farmerboy
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Pet hate of mine too. Midscreen should be eye level. Simple as that
[Focus] Space Marine 2 update brings PS5 Pro support today
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saintjules
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Bartski
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punching nazis
same here, only 21k dead xenos to goTime to go back and plat it, the game is so good
SKYF@ll
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The Pro version of this game looks sharp and clear even without zooming.
Scenes with a lot of action are particularly impressive.
I can't wait to see where DF zooms in and complains.
They will find the way don't worry. If the 400% zoom won't work they always have 800% oneThe Pro version of this game looks sharp and clear even without zooming.
Scenes with a lot of action are particularly impressive.
I can't wait to see where DF zooms in and complains.
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Spukc
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What ps5 pro owner lacks a VRR screen ?
Posting again here. Performance mode really does look pristine. Still, I would not recommened without a VRR screen.
Desprado123
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You can judge the PS5 Pro launch by just seeing how Sony Fanboys are mocking other tech analysis like DF by their assumption that they will
find faults in PS5 Pro by zooming. Yes that much sad launch PS5 Pro is having that even average person can guess the faults with mocking that
why you are not hiding the issues and get along with it.
find faults in PS5 Pro by zooming. Yes that much sad launch PS5 Pro is having that even average person can guess the faults with mocking that
why you are not hiding the issues and get along with it.
Quezacolt
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8.5 for me
Physiognomonics
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DF are going to talk about it in a direct for like 5mn... Too good results for PSSR and PS5 Pro. They need to focus on the bad stuff to paint a narrative about PSSR like "What's going on with PSSR? It's so bad!"The Pro version of this game looks sharp and clear even without zooming.
Scenes with a lot of action are particularly impressive.
I can't wait to see where DF zooms in and complains.
BlitzerRadic
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r/tvtoohigh
TehGoomba7s
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You can judge how well it's doing by clueless trolls such as yourself posting waffle.
SKYF@ll
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It's fine if DF accurately states the pros and cons of the PSSR compared to the base PS5.
Zooming in and missing flaws like this one, for example, is not good tech analysis.
TrebleShot
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Is this how you play games?
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S0ULZB0URNE
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To be fair. I have VRR, but I prefer not use it. And with a Pro you'd hope to get a locked 60fps in games where they weren't quite getting there. I dont think devs should be making games with a mandatory requirement for VRR. VRR for sure needed here though.What ps5 pro owner lacks a VRR screen ?
Xtib81
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Good thing the photo was taken from the next room for perfect viewing experience.
They're the same people who tell you they see no difference between 1080p or 4k or that they see no aliasing in their games lmao.
Fabieter
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Can you explain to me like iam five why online coop is killing performance without it being some kind of bug. You have always two people with you so that doesn't make sense to me tho.
gooner4life_uk
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lol wut
Spukc
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He is right tho VRR IS to maximize gaming foreal
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Mate, if you're feeling thick as fuck. Please dont quote me demonstrating it. Now if you want to try and apply some intelligence and ask me something specific about my take. Please feel free to do so.
crazyriddler
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We've gone from "PSSR is better than DLSS" to "This game using PSSR does look better than on base PS5 if you don't zoom in" in just one month, wild.
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The issues I have is. By turning it on, I cant engage BFI. I also get a touch more motion blur on my Bravia LCD as it relaxes pixel timings. And on my OLED I get some gamma shift and on occasion some unwanted side effects like menu flickering. And even when you unlock frame rates above 60. Then that means you're dropping Chroma from 444 to 422. I use VRR and it can be great in fixing issues. But if I want constant frame rate, with absolutely no compromises to image quality/picture processing, then a locked 60fps is the sweet spot for me.
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Ironman_Bad
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Except that no one said this here, but keep it going, brave warrior
HeWhoWalks
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We have?
Vick
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Looks a very good patch, IQ difference was extremely noticeable through most of the video.
I'd likely get the game soon, even just to support the devs for their old-school approach at gaming development.
Analysis - PS5 Pro/PSSR Appears to Provide Better Image Reconstruction than DLSS Running on a 4090 GPU
I was curious and went looking back on DF comparisons of PS5 resolution/fidelity modes with a 4090 DLAA max settings, and preliminary comparison suggests to me that PSSR is potentially a vastly superior solution. I gathered the limited samples from today's Cerny tech talk where base PS5 fidelity...
Horseganador
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It seems like a pretty good PS5 pro patch, when the developers put in the work it shows and the PSSR works.
Tqaulity
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The fact that some people look at this PRO patch and talk about how it's disappointment is a clear reflection of how unrealistic the expectations of the PRO are. This is an excellent patch that does exactly what the PRO was designed to do. PSSR is a clear win here and looks much better than the FSR solution on the base PS5 (especially in motion). In fact, the PSSR advantage here is reminiscent of the impact it makes in Final Fantasy VII Rebirth in terms of the clarity and the detail improvement. Anyone who has seen the game in person on the base and now on PRO would immediately see the improvement. It's that obvious and impactful.
Some folks want to say that the performance is mostly the same but that misses the point as well:
If this PRO patch is sub par to you than you need to stay far away from the PS5 PRO as it clearly is not useful to you and you're probably already gaming on a high end PC that you enjoy. With all the shoddy developer QA for PRO patches, we should be applauding Saber for taking some time and doing a quality patch to improve on a game that could benefit most. Kuddos to the team!
Some folks want to say that the performance is mostly the same but that misses the point as well:
- The performance is in fact improved over the base by ~10-20% in the stress cases. The game spends the vast majority of the time running at 60fps and where it dropped down to the low 40s on the base (outside the VRR range) the PRO generally only drops to the low 50s/high 40s (still within VRR range). The fact that it drops at all in those stress cases was already known prior to the update....those scenes are CPU bound and the PRO's CPU is the same right? So it's bound to still drop in those cases. Yet, it doesn't drop as much maybe due to the 10% boost to the CPU clock. Bottom line, 99% of the time on a VRR display will feel like a smooth 60fps experience on the PRO.
- The fact that the performance is on par or better is actually an accomplishment because people seem to forget that the workload isn't the same as the base PS5. The PRO is rendering 2x the number of pixels compared to the base (in both the min and and max range of the input resolution) in performance mode! On top of that, it's now running PSSR which we all know is not free and has a perf penalty in most cases. But even with a 2x increase in resolution and PSSR, it still is running better on PRO!
If this PRO patch is sub par to you than you need to stay far away from the PS5 PRO as it clearly is not useful to you and you're probably already gaming on a high end PC that you enjoy. With all the shoddy developer QA for PRO patches, we should be applauding Saber for taking some time and doing a quality patch to improve on a game that could benefit most. Kuddos to the team!
Bartski
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Been playing the game quite a bit last weekend and after putting 60+ hrs into it on base PS5, the Pro patch is night and day difference. Once again I'm just blown away how great this game can look, exceeding the base PS5 Quality mode in Speed Mode now while running smooth as butter - most of the time. While I don't have much comparison playing the Pro unpatched version, which had apparently more stable fps in Speed, that doesn't change the fact that image quality-wise wise it was one of the worst-looking framerate prioritizing PS5 modes out there. To the point I played most of the campaign in quality at 30 fps, something I'd never do in an action game. So I'm more than happy sacrificing a few frames, if that even is the case, for this new look.
And that's because it's not really about esthetics, but readability that used to be completely shit and swarms attacking in the far field felt like shooting this amorphous blob of pixels. To me that's a gameplay issue. With minor exceptions the game doesn't feel like it's chugging in heavy combat moments either, which means I'm way better at dodging and parrying all of a sudden.
Best time to get it on Playstation if you haven't already.
And that's because it's not really about esthetics, but readability that used to be completely shit and swarms attacking in the far field felt like shooting this amorphous blob of pixels. To me that's a gameplay issue. With minor exceptions the game doesn't feel like it's chugging in heavy combat moments either, which means I'm way better at dodging and parrying all of a sudden.
Best time to get it on Playstation if you haven't already.
Feel Like I'm On 42
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I'm actually disappointed with the Pro patcg for this game. You see, while both the Fidelity and Performance modes look better than they did before, there is such a big discrepancy to the visuals between Fidelity and Performance modes. Try flipping back and forth, Performance is softer and has less detail. The ideal Pro patch retains the graphics quality of Quality mode while allowing us to play that at 40 or 60 fps. Thats always been my hops with games and this is yet another that can't quite pull that off. There are no major issues with this patch but its rather bare bones.
Ironman_Bad
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Topher
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The idea Pro path retains the visuals of Quality mode of base PS5 but at 60fps. That is what this patch does. Yeah.....PS5 Pro fidelity mode is even higher rez, but that comes at the cost of frame rate.
Where is the problem? This is a significant upgrade in visuals even with Performance mode.
Here......
The Pro version of this game looks sharp and clear even without zooming.
Scenes with a lot of action are particularly impressive.
I can't wait to see where DF zooms in and complains.
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Feel Like I'm On 42
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How can you not be disappointed by the fact that this doesn't have Quality mode-LIKE visuals at 60 fps though? That was the premise behind the Pro and the minimum way we should be judging Pro patches on.
I just spent time switching back and forth between the 2 modes and the differece is huge. Yes, Performance mode is a pretty big upgrade over the awful looking version on base ps5 but that's a low bar. You're just gaslighting right now.
Feel Like I'm On 42
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That's not what this does though ...current Perf mode is a big step down from Quality
Skifi28
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From the current quality mode or the base ps5 quality mode?
Topher
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If you are switching back and forth between Quality mode and Performance mode in PS5 Pro, you are not comparing it to base PS5 at all. Those are both modes of higher quality/frame rate than PS5.
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Tqaulity
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Umm, because I have realistic expectations and understand what the PRO is designed for. I know you're not seriously comparing the Pro's Performance mode to the PRO's own quality mode?
Dude the premise of the PRO was to deliver similar quality to the base PS5 quality modes at Performance level speeds. You're over here comparing the PRO's quality mode to the PRO's performance mode? Really? Of course the Performance mode is going to cut some things in order to run 2x as fast. But compared to the base PS5's quality, the PRO's performance mode is mostly comparable if not even sharper in most cases.
Exactly! He's comparing it to the PRO's quality mode when the proper comparison is to the base PS5's quality mode
Ashamam
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Just look at the post history. Not really qualified to say but looks like textbook confirmation bias.
Oh you're an idiot
The Quality mode isn't the same as on the base console. The Pro Performance mode is now pushing the base Quality mode resolution while the Pro Quality mode is an even higher resolution.Feel Like I'm On 42
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The current quality mode and the pre-Pro patched quality mode. I never played this on base PS5, only on Pro, but the quality mode already looked great.
Feel Like I'm On 42
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The point is ...the current Performance mode doesn't look that good. So that's disapointing. I never played thus on base PS5 but I played it pre-patch and the quality mode looked great (hardly a difference between PSSR and Quality mode pre patch both look great). I repeat, pre-patched Quality mode looked a fuck of a lot better than Pro performance mode!Oh you're an idiot
I would've been happy with a Quality mode that runs at 40 fps. 40 fps is just enough to make it feel good to play still. Instead it's the same dichotomy we're left with. We can get great visuals at 30 fps or mediocre visuals at a good framerate.
Black Myths balance mode accomplishes that, why can't this game? Avatar accomplishes it at 40 fps. Many games on Pro have accomplished that too- Alan Wake 2, God of War, both LoU games, Ratchet etc but just as many Pro updates unfortunately leave me cold, having to make sacrifices just like base PS5. Silent Hill 2 is one such game too that we must choose
You guys always looking for some "gotcha" moment and trying to paint me a certain way. Well guess what? Fuck you too. I've been consistent all along and will give praise when a game delivers the goods according to my expectations. You guys just get butt hurt when someone speaks negatively about the Pro, which is pathetic, as I bought one the same as you. I have every right to criticise it as i see fit. You guys always try to gang up on me and resort to name calling. That's a fanboy trait you should look into that.
Topher
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Nah....the pushback you are getting is on you. Hard to even follow what you are talking about. First you were "switching" between performance and quality modes and acting shocked that there was a difference in visual quality. Then it was current vs pre-patched quality mode. Now you want a higher frame rate quality mode, but still don't seem to understand that quality is going to be reduced even if frames are bumped to 40fps. Dude....there are always going to be sacrifices. Seriously....you are all over the place. Don't blame anyone else for that.
I think you would have been better off just saying "I wish this game had a 40fps mode like BMW" and left it at that. That is something I think most could understand.
REDRZA MWS
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Could it possibly be the SX is a 12 TF monster? Can we stop acting Lionel these consoles, the hardware themselves, are sooooo much different? They are both AMD SoC with customizations, same memory, both standard SSD's……… people still fanboying dumb shit. I'm sorry, it's almost comical now.Wonder why this performs worse than XSX it's a puzzle yet to be solved guess DF will be on it at some point...
PSSR looks good must be using the latest
Topher
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Really brings a crisper clearer image to performance mode. Been playing today with my son in coop modes and really has smooth performance. Very impressed.
Feel Like I'm On 42
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I was flipping back and forth when testing today and noticed the big disparity of graphics. Then I made the point that while I never played it on base ps5, I did play the pre-patched Quality mode on the Pro, and it looked just as good as the patched quality mode. Very small difference. So at least when played on the Pro, Performance mode does NOT look as good as pre-patched Quality mode as some here are claiming. I never claimed to have seen or played the game on base PS5 so i don't know how much the game benefitted from DRS, but I can't imagine the claim that "you idiot, Pro Perf mode looks just as good as base PS5 quality" is true .....i may not have played it on base PS5 but i played the same PS5 code on my Pro. The performance mode is still missing the high res textures that Quality mode has too btw, so in no world could it possibly look as good as the base PS5's Quality mode, DRS or not. I know this is complicated but try to keep up.
I'm not all over the place. As to your point that "theres always going to be sacrifices" when moving up in FPS, yes of course, but that's where PSSR and the Pro are supposed to come into play to implement high quality, AI-upscaling that "makes up for a lower resolution. As we have seen with other games! Last of Us 1 and 2, GOW Ragnarok, Ratchet, even Alan Wake 2 pull it off. This game doesn't quite pull that of and certainly its not hitting on those "near-quality mode visuals at 60 fps" while using lower resolution textures.
People are just happy apparently with the Performance mode looking a lot better now than it did. Which it does. Doesn't mean this is a great patch though when it's failing to remove that large sacrifice one must make between choosing visuals or performance...you see now?
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Topher
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You really trying to be condescending? lol....ok. But no.....it really isn't complicated. You just did not convey your points very well. You've finally managed to piece together a clear post here, thankfully. But moving on....
Pro and PSSR do not mitigate the need for compromises. That's not even the case on PC which is why DLSS quality, balanced, performance modes exist. We don't just turn on DLSS and magically get high quality at high frames every time. Lower resolution improves frame rate and each mode has different levels of resolution from which it upscales. That's true for PSSR as well.
Tqaulity
already made the point about textures in the post where you said he was "gaslighting". You really only notice that difference, however, when you do what you did: switch back and forth constantly to find differences. The most notable difference, right off the bat, without having to switch modes is the clarity in performance mode.But yes, I do think most here are more interested in performance mode and it is a huge improvement there, with or without the high rez textures. And it was able to improve quality and performance even with its limited CPU, something many here said wouldn't happen with a CPU bound game like SM2.
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