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sphinx

the piano man
Bench press is pissing me off to no end, I've plateau'd hard in that move. It's always like this.

.- Go scared into it
.- Power rack being used, go to normal bench
.- no one wants to spot, o.k, do your usual 60kgs.
.- feel you can actually for once have some fucking decent ROM but chicken out because you don't want to die, a couple of those reps result in half reps.
.- put the bar back in place, be pissed but try again.
.- finish your 5x3 with zero sense of accomplishment.

FUCK YOU bench press.

The problem is nobody really talks about those other things. 99% of the chatter in here is about weightlifting.

Zoe, you can't have missed the countless Quest bar posts :p, I think they make a good 15%-20% of the whole thread

Trying to do my best Shogun impression

you do look like him! now on to post a video OHP'ing 265 lbs. :D

mind me asking, what phone are you using?

fooling around with my camera I discovered a new pose I like, if only my camera would take good pictures... fucking Galaxy S2, it's ancient, I wish my sister would give me her Iphone5 :p, it takes perfect selfies.

chestfail_zps5ffd1295.jpg


I don't understand, I don't gain weight but I do see difference compared to a month or two ago, I have no idea, I probably shouldn't pay much attention to the scale then? I hate it that I go blind into so many things in this discipline.
 
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Deleted member 47027

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Sphinx, first up - you look really strong. So fuckin awesome!

Second regarding bench - when was your last deload week on bench?

Third: Fuck scales, only scale worth a damn is a food scale.
 

Imm0rt4l

Member
Bench press is pissing me off to no end, I've plateau'd hard in that move. It's always like this.

.- Go scared into it

http://i208.photobucket.com/albums/bb244/spheenx/chestfail_zps5ffd1295.jpg[IMG]

I don't understand, I don't gain weight but I do see difference compared to a month or two ago, I have no idea, I probably shouldn't pay much attention to the scale then? I hate it that I go blind into so many things in this discipline.[/QUOTE]
This is me with deadlifts, I think overtime i'll become less neurotic. Reminds me of a great quote about deadlifts.

"you can’t be a mental midget when you’re deadlifting. You have to be 100% sure about your intention to destroy the lift, as well as the lift’s parents, children, and extended family."


and yea don't pay too much attention to the scale, looking good.

Science

Never apologize, Sean.
 

SeanR1221

Member
Sphinx, I like to psych myself up before a big lift. All day I mentally picture myself putting up the weight with ease. I feel like if you go in with a failure mindset, you're more likely to have a shitty set.

Regardless you've definitely come a long way and imagine where you'll be 1-2 years from now.

As for the phone it's an iPhone 5 :)
 
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What is weightlifting?
Q: I just want to get healthy, not turn into a big-muscled dude.
Lifting weights will aid you in ANY goal: losing weight (raises resting metabolic rate and you don't look like a heap of skin after you lose major weight), gaining weight (combined with proper diet, lifting heavy compound lifts frequently will make you grow), or maintaining weight (weight lifting can be tailored to those not wishing to gain any weight, but still wishing to maintain or increase strength).

Do not be afraid of lifting weights. Your muscles will not get magically huge overnight. Muscle does not grow "leaner" or "bulkier": it just grows. You cannot tone muscles by training, e.g. making abs magically appear by "spot" targeting with abdominal crunches. Toning is done in the kitchen, controlling your diet so that your body will have less bodyfat - which will make your muscles more defined.

See Post 2 for diet&nutritional information.

Q: I don't want to go to the gym, it's full of meatheads who'll laugh at me
Contrary to popular belief, most gym are not populated by Biff from Back to the Future. Hordes of meatheads will not try to descend on you and try to bully you. In fact, many gyms have a supportive and positive atmosphere. One of the biggest issues that too many people will try to give you advice in the gym.

However, if someone does get in your face, please bear in mind that you are a paying member of this gym and should able to take full advantage of all the equipment on site.

Q: Can't I just do [Insert routine&advice from Men's Health or a buddy]?
A few things to go over here and the first that there is no perfect routine. It doesn't exist. Everyone has different goals, different bodies, and thus different needs. What works for your buddy might work for him, and what's prescribed in Men's Health might work for some people, but the routines and programs we've gathered in this thread has the best chance of working for most people starting out - so if you really want to progress, you really should stick to them.

Equipment
  • Water bottle-This is mandatory, don't even question it. You need to stay hydrated at the gym, and if you show up without one you better go buy an overpriced one at the gym.
  • Chalk-Chalk is going to be your second best friend in the gym. I consider it to be an equalizer--it returns your hands to a dry, fresh state. Crucial for ANY heavy or grip intensive lifts--even the bench press and squat, at heavy weights. You don't need much, and it only belongs on your hands and the bar. A requirement for heavy deadlifts and pulls
  • Gloves-Unnecessary. Gloves are only an aesthetic choice for those who don't want calluses. Can "improve" your grip but you won't be helping your grip; in addition, it adds another layer between your grip and the bar.
  • Belt-Belts are meant to increase the support of your core through increasing your intrabdominal pressure. This is why the belts that taper in the front are quite perplexing--you WANT the pressure on your abdominal wall. Get a belt that is the same width all the way around. I only recommend using a belt on your heaviest sets, and only if you need to--they can impair your ability to increase your core strength if you become reliant on them.
  • Shoes-Weightlifting shoes are very important. You should not lift in running or crosstraining shoes, as the compressable heels/soles are terrible for weight lifting and do not allow consistent force production. Get something with a solid, flat sole (Chuck Taylors are great), or a dedicated weightlifting shoe.
  • Straps-Straps can be incredibly useful in assistance exercises and when your grip is already fatigued. Do NOT become reliant on them. I used them for heavy power shrugs, which is more than my max deadlift. Very useful in ballistic movements, as well.
  • Foam roller/Tennis balls - Use the tennis balls and/or foam roll to roll out any kinks in your muscles. Simply lay on the tennis ball/foam roller, and move it back and up.
What program to pick (Beginner's programs)

If you are reading this for the first time, you are a beginner. And if you're a beginner, you should get started with a program which will ensure maximum gains and excellent form.
Stick with the program, it's tried and true, don't switch out things without asking more experienced Gaffers if it might work (in the event you got a particular injury you're aware of, for an example).

Like with starting any fitness routine, you are responsible for your own health and advised to seek out a physician before you start for a health check-up.

Full Body
I recommend this one to all beginners, but furthermore, I recommend purchasing Starting Strength. A good guide on that program can be found here. It is one of the single greatest training resources out today. It combines science AND practice, and uses concepts that have been put into work with athletes since the 70's to help novices gained muscular bodyweight and increase strength.

Monday
Squat - 3 sets of 5
Bench Press - 3 sets of 5
Deadlifts - 1 set of 5
Pull-Ups - 3 sets of 8-15

Wednesday
Squat - 3 sets of 5
Overhead Press - 3 sets of 5
Power Cleans - 5 sets of 3
Abdominal work

Friday
Squat - 3 sets of 5
Bench Press - 3 sets of 5
Deadlift - 1 set of 5
Bent Over Rows - 3 set of 5
Arm work, if desired

This routine will get you great gains, provided you are eating well. Your diet will dictate your gains, unless you just gain mass easily (fuck you). The only change that I can recommend is reducing the deadlift to a once-a-week lift once it plateaus or affects your recovery.

Alternate Full Body
Adapted from the book Practical Programming.

Monday
Squat - 3 sets of 5
Bench Press/Press - 3 sets of 5
Chin-ups - 3 sets to failure

Wednesday
Squat - 3 sets of 5
Bench Press/Press - 3 sets of 5
Deadlift - 1 set of 5

Friday
Squat - 3 sets of 5
Bench Press/Press - 3 sets of 5
Pull-ups - 3 sets to failure

The bench press and the press are alternated every workout. Pull-ups are done with hands facing away from you, chin-ups with hands facing towards you.

For both programs once all sets are completed with no failed reps, add weight for the following workout (5lbs for press movements, 10lbs for lower body movements). When you start missing reps 2-3 workouts in a row, reset the weight about 10% on that movement only and continue to add weight as before. If smaller weight jumps are desired or required, do so with 2.5lbs and 5lbs jumps for upper and lower body movements, respectively. When linear progress in weight from workout to workout is exhausted (3 full resets for each movement) consider an upper/lower split or an intermediate program.

Upper/Lower Split
Really, the only type of split I endorse. This can be for someone who wants to try something new (DO THE FULL BODY ROUTINE FOR A FEW MONTHS FIRST), or has sport-specific concerns, or wants to plug in a lot of cardio (which they can do on the upper body days).

Workout A
Bench Press - 3 sets of 5
Bent Rows - 3 sets of 5
Overhead Press - 3-4 sets of 8
Barbell Curls - 3-4 sets of 8
(Cardio)

Workout B
Squats - 3 sets of 5
Power Cleans - 5 sets of 3
Deadlifts - 1-2 sets of 5
Dumbbell or Barbell Step Ups - 3 sets of 8

Alternate workouts A and B every other workout on three nonconsecutive days a week (i.e. Mon:A, Wed:B, Fri:A, Mon:B, Wed:A, etc)

Other Beginner Workouts
Mobility&Stretching
Warming up and stretching prior and post your various lifts is essential to maintain mobility and avoid getting injured. With the main compound lifts, simply perform the lift with just the barbell, one whole set if you so have to, until your joints & muscles have warmed up and are ready for the actual lifts.
Afterwards, do make use of foam rollers/tennis balls to give your muscles a deep tissue massage, and perform stretching.

For all the stretch-agnostics out there, here's a link of all the major stretching movements out there that you should make use of in combination of foam roller/tennis ball usage:

BB stretch compendium


Requesting GAF's Help
READ THE ENTIRE OP FIRST BEFORE REQUESTING HELP
If you are going to request a routine or advice on a routine, please READ THE ENTIRE OP and then use this template if you don't know which beginner's program to pick, or got any other questions:

  • Age:
  • Height:
  • Weight:
  • Goal:
  • Current Training Schedule:
  • Current Training Equipment Available:
  • Comments:
Wait, there's more!
If you've come this far, you might as well continue onto Post 2 (Nutrition) and Post 3 (Exercise instructions, In-depth information, Extra mobility information) to ensure you get the most out of your new routine.
 

sphinx

the piano man
Sphinx, first up - you look really strong. So fuckin awesome!

Second regarding bench - when was your last deload week on bench?

Third: Fuck scales, only scale worth a damn is a food scale.

first, thanks! yeah I liked the pic enough to share, unlike my failed Zyzz poses, lol,

you mean a recover week with no (bench) workout? mmhh... I guess it was back then when I was in spain :O 2 or 3 months ago?

regarding bench, it's so fucking random, that's what I hate about it. If there was a spotter or if I could use the power rack, I'g go with the menatlity of fucking destroying the lift and their family, like immortal says, I FEEL I can do it and whenever I have had a spotter, I've done 62.5 already 5x3, not the best ROM but decent, I've should be there already, 62,5 kgs, but I have so much mental shit that I go "safe" put 60 kgs, and going with fear into it. complete failure.

hate it with a passion. next time I'll grow a pair and wait and use the power rack, I'll probably go at wierd times so there's noone around.

This is me with deadlifts, I think overtime i'll become less neurotic. Reminds me of a great quote about deadlifts.

"you can’t be a mental midget when you’re deadlifting. You have to be 100% sure about your intention to destroy the lift, as well as the lift’s parents, children, and extended family."

and yea don't pay too much attention to the scale, looking good.

agreed on the quote,

if you don't mind me asking, what are you afraid of going into a DL? I mean, yeah, something can go wrong but can't you just drop the barbell, call it a failure but live another day to try again?

thanks man, big respect for you and all of the advanced guys here, I look up to all of you.
 

moocow

Member
So pre-appendectomy I was 175, and my last maxes on 531 bbb were:
squat 215x11
deadlifts 350 x 9
bench 235x11
shoulder press 135x10

Now about three months after, and maybe 2 months of starting strength I am now at 165 lbs

squat 245 3x5
deadlift 245 1x5
bench 200 3x5 (did incline cause the other benches were swamped)
press 115 3x5

This reset has been amazing for my upper body and everything feels super easy. I also finally manned up on squats, but fuck this shit is tough. The part on my back where I hold the bar is just torn up everytime.
Deadlifts still scare me because I always feel pressure on my midsection when I do them, so I really need to focus more on ab strength


I'm just going to keep lurking till I get back to my full strength and then maybe when I get more free time/start 531 again I will contribute alot more.
 
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Deleted member 47027

Unconfirmed Member
Some info about deload weeks and why they're beneficial:

The deload week uses three sets of five reps for each exercise at 40-60% of 1RM – very few reps and very light loads. The intent is to preserve the neuromuscular pathways of lifting without actually breaking down muscle (the usual intent of strength training).

Top CrossFit competitor Blair Morrison also uses deload weeks. Morrison trains 1-on/1-off for 3 weeks and then takes a week of recovery. His training days include up to three workouts. Morrison says, “I can go really hard in all those workouts because I know I have the next day as a rest day.”

How can you incorporate a deload week into your training? Simple. Every few weeks of training, take a week off. I have adopted the 3/1 ratio that Wendler and Morrison prescribe, and I recommend it. You still take your normal rest days during your training weeks, but when your training weeks are over, take a full week of dedicated recovery.

Schedule your deload week in advance, and stick to it. And when it arrives, remember that allowing your body to recover is more important than the fun of jumping into another workout. You are not wussing out—you are making yourself stronger!

FYI more scholarly folks in here can help you schedule a good deload week that'll work for you. I defer to their choices. I've only done a deload twice.
 

Imm0rt4l

Member
agreed on the quote,

if you don't mind me asking, what are you afraid of going into a DL? I mean, yeah, something can go wrong but can't you just drop the barbell, call it a failure but live another day to try again?

thanks man, big respect for you and all of the advanced guys here, I look up to all of you.

Not really afraid of hurting myself. I pace about the weight, and get to thinking too much. The weight I'm pulling is unimpressive, especially relative to my squats. I get to thinking about guys 50 lbs less than me who can pull 600+ "Is it my technique that's holding me back? Should I switch to Sumo?". I have a hard time committing sometimes, I'll assume that I'm stuck and don't even attempt to grind it out, I'll see that the speed maybe isn't where I'd like it to be and just say "Nope, I'm not getting it.". Thinking about it so much has got me thinking about my setup a lot though and that has improved a shit ton, I should probably just make sure I'm pulling the slack out of the bar in the beginning and just push through is all.
 

Nelo Ice

Banned
Man this week has been goin great compared to last week. Struggled badly and form was terrible at 185 lb squats last week. This week, I'm currently doin 205 lb squats!. Just did 1x5 and resting, 2 more sets!.
 
Not really afraid of hurting myself. I pace about the weight, and get to thinking too much. The weight I'm pulling is unimpressive, especially relative to my squats. I get to thinking about guys 50 lbs less than me who can pull 600+ "Is it my technique that's holding me back? Should I switch to Sumo?". I have a hard time committing sometimes, I'll assume that I'm stuck and don't even attempt to grind it out, I'll see that the speed maybe isn't where I'd like it to be and just say "Nope, I'm not getting it.". Thinking about it so much has got me thinking about my setup a lot though and that has improved a shit ton, I should probably just make sure I'm pulling the slack out of the bar in the beginning and just push through is all.
We have the exact same problem it seems, except mine is with squats. It's why I think I'll never have an amazing squat. I just think way too much under the bar. The worst part is that, as you know, it's just all in your head. I'll even have good squat days and quit early because I think something's wrong.

Sucks, you'll get through it bro!

Also Sean, I'll respond to your PMs today. My week's been a mass and my dog just got sick. So I haven't had much time to sit down.
 

Nelo Ice

Banned
So only got 1 full set of 205 lb squats. 2nd set my body was like nope after the 2nd rep. Is this normal? Thought it may be my back rounding but i'm def getting low enough. Guessing SS is just getting insanely hard since otherwise my form felt great the past week. Gonna move onto my last set but man this is getting tough.

Edit: After reading Suflowers post I'm thinking next week is deload or rest week.
 
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Deleted member 47027

Unconfirmed Member
Considering trying some myostat Q-4 prohormones as a supplement. They...kinda look like roids. Can anyone give me the skinny on this? Anyone tried it before?
 

sphinx

the piano man
Sphinx, I like to psych myself up before a big lift. All day I mentally picture myself putting up the weight with ease. I feel like if you go in with a failure mindset, you're more likely to have a shitty set.

Regardless you've definitely come a long way and imagine where you'll be 1-2 years from now.

As for the phone it's an iPhone 5 :)

yeah, I guess I have to change my mindset going into that but I need to feel safe doing it, I'll see how i goes next time.

so jelly, :D would love that phone but we the poor have to take crappy selfies with cheap-ass phones.


Thanks for taking your time! I like it so far, the thing about equipment, is it really needed? I mean, beginners won't be using any of that anyway... maybe mention the gloves thing?

I'm just going to keep lurking till I get back to my full strength and then maybe when I get more free time/start 531 again I will contribute alot more.

I remember you posting here last year, I am glad you are recovering, keep it up!

Deload week

Thanks for the explanation! more or less what I knew about it, a recover week. I probably should try that, even though I don't feel I stress myself that much, I go 4, often only 3 times a week to the gym, that's why I didn't feel the need to consider that.

maybe what I did 1 or 2 days ago influenced todays outcome, I come from a stressful but succesful OHP/shoulder session, maybe my arms weren't properly restored today...

Not really afraid of hurting myself. I pace about the weight, and get to thinking too much. The weight I'm pulling is unimpressive, especially relative to my squats. I get to thinking about guys 50 lbs less than me who can pull 600+ "Is it my technique that's holding me back? Should I switch to Sumo?". I have a hard time committing sometimes, I'll assume that I'm stuck and don't even attempt to grind it out, I'll see that the speed maybe isn't where I'd like it to be and just say "Nope, I'm not getting it.". Thinking about it so much has got me thinking about my setup a lot though and that has improved a shit ton, I should probably just make sure I'm pulling the slack out of the bar in the beginning and just push through is all.

yeah, you overthink things a little bit, it puts a lot of perspective regarding the mental strength olympic lifters must have going into a lift in competition. maybe we should try to follow their examples and just go in there, head-on and just push through, like you say, be more confident and cut the mental crap.

and man... the bolded... tsk tsk tsk.. :D you know that's a sin, to compare yourself to other guys, that's all mental trash, you probably know already but don't let those thoughts find place in your head, it's you against you, you fail when you don't maximize your potential, not when other guys are doing other things. There are probably thousands (hundresds?) of human beings around the globe weightling less than you and are deadlifting the same or more, forget that, it's useless.
 

SeanR1221

Member
We have the exact same problem it seems, except mine is with squats. It's why I think I'll never have an amazing squat. I just think way too much under the bar. The worst part is that, as you know, it's just all in your head. I'll even have good squat days and quit early because I think something's wrong.

Sucks, you'll get through it bro!

Also Sean, I'll respond to your PMs today. My week's been a mass and my dog just got sick. So I haven't had much time to sit down.

No problem! Take your time man :). Hope your dog gets better soon. Family comes first.
 

MjFrancis

Member
Considering trying some myostat Q-4 prohormones as a supplement. They...kinda look like roids. Can anyone give me the skinny on this? Anyone tried it before?
Prohormones are anabolic steroids. I've never partook but I did enough research a few years back to determine that I should avoid prohormones - certainly now but especially at the level of fitness I was at then. I considered revisiting the subject in five years - but now I'm not even sure I'll do that. The many different ways manufacturers can temporarily get around the prohormone ban can be fascinating if you are willing to do the research. They change a little bit here or there to stay ahead of the bans but they always catch up sooner or later.

And this is a generalization, and I've stated my lack of experience, but I've both read and heard from many lifters that would rather take an old fashioned, tried-and-true anabolic than any prohormone - on account of the additional side effects you get from pushing an oral drug through the liver among other worries. And of course you still have to get some sort of post-cycle therapy, the better of which come from gray-area markets and if you're doing that you may as well find a way to get straight T in the first place.
 

thomaser

Member
Equipment

  • Chalk-Chalk is going to be your best friend in the gym. I consider it to be an equalizer--it returns your hands to a dry, fresh state. Crucial for ANY heavy or grip intensive lifts--even the bench press and squat, at heavy weights. You don't need much, and it only belongs on your hands and the bar. A requirement for heavy deadlifts and pulls
  • Gloves-Unnecessary. Gloves are only an aesthetic choice for those who don't want calluses. Can "improve" your grip but you won't be helping your grip; in addition, it adds another layer between your grip and the bar.
  • Belt-Belts are meant to increase the support of your core through increasing your intrabdominal pressure. This is why the belts that taper in the front are quite perplexing--you WANT the pressure on your abdominal wall. Get a belt that is the same width all the way around. I only recommend using a belt on your heaviest sets, and only if you need to--they can impair your ability to increase your core strength if you become reliant on them.
  • Shoes-Weightlifting shoes are very important. You should not lift in running or crosstraining shoes, as the compressable heels/soles are terrible for weight lifting and do not allow consistent force production. Get something with a solid, flat sole (Chuck Taylors are great), or a dedicated weightlifting shoe.
  • Straps-Straps can be incredibly useful in assistance exercises and when your grip is already fatigued. Do NOT become reliant on them. I used them for heavy power shrugs, which is more than my max deadlift. Very useful in ballistic movements, as well.
  • Foam roller/Tennis balls - Use the tennis balls and/or foam roll to roll out any kinks in your muscles. Simply lay on the tennis ball/foam roller, and move it back and up.

I'd add a water bottle. Having a constant source of water with you at all times helps you stay focused and energized. And it's much better to have a bottle than going to the water fountain between sets... that just takes your concentration away from your next set. Seriously: a water bottle is the best equipment you can take with you, no matter how you're training.
 
I'd add a water bottle. Having a constant source of water with you at all times helps you stay focused and energized. And it's much better to have a bottle than going to the water fountain between sets... that just takes your concentration away from your next set. Seriously: a water bottle is the best equipment you can take with you, no matter how you're training.

Agreed, if I forget my water bottle, I'm heading out of the gym and buying myself one.
You can't gym without one.
 

Cooter

Lacks the power of instantaneous movement
I talked to an acquaintance that confessed to me today he's currently on winthrol (?). I know nothing about this stuff. It was interesting. He claims he'll keep 90% of his muscle. Says his energy and strength is through the roof!
 
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Deleted member 47027

Unconfirmed Member
Prohormones are anabolic steroids. I've never partook but I did enough research a few years back to determine that I should avoid prohormones - certainly now but especially at the level of fitness I was at then. I considered revisiting the subject in five years - but now I'm not even sure I'll do that. The many different ways manufacturers can temporarily get around the prohormone ban can be fascinating if you are willing to do the research. They change a little bit here or there to stay ahead of the bans but they always catch up sooner or later.

And this is a generalization, and I've stated my lack of experience, but I've both read and heard from many lifters that would rather take an old fashioned, tried-and-true anabolic than any prohormone - on account of the additional side effects you get from pushing an oral drug through the liver among other worries. And of course you still have to get some sort of post-cycle therapy, the better of which come from gray-area markets and if you're doing that you may as well find a way to get straight T in the first place.

Very helpful info. Thanks. I may hold off on using any prohormones. Apparently the game changed in 2004 and they were forced to play nice with some bans, but from what you said - there's ways to get it to do what they want it to do that isn't specifically talked about.

Thanks again for the elaboration.
 

Petrie

Banned
Being back on my cut was going well. Then I decided to order pizza. I feel like this is just how I want to unwind from my workweek, and I've earned it.

Maybe I've been cutting too long and need to accept it's time to bulk again.
 

Cooter

Lacks the power of instantaneous movement
Hmmm from what I know winstrol is mostly for cutting, not really anabolic growth (but I could be wrong, not an expert or anything)

Eat clen and tren hard
He is cutting but he said he should gain muscle and strength too.
 
Being back on my cut was going well. Then I decided to order pizza. I feel like this is just how I want to unwind from my workweek, and I've earned it.

Maybe I've been cutting too long and need to accept it's time to bulk again.
This is how I feel right now, but I I can't confirm my order.....*eats moar oats*
 

Detox

Member
I've hurt my arm and I'm not entirely sure what it is. It isn't pain instead it's tickling pain like when you feel your funny bone except this is my muscle on my left arm from the bicep to the elbow joint. Anyone know what it is?
 

SeanR1221

Member
Hey cut food can be fun. Post workout meal was amazing. Dinner will be chicken legs and thighs.

Tomorrow though. Mmmmpppfff. BBQ after the gym followed by burgers for dinner then seeing wolverine.
 

Petrie

Banned
I'm cutting my "cut" a week short. Progress pics incoming:


Time's unknown. Blob of grossness.
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1 year into serious training. June 2012.
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Over 2 years in. August 2013.
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I would kill to have real before pics. Newbies, do not skip them. They are an amazing revelation and if I could go back I know I'd truly be in awe had I done them proper.
 

sphinx

the piano man
regarding Pizza, just today I was holding one pizza in the supermarket, as I read through its nutritional info,

it seemed to have all the stuff anyone may want when bulking: easy calories and carbs, even a decent amount of protein was there, what's so bad about pizza? I keep on eating my grilled chicken breasts with veggies and sweet potatoes and I allow myself to eat pizza every now and then but I want moar! >_<

FE: Very cool pics and looking strong!

Petrie: Very Impressive!!! great job.

EDIT: and petrie you look scarily similar to my brother, without glasses you'd be twins (even with the muscles!! he's been working out for years)
 

Petrie

Banned
EDIT: and petrie you look scarily similar to my brother, without glasses you'd be twins (even with the muscles!! he's been working out for years)

Tell your brother I'm sorry he was given the short end of the stick on looks then! :)
I'm cutting my "cut" a week short. Progress pics incoming:


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Time's unknown. Blob of grossness.
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1 year into serious training. June 2012.
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Over 2 years in. August 2013.
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I would kill to have real before pics. Newbies, do not skip them. They are an amazing revelation and if I could go back I know I'd truly be in awe had I done them proper.

Reposting because I want to be on the new page!
 

abuC

Member
I talked to an acquaintance that confessed to me today he's currently on winthrol (?). I know nothing about this stuff. It was interesting. He claims he'll keep 90% of his muscle. Says his energy and strength is through the roof!


I think I'd look like a freakshow if I went on roids, the type of weights I can lift for reps in comparison to all the juice heads at my gym who aren't doing quite as much. Hell Zyzz could only bench 286lbs, yet he was like 210lbs and sub 10% bf.
 

Cooter

Lacks the power of instantaneous movement
I think I'd look like a freakshow if I went on roids, the type of weights I can lift for reps in comparison to all the juice heads at my gym who aren't doing quite as much. Hell Zyzz could only bench 286lbs, yet he was like 210lbs and sub 10% bf.
Yeah, I might turn green and start sporting ripped shorts if I ever tried that shit. I hear ya.
 

Cooter

Lacks the power of instantaneous movement
LOL, I can't lie it's tempting, but I'm far too cheap to go through with it.

I can honestly say I've never been tempted and since I am at a size now where I don't want to get any larger it's really a non-issue.
 

abuC

Member
I can honestly say I've never been tempted and since I am at a size now where I don't want to get any larger it's really a non-issue.

For me the cutting aspect is only tempting, I'm at a size where being any bigger isn't what I want. But to shed fat only would be nice, still not going to do it, I'm the guy that was plotting on getting to know the cute girl at GNC only for the discount. My cheapness simply will not allow it.
 
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