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Fitness |OT3| BroScience, Protein Dysentery, XXL Calf Implants, and Squat Rack Hogs

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Lamel

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Para bailar La Bomba said:
Does it absorb well?

It mixes well, tastes great, has tons of BCAA's and has 23g of protein per scoop (3g carbs). I've been taking it for around 4 months and have had pretty good muscle gain results.
 
I started on my healthy diet 3 days ago, it's tough going when you're not used to eating all the time, plus I'm very small to begin with.

This is what I've been eating:

1x chicken breast

100g cottage cheese

100g natural yoghurt

100g wholewheat pasta

1x slice wholewheat bread

1x tin of tuna in spring water

2x eggs

2x shredded wheat cereal biscuits

1 tbsp natural peanut butter

1/3 tin of kidney beans

3 pints of milk substitute


Total: 250g+ of protein, 4000 calories.
 

Lamel

Banned
PumpkinPie said:
I started on my healthy diet 3 days ago, it's tough going when you're not used to eating all the time, plus I'm very small to begin with.

This is what I've been eating:

1x chicken breast

100g cottage cheese

100g natural yoghurt

100g wholewheat pasta

1x slice wholewheat bread

1x tin of tuna in spring water

2x eggs

2x shredded wheat cereal biscuits

1 tbsp natural peanut butter

1/3 tin of kidney beans

3 pints of milk substitute


Total: 250g+ of protein, 4000 calories.

What are your weight/height, if you're not that big to begin with you may be just overdoing it.
 
cuevas said:
If you are so small why are you eating so much protein/calories?

Who knows, I did one of those calorie counters online and it said 4000 calories. I tried 3000 for a while (months) and didn't gain any weight.
 

GiJoccin

Member
I haven't really lifted in 4 months. My goal is to get back to doing 5/3/1, would it be a bad idea to jump right back into it or should I do some upper/lower splits for a few weeks to get back into it first?
 
GiJoccin said:
I haven't really lifted in 4 months. My goal is to get back to doing 5/3/1, would it be a bad idea to jump right back into it or should I do some upper/lower splits for a few weeks to get back into it first?

4 months isn't too bad. You'd have to recalculate all your 1RM.

I think you'd be better served using Starting Strength or one of the 5x5 programs (Bill Starr/Stronglifts) to build back up your strength quickly. Then switching to 531.

Edit* Split program works too!
 
Ripclawe said:
I really didn't get the hate about people using the squat racks to do curls till today when I saw a guy wearing sunglasses doing curls that maxed out at about 65 pounds. Just the bar and two 10 pound weights and after every set acted like he was doing 150 pounds..

Now I get it.

Does your gym have florescent lighting? I know a guy that is sensitive to that and wears sunglasses in an office building.
 

MjFrancis

Member
13,064 Pull-ups in 5 Months
T-Nation Article [print version so your eyes don't explode from the white text on black background]

arnold-pull-ups.jpg



Since I'm back to doing 300+ pull-ups a week, this article was awesome to stumble upon. Most relevant tidbit I came across:

When I steadily increased the volume and avoided failure with fast reps, my upper back grew. When I incorporated sets to failure my hypertrophy stalled but my max reps went up. Training to failure with higher rep sets is great for endurance, but not much else.
The vast majority of my pull-up work has been short of failure until now. I'm going to add a great deal more sets to failure relative to what I was doing for now on. Both today and last Friday I performed two sets of fifteen midday in addition to my sets of eight I've been so fond of. I want to hit that elusive number 20 - many people may have stopped at 10 or 12, but I want that milestone. I was hitting 16 regularly, and if I add more work to failure, 20 may be within my grasp. And using the anecdotal evidence in this article, I can keep up my pull-up blitzkrieg afterwards to improve my back hypertrophy.

I'll agree on his point that the upper back is hard to fatigue since I noticed that my pull-ups and deadlifts seemed to work in synergy a few months back. My back wasn't fatigued in the least, and I was setting rep records in the deadlift left and right while doing pull-ups like a crazed madman.
 

X-Frame

Member
Yeah that was an interesting article. Read it last week (have TNation on Google Reader) and thought of you Francis while I read it -- forgot to link it here though.

So I assume pullups are not in your workout program now that you do them everyday or do you do them weighted in the gym?
 

MjFrancis

Member
I'm doing weighted pull-ups infrequently. Once a week for but a few sets. But I'm still putting in the effort on upper body days to do more bodyweight sets and reps, at least for the time being. I might even change that up later this week and do an even 50-70 every day.
 
Are you doing them on rings? I was just about to finally buy a door frame bar with the idea of doing daily pullups, but now this article is saying to only do daily on rings.
 

MjFrancis

Member
I don't do them on rings, though I'm considering to do so now. I haven't had any elbow problems (so far) but I'm acutely attentive to such calamities. Been doing the majority of my pull-ups with a neutral grip since I read that article, though. Better than nothing I suppose.
 

Ketchup Boy

Junior Member
Holy crap, I think I finally am able to do squats correctly!!! I'm going lower than parallel and looking in the mirror as I do it and it looks (and feels) correct like in the videos/pictures for once. I'm just using the bar and was only able to get 6 reps for each set, but I think its going to be only up from here!!! I couldn't stand doing squats knowing I wasn't getting the form right, but today, I think I had a major break-through. :)
 

suffah

Does maths and stuff
Man, I've been losing weight doing crazy cardio and eating healthy and I looked at myself in the mirror today and realized I'm PUNY.

My GF has been joking that I'm "disappearing", but it really kicked in for me today. I look malnourished and WEAK! Hell, I know I'm weak and this super slender body type just doesn't do it for me.

The one "plus" out of all this is that I have learned how to eat clean. I've come to appreciate vegetables. I love chicken, eggs, and fish. And I have learned that water is the most delicious thing on the planet.

Now, to get back on starting strength and eat probably double what I'm eating now.
 

Tater Tot

"My God... it's full of Starch!"
Layne Nortons Upper Body Power day today. Realized that I can BOR (bent over row) 225 lbs 3x. My form is a bit off however, might have to decrease the weight a tiny bit. I PR'd on the Bench with 205 lbs for 4 x :) I really enjoy this routine and I am doing it on a cut. I have put on a few pounds from drinking and not having proper nutrition. However, with just one day I can see results especially in the face.
 
Ketchup Boy said:
Holy crap, I think I finally am able to do squats correctly!!! I'm going lower than parallel and looking in the mirror as I do it and it looks (and feels) correct like in the videos/pictures for once. I'm just using the bar and was only able to get 6 reps for each set, but I think its going to be only up from here!!! I couldn't stand doing squats knowing I wasn't getting the form right, but today, I think I had a major break-through. :)
Congrats man! Don't get complacent though. Once you get the basic form down, there's a hundred little things to tweak, and retweak. For one, probably shouldn't be looking in the mirror. Your eyes are following your reflection, that means your head's not as stable as it could be, meaning your neck isn't as aligned as it could be. But good job and keep at it.

Fuck, I miss squats.

So demotivating when you're forced to change your workout. I'm not even excited about gym tonight. Keep thinking of reasons not to go.

I ran on solid ground in my Vibrams about a half mile yesterday for the first time. Haven't run at all except on stairs for a while, so I wasn't sure how that would go, but I stopped once my feet started feeling tight. I'm not sure what I was worried about; feet feel fine today. I did a bunch of myofascial release on feet and legs afterward. Might try to do this once a week, but I'm definitely using them to run stairs from now on. Did 12 flights 2x after the run and they felt so comfortable.
 

MrToughPants

Brian Burke punched my mom
Weight sled destroyed me yesterday and I almost passed out a few times. We probably didn't take enough breaks between laps. The sled weighs 32lbs and I got up to 98lbs total with decent speed but stayed around 75lbs mostly. We were doing half lengths of a soccer field for 2-4 laps per set. Did squats that same day and I only did high reps had no interest in doing anything heavy.

Also been trying to eat about 6 cups of basmati rice a day, 1.5c per meal. It's much faster to cook than potatoes and tastes better plain, I just follow the recipe with a bit of fat reduced butter and sea salt.

I'm around 9-10% bf @ 200 now but I don't know if I can still achieve my goal of 215lbs by the new year without a serious bulk. I was pretty much eating, shitting and lifting when I was 215 but now it feels like I don't have that same drive. I'm around 4000cals to maintain since i'm lifting almost everyday and it still feels like a chore to eat that much.
 
JB1981 said:
Why can't you squat, Parrot?
Well, it may or may not be directly related to squatting and deadlifting, since i never had issues while doing those things. But one day randomly I got sciatica again after months of not having symptoms. Got worse over the next few days and the usual physical therapy stuff didn't help. Got another MRI, have a slight rupture. But also this was the first time I was actually seeing the disc that I had surgery on 3 years ago, and i realized I probably shouldn't be compressing my lower back with any heavy weights. That disc is super small.
 
MrToughPants said:
I'm around 9-10% bf @ 200 now but I don't know if I can still achieve my goal of 215lbs by the new year without a serious bulk. I was pretty much eating, shitting and lifting when I was 215 but now it feels like I don't have that same drive. I'm around 4000cals to maintain since i'm lifting almost everyday and it still feels like a chore to eat that much.

15lbs in 3 months shouldn't be too difficult. Granted, it probably would be difficult to add more calories. Maybe a macro adjustment?
 
Saadster said:
It mixes well, tastes great, has tons of BCAA's and has 23g of protein per scoop (3g carbs). I've been taking it for around 4 months and have had pretty good muscle gain results.

Thank you, i'll check it out. What about for a post-workout? is WPI worth it?
 

Veezy

que?
So, I've made a few eBook purchases, over the last few, days I'd like to discuss. Before I get into that, let me pitch, again, the "Grayskull LP" eBook on Strength Villain. The program works, it's exceptional for novices, people getting their strength back, or intermediate trainers, and is more fun, to me, than Starting Strength. There's something about a program that gets you excited about a deload, and encourages curls and neck work, that gets me pumped. The basic breakdown is in the OP, but the eBook goes into more detail about why it works.

Mr. Johnny Pain also has two other books that have come out that I am going to highly recommend. Swole and 50 Grayskull Approved Conditioning Exercises.

Swole has a more lengthy review on 70s Big, but the short review is like so, "You don't have to get fat to get strong and muscular. There's a more difficult, but better for you and better looking, way to do it. This book tells you how."

Johnny Pain is a ripped dude. Grayskull is full of monsters, strong and muscular monsters. How they eat is broken down and explained, thoroughly. It discusses why GOMAD and other see food diets are bad for people, who care about they look, why the Zone diet or incredibly low calorie diets are stupid, how to stack on extra calories so that have just enough to recover and grow but not too much to get chunky, and is written in a style that you probably need to read it in, the "look, I know more than you, fucking do what I say" style, similar to Rippetoe. I'll put some quotes, if wanted, up later when I'm not at work.

The 50 Conditioning exercises are amazing. Bare bone circuits designed around kicking your ass and making you more conditioned. They’re quick, they’ll make you fast, they’ll make you cough up your lungs, and they have more thought behind them than a workout named after an ugly girl (that last part was 70% joke). You can throw them in after a workout or on an off day easily without ruining progress, if you’re eating right. There's a more in-depth review over at 70s Big, as well. As with Swole, I'll put up some quotes, if wanted, when I'm not at work.

On a personal note, being sick sucks. I haven’t worked out since 3AM last Wednesday due to throwing up and transiting into a fever. I hope I feel well enough to get back in tonight, as skipping workouts makes me feel like garbage.
 
When I steadily increased the volume and avoided failure with fast reps, my upper back grew. When I incorporated sets to failure my hypertrophy stalled but my max reps went up. Training to failure with higher rep sets is great for endurance, but not much else.


I'm confused. What does more volume mean? Also, fast reps? As in not going all the way down getting that full stretch or doing half reps really fast like you see some guys do at the gym?

I can do 20 pullups on the FIRST set, but I go all the way getting that stretch, but not fast reps.
 

Petrie

Banned
Monday
Squat - 3 sets of 5
Bench Press - 3 sets of 5
Deadlifts - 1 set of 5
Pull-Ups - 3 sets of 8-15

Wednesday
Squat - 3 sets of 5
Overhead Press - 3 sets of 5
Power Cleans - 5 sets of 3
Abdominal work

Friday
Squat - 3 sets of 5
Bench Press - 3 sets of 5
Deadlift - 1 set of 5
Bent Over Rows - 3 set of 5
Arm work, if desired

I have a few questions about the program here I've been on:

-With pullups, I'm at the point where I can get 5 or 6. Am I better off doing that and continuing to improve, or should I still do them assisted to higher reps?

-On Mon and Fri I've added 3 sets of dips to the end, though again I can only do 6 or 7 of them, same question as above.

-Any suggestions for the abdominal or arm work? Abdominals I've been doing a mix of leg raises, decline situps with weight, planks, bicycle sitsups, etc. For the arm stuff I've done curls, laying tricep extensions, and shrugs.
 
Jason's Ultimatum said:
I'm confused. What does more volume mean? Also, fast reps? As in not going all the way down getting that full stretch or doing half reps really fast like you see some guys do at the gym?

I can do 20 pullups on the FIRST set, but I go all the way getting that stretch, but not fast reps.
AFAIK volume is reps times sets. I think he means explosive but not necessarily kipping, as opposed to slow and steady, but I was a bit confused on that as well.
 

Veezy

que?
Jason's Ultimatum said:
I'm confused. What does more volume mean? Also, fast reps? As in not going all the way down getting that full stretch or doing half reps really fast like you see some guys do at the gym?

I can do 20 pullups on the FIRST set, but I go all the way getting that stretch, but not fast reps.
I believe:

Volume, in the lifting sense, is the actual amount of poundage you for a workout. For example, 135lbs of squats ten times is 1,350lbs of volume for that set.

What this gentlemen is proposing is that going to failures causes you to tire out, making you unable to do more pull ups. His proposal is do less reps but more sets, thus increasing the amount of volume for that workout. Instead of doing slow pull ups, go faster to increase the amount of pull ups you can do and to avoid tiring out. There's a difference between taking 10 seconds to do a pull up and doing one in 2. In other words, avoid negatives if you can already do a few reps.

This makes perfect sense, as when people ask "how can I do more pull ups," the common answer is "get a bar for your house and do a few when you walk by." Considering that most people that do pull ups are doing them to gain strength, hypertrophy, and pull up endurance, it makes sense that doing 50 reps over 10 sets would work better than doing 30 reps over 2-3 sets to contribute to your goal.

Or, I’m completely wrong. It’s happened before.
 
Petrie said:
I have a few questions about the program here I've been on:

-With pullups, I'm at the point where I can get 5 or 6. Am I better off doing that and continuing to improve, or should I still do them assisted to higher reps?

-On Mon and Fri I've added 3 sets of dips to the end, though again I can only do 6 or 7 of them, same question as above.

-Any suggestions for the abdominal or arm work? Abdominals I've been doing a mix of leg raises, decline situps with weight, planks, bicycle sitsups, etc. For the arm stuff I've done curls, laying tricep extensions, and shrugs.

-keep doing unassisted pullups. They're a much better workout.

-same as above. Do reall dips, not the kind that involve proping your legs on a bench.

-for arms, the only isolation excercise I do is curls. For abs, the stuff you listed is pretty good, although we're trying to steer away from forward spinal flexion now, including crunches and situps. I'm doing hanging leg raises, leg lowering while laying down, and dragon flags.
 

Petrie

Banned
Live Free or Die said:
whats a general good diet to follow for losing weight?

Cut sugar, bread, pasta and soda/juice/sugary drinks.

Replace with grilled chicken, steamed veggies, brown rice, etc.

Done.
 
Anyone run stairs a lot and can point to good articles? That pullup article made me think, some exercises you just take for granted, but there are things you can do to make them safer in the long run. I've never thought anything about running stairs; I just do it. Seems obvious how, but I thought pullups were obvious too.

I've been doing it 1-2x a week for a few months, and off and on before that. Thinking about increasing them since they are convenient (can do anytime in my apartment building) and I can't squat. But before I increase, I thought I should read up on injury prevention.

I only run up, then catch the elevator back down. If I need to walk down, I walk and never run. I do this for hill sprints also. Never understood why people run down hill.
 

MjFrancis

Member
It's a cool picture, though I take exception to the phrase "This is a body sculpture for the sake of show, not real power." That would mean that it would be a body sculpture for fake power, which doesn't make sense. The idea that it is primarily built for aesthetic purposes isn't lost on me, but the phrasing is stupid.
 
MjFrancis said:
It's a cool picture, though I take exception to the phrase "This is a body sculpture for the sake of show, not real power." That would mean that it would be a body sculpture for fake power, which doesn't make sense. The idea that it is primarily built for aesthetic purposes isn't lost on me, but the phrasing is stupid.

DONT YOU WANT REAL RESULTS BRO?
 

kylej

Banned
Anth0ny said:
My goal is somewhere in the middle, lol.

ryan-renolds.jpg

It would be pretty easy to look like that if you literally had nothing else to do but train in preparation for a role, and you got the best personal trainers and gyms paid for you to use, and you had someone cooking all your meals for you.

And then a professional photographer took your picture and tweaked it before being released as a press photo.
 

Ketchup Boy

Junior Member
cuevas said:
Ill take #1

Same here. Bodybuilders still have power especially above the average man. Plus, they look more aesthetic and look better in clothes. I don't understand why'd you want the body of a power lifter unless you're actually competing for the Olympics or something. Here's a guy squatting over 300 lbs for 15 reps and he's mad aesthetic.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vwY1ju3Uq78

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I'd take this body with that kind of power over a powerlifter's any day.
 

Brolic Gaoler

formerly Alienshogun
Holy shit, my chest hasn't been this sore in a long time.

I did sets of 3 and sets of 2 (at the end) bench press with 295 for a total of 20 reps.

Muh chesticals!
 

Veezy

que?
Ketchup Boy said:
Same here. Bodybuilders still have power especially above the average man. Plus, they look more aesthetic and look better in clothes. I don't understand why'd you want the body of a power lifter unless you're actually competing for the Olympics or something. Here's a guy squatting over 300 lbs for 15 reps and he's mad aesthetic.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vwY1ju3Uq78

http://a2.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc6/226819_142538482485812_118339324905728_274921_1817872_n.jpg[IMG]

I'd take this body with that kind of power over a powerlifter's any day.[/QUOTE]
To be clear, there's nothing wrong with having definition and being strong. That should be the end goal, for most, I would hope. However, (probably) Ryan, (definitely) Stallone, and this (dem veins) gentlemen are most certainly on steroids.

You can get incredibly far with a great diet and solid training, but at some point genetics will catch up. However, the vast majority of your superstars in sports use steroids. The vast majority of entertainers have nutritionists, prescriptions, and personal trainers. Setting small goals and pushing your self is better than saying "I wanna look like Ryan Reynolds" when you just don't have the genetics, or the assistance, he does.
 
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