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Florida Legislature votes to remove statue of Confederate general

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Some positive Florida news for once!

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It's doubtful that most Floridians had even heard of Confederate Gen. Edmund Kirby Smith, yet the state has officially honored him since 1922 by placing his likeness in the National Statuary Hall. Well, today the Florida House of Representatives voted to remove ol' Kirby from the place of honor by an 83 to 32 margin. The Senate had passed the same resolution last month in a 33 to 7 vote. The bill will now be passed on to Gov. Rick Scott's desk, though it passed with veto-proof majorities in both chambers.

The move comes just months after the Florida Senate officially voted to remove the confederate flag from its official seal.

The National Statuary Hall is a neat little feature in the U.S. Capitol in which each state got to select two of its most treasured citizens to be represented in statue form. In 1914, Florida first chose John Gorrie, a doctor who invented a precursor to modern-day air conditioning (which totally makes sense, as this state would be unlivable without it), and eight years later they made their second choice in Smith. Both statues have stood there ever since despite the fact that states have been allowed to make replacements since 2003.


Opposition to Smith's place has grown over the past year, and basically comes down to four main arguments:

He was a Confederate general, which is controversial for obvious reasons. (And, frankly, he's not even a particularly notable Confederate general.)
The state should honor a woman along with a man.
He may have been born in Florida, but he never actually lived here as an adult and made no direct contributions to the state's history.
Florida has certainly changed a lot since 1922.
Arguments in the House mostly stuck to the third point. Though, Confederate heritage groups have lobbied strongly to keep Smith in the hall. According to the Associated Press, Rep. Jose Felix Diaz, R-Miami, says he's received hate mail and death threats for sponsoring the legislation in the first place.


Still, the argument that Smith doesn't actually have much to do with Florida was a winning one, though Scott hasn't signaled his position on the matter. The guy is an Illinois native, and the bill passed with a veto-proof majority. It's unlikely Scott would cause the unneeded controversy in vetoing the bill, but you never know with that guy.

In any event, the removal of the Smith statue will set up a discussion of who should replace him. That hasn't been decided yet. Environmentalist Marjory Stoneman Douglas, railway tycoon Henry Flagler, and even Walt Disney have all been mentioned as possible contenders.

Lawmakers believe that they'd easily find private funds to commission the new statute and that no Florida taxpayer money would be wasted in replacing it.

http://www.miaminewtimes.com/news/f...f-confederate-general-from-us-capitol-8274448
 

Valhelm

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Wow, I'm impressed.

I hope they don't destroy the statue, though. Our state's white supremacist past should be condemned but not forgotten.
 

Nairume

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Time to move on. Get it out of there.

Conservatives: "BUT WHAT ABOUT OUR HISTORY?!"

Put that shit in a museum.
It'll be delightful to see people come out of the woodwork to cry foul over the removal of shit like this when a lot of these confederate monuments were put up in bad faith to begin with.
 
Good move.sounds like a questionable choice even without the confederate issue.

Disney? Not born there, didn't die there, did he live there at all? Bad choice too imho, unless you are going for pure buzz.
 
Didn't know the Florida Senate Seal previously had the confederate flag on it. Looking at it, it has all of the flags the Florida territory/state flew under, though. That one, I wouldn't have been upset over given the context.

Similar to the Six Flags name and original logo (it represents the 6 flags that have flown over the republic/state of Texas).

But good for this. Put it in a museum.
 

Toxi

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Its a piece of history, nothing more.
It's a piece of not particularly notable history that has little to do with Florida.

He may have been born in Florida, but he never actually lived here as an adult and made no direct contributions to the state's history.

Basically, the only reason anyone cared enough about the guy in Florida to erect a statue of him is because he was a Confederate General.
 

Nairume

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Basically, the only reason anyone cared enough about the guy in Florida to erect a statue of him is because he was a Confederate General.
Thus giving them an easy figure to jump to when they were trying to fill up public space in order to deny any space for other communities to use for memorialization.
 

mclem

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Curious how the statue came about in the first place, given that the whole "Not a lot to do with Florida" thing seems pretty clear-cut. I mean, even if you're of the mindset that you want to make a statue to honour such a person, couldn't you at least find one with direct and lasting relevance to your own state?
 

Nairume

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Curious how the statue came about in the first place, given that the whole "Not a lot to do with Florida" thing seems pretty clear-cut. I mean, even if you're of the mindset that you want to make a statue to honour such a person, couldn't you at least find one with direct and lasting relevance to your own state?
As I touched on above, a lot of it was that local/state governments were seeking to prevent minority communities (especially during the Civil Rights era) from being able to use public space for their own memorialization purposes, so they'd regularly push as much random monuments to the Confederacy as they could get away with regardless of whether or not there were any actual connections or otherwise legitimate reasons for said monuments.

It's why you'll even see monuments to the confederacy in parts of the south where people actually fought for the Union.
 

mclem

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As I touched on above, a lot of it was that local/state governments were seeking to prevent minority communities (especially during the Civil Rights era) from being able to use public space for their own memorialization purposes, so they'd regularly push as much random monuments to the Confederacy as they could get away with regardless of whether or not there were any actual connections or otherwise legitimate reasons for said monuments.

It's why you'll even see monuments to the confederacy in parts of the south where people actually fought for the Union.


Ah, so it's basically this sketch, with the toilet playing the part of a monument to the confederacy?
 

jmood88

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As I touched on above, a lot of it was that local/state governments were seeking to prevent minority communities (especially during the Civil Rights era) from being able to use public space for their own memorialization purposes, so they'd regularly push as much random monuments to the Confederacy as they could get away with regardless of whether or not there were any actual connections or otherwise legitimate reasons for said monuments.

It's why you'll even see monuments to the confederacy in parts of the south where people actually fought for the Union.
I had no idea that this happened. That's crazy.
 
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