinny as is. I have just never heard that you can get good obliques solely by doing those compound excercises.

Is there some article, research findings or academic source you can link that talks about this?

I've just never been told that working out obliques in isolation is worthless.


Thank you.

I believe in Starting Strength there is a section about how deadlifts, OHP, and squats work your core. I know from doing them on a regular basis that my obliques hurt the next day.
 
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