For how long should the current-gen last?

Kacho said:
Generations aren't determined by power. It's the next generation Nintendo console. Semantics don't change that.
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Yes, the Switch 2 will be Nintendo's next-gen console by name. it's fair to say it's behind the curve. When PS5 and Series X are pushing near-instant load times with NVMe SSDs, seamless multitasking, and advanced GPU features, a device that's still chasing 1080p 60fps with mid-tier mobile hardware isn't exactly feeling "next-gen" in the broader gaming context. Nintendo marches to the beat of its own drum, and that's fine. Innovation in gameplay and IP is their strong suit. But let's not pretend that being two steps behind in technical advancements doesn't matter.

Switch 2:
Probably capped at 60Hz hardly anything if any at 120Hz+
Upscaled 4K only, not native
Likely No Ray-traced audio / advanced spatial sound
No Variable Refresh Rate

I'll say it again, the Switch 2 is next gen for Nintendo.
 
I haven't felt much difference from previous gen. The jumps in visuals are almost non-existent now. So i guess it doesn't matter if it lasts 1 more year or 10.
 
Idleyes said:
Yes, the Switch 2 will be Nintendo's next-gen console by name. it's fair to say it's behind the curve. When PS5 and Series X are pushing near-instant load times with NVMe SSDs, seamless multitasking, and advanced GPU features, a device that's still chasing 1080p 60fps with mid-tier mobile hardware isn't exactly feeling "next-gen" in the broader gaming context. Nintendo marches to the beat of its own drum, and that's fine. Innovation in gameplay and IP is their strong suit. But let's not pretend that being two steps behind in technical advancements doesn't matter.

Switch 2:
Probably capped at 60Hz hardly anything if any at 120Hz+
Upscaled 4K only, not native
Likely No Ray-traced audio / advanced spatial sound
No Variable Refresh Rate

I'll say it again, the Switch 2 is next gen for Nintendo.
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Did this post come from 2005? Nintendo hasn't been competing against Xbox or PlayStation for literally decades.

The switch 2 is a generally leap over the switch 1, and that's all that matters.
 
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analog_future said:
Did this post come from 2005? Nintendo hasn't been competing against Xbox or PlayStation for literally decades.

The switch 2 is a generally leap over the switch 1, and that's all that matters.
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My post isn't about console wars, read it again. It's about how the term "next-gen" means one thing to Nintendo and something entirely different to the rest of the industry. That contrast is the point. Leading with an insult tells me you're one of those people sucking off some Nintendo executive.
 
Idleyes said:
Yes, the Switch 2 will be Nintendo's next-gen console by name. it's fair to say it's behind the curve. When PS5 and Series X are pushing near-instant load times with NVMe SSDs, seamless multitasking, and advanced GPU features, a device that's still chasing 1080p 60fps with mid-tier mobile hardware isn't exactly feeling "next-gen" in the broader gaming context. Nintendo marches to the beat of its own drum, and that's fine. Innovation in gameplay and IP is their strong suit. But let's not pretend that being two steps behind in technical advancements doesn't matter.

Switch 2:
Probably capped at 60Hz hardly anything if any at 120Hz+
Upscaled 4K only, not native
Likely No Ray-traced audio / advanced spatial sound
No Variable Refresh Rate

I'll say it again, the Switch 2 is next gen for Nintendo.
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None of this matters as far as generations are concerned. By your logic the GameCube and Wii are the same generation and so are the Wii U and Switch. It doesn't make sense and unnecessarily complicates things.
 
For end of significant support, ie crossgen, any time between 2027 and 2033 (yes almost to ps7) have their pros and cons.

It was looking like the ps5 hanging around would prevent rt lighting from becoming standardized, but I change my mind on that. The rt showcases up to a certain point were heavy implementations and basically tech demos that only expensive cards could run. But back then, there was at least metro showing the potential of smartly using rt on consoles. Now, there are a few more showing the way and if the statements from the doom interview about saving that much development time is true, and they did it with the meager rt abilities of series s, then it's the best implementation yet.
 
Kacho said:
None of this matters as far as generations are concerned. By your logic the GameCube and Wii are the same generation and so are the Wii U and Switch. It doesn't make sense and unnecessarily complicates things.
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Sorry it's too complicated for you but I can do fuck all about that dawg.
 
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Ainem Enamas said:
I mean PS5, Series, and Switch 2.
Personally for me it's a tough thought to think, because of this the Last Days (as in the Bible). I think it should just simply continue longer than the previous gens, do gamers actually want something more tech-wise. With all these upscaling methods, and frame-generators. Most of us are far-in-life, I personally am 35 now. Do you actually want more graphical push, are you not playing for gameplay. Also there's an option to max-out graphics on PC if need that.
What about you?
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I'm honestly fine with another 4 years.

No one is utilizing current tech to the fullest, we have very few amazing games, and with the rise in costs I don't want to invest when I just got a pro.

Switch 2 will last likely 8+ years, but PS5/Pro could use another 4 in the oven.

Xbox I'd love to see do away with Series S end of this year, and make the series X the "entry" box by lower pricing a bit and then launching a new console next year perhaps with better than Pro specs. Then we have much better scaling for games so they don't have to make it function for series S as well which has held a lot of companies back this gen.
 
FalconPunch said:
The switch 2 is part of the ps5/series generation. Nintendo don't start the gen, they just release late. Sony and Microsoft start the gen. Nintendo release part way through.
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Bruh, the world revolves around Nintendo. Didn't you know that next gen doesn't happen until Nintendo releases a console? Get with the times man.
 
Idleyes said:
My post isn't about console wars, read it again. It's about how the term "next-gen" means one thing to Nintendo and something entirely different to the rest of the industry. That contrast is the point. Leading with an insult tells me you're one of those people sucking off some Nintendo executive.
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I'm not even a Nintendo fan lol.

You said it right in your post; next-gen also means something different when talking PC vs Xbox/Playstation.

"Next-gen" is a nebulous term regardless of what platform you're talking about. The only logical way to determine what "next-gen" means is to compare it to previous generations of that same platform.
 
Kacho said:
Doesn't DLSS add +2 generations?
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Bruh… DLSS dropped way back in 2019. Like, that was three Avengers movies ago. And now we're calling Switch 2 "next-gen" for using DLSS? Unless it's rocking DLSS 4.0 (which just dropped in January), it's next-gen for Nintendo. Even DLSS 2.0 released 5 years ago. :pie_wfwt:
 
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MALpractice311 said:
These guys get it. I was going to post almost exactly the same points. This generation hasn't even really started because game development is at a fucking snail's pace due to the pandemic delays and the GAAS obsession.
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Yes on paper thats how its supposed to be but that is not going to be the case. They will push out new Xbox and PS in 2+ years, no way will this generation last 9 years, to be longer than 7th gen consoles. Corpos need to make their money, quarterly cashflow needs to be filled. Neither PS5 nor XsX are difficult to develop for, they keep making cross-gen games just because they want more people to buy their game.

Game development is not at a snail's pace, if others could of made PS5 exclusive games years back, others can too, they just refuse to. Also its been at least 2+ years since the pandemic wasnt a thing anymore where people didnt work full speed.
 
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Idleyes said:
Bruh… DLSS dropped way back in 2019. Like, that was three Avengers movies ago. And now we're calling Switch 2 "next-gen" for using DLSS? Unless it's rocking DLSS 4.0 (which just dropped in January), it's next-gen for Nintendo. Even DLSS 2.0 released 5 years ago. :pie_wfwt:
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Xbox/Playstation can't utilize the superior DLSS. Nintendo is gens ahead, confirmed.
 
I consider Switch 2 early next-gen. It will mostly be going up against PS6 and whatever Xbox Microsoft drags to the market.
 
Mortisfacio said:
Xbox/Playstation can't utilize the superior DLSS. Nintendo is gens ahead, confirmed.
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Zoinks! I forgot about that. :messenger_beaming:

Edit: That said, PS5 and Series X will likely still be seen as ahead of the Switch 2 since they're already using FSR 3, which dropped in 2024. For the Switch 2 to be on par, it really needs to be rocking something beyond DLSS 2.0.
 
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I think 8yrs should be standard going forward for Sony.

Midgen slim/pro update at the 4yr mark.

2 & 6yr mark for major peripheral/accessory releases (portal, updated controllers/headsets, vr, new portable/handheld etc.), leaving everything nicely spaced for core gamers that are likely to buy many of these things while giving them a breather on the financial outlay between major purchases. Also keeps the platform fresh and exciting having new stuff. It also allows these things to be adapted to the platform rather than trying to wrangle with design flaws or a lacking featureset because you didn't think ahead (an issue Sony continues to have).

In terms of the console itself, we're seeing most devs down to 1, maybe 2 games a gen, so we need a platform with a long life to make it truly worth it. Not to mention wanting to get a bigger leap when we do upgrade to a new gen. That extra year could make quite a difference.

For PS6 I'm hoping 2028 and 2032 for a Pro. Same cadence perhaps for PS7, then after that I wouldn't be surprised if there are some unforeseen paradigm changes. Either the whole thing collapses in on itself as there's no means of offering technical upgrades due to exponential cost increase and in the vacuum something new replaces it; or, AI gets so good that it catapults us to a new level of technological capability, where our home computing devices see absurd amounts acceleration in a short time.
 
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analog_future said:
I'm not even a Nintendo fan lol.

You said it right in your post; next-gen also means something different when talking PC vs Xbox/Playstation.

"Next-gen" is a nebulous term regardless of what platform you're talking about. The only logical way to determine what "next-gen" means is to compare it to previous generations of that same platform.
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You have a strange way of agreeing with people. I suggest you work on that. :messenger_winking_tongue:
 
Kacho said:
Brilliant. Let's map this out.

Switch 2
PS5
Series X

Switch
PS4
Xbox One

Wii U
PS3
360

Wii
PS2
Xbox

GameCube
PS1

Checks out
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You cant go backwards 30 years and try to find a thread of what next gen console is because back in the day until Wii, Nintendo was releasing the console around the same time MS and PS did so all 3 were in direct competition at the same time. Wii U you can say went further but the console itself was literally catching up to PS3 and 360...first time it got HD lol.

What is next gen about Switch 2? Its borderline ps4 level of power, again playing catchup. What technology is in S2 that is considered 5 years later new that PS5 or XsX dont have? Its a current gen console...and its like power wise 10 years behind in power of current gen consoles. Nothing about it is next-gen.
 
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Skyfox said:
No one knows when the last days are. Mayan fucking calendars. Millenial bug. Ww3. Aliens. Nukes. Meteors. Suicide cults. AI. Twin Towers. Covid.

There could well be another 10,000 years on the clock for all we know.
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Mayan, and things like that are in a 'random category'. Maybe even planned.
What's going on in the world right now, the intensity and how frequently thing's are happening, and what's being predicted like economy etc. I'm just being fucking cautious, and a little bit following what's happening in the world, as Jesus described this
Gaming is very dear to me, and gaming community is also very dear to me. I'm just sliding the info here
 
A long time. If the usable mileage of a car was as low as next gen exclusives were this gen you would never buy another car.

They should change when they can get a game out in 2 years and the console under £200. They have been fucking the software and hardware models to the point it is barely worth investing in any of it, from company side and customer side.
 
The 360 was the first of gen 7 by a full year.

I dont see why the switch 2 cant be considered the start of gen 10, and it sounds like we may get the next xbox next year and probably the ps6 the following year.
Evil Calvin said:
Isn't Switch 2 really 'last gen' since it's supposedly only as powerful as the PS4Pro?
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by that logic the wii is 6th gen along with the gamecube and the the wii u is 7th gen. (Not to mention the series s would be 8th since its effectively as powerful as the xbox one x but i digress.)

Nintendo doesnt do high performance, they stopped bothering after the gamecube.
 
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AeonGaidenRaiden said:
You cant go backwards 30 years and try to find a thread of what next gen console is because back in the day until Wii, Nintendo was releasing the console around the same time MS and PS did so all 3 were in direct competition at the same time. Wii U you can say went further but the console itself was literally catching up to PS3 and 360...first time it got HD lol.

What is next gen about Switch 2? Its borderline ps4 level of power, again playing catchup. What technology is in S2 that is considered 5 years later new that PS5 or XsX dont have? Its a current gen console...and its like power wise 10 years behind in power of current gen consoles. Nothing about it is next-gen.
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But it's not about power, remember? That word's basically a trigger for Nintendo. Their whole stance is that innovation > power. Honestly, what they call power, I call innovation. Nintendo just operates in their own world, and that's not necessarily a bad thing until one day it BECOMES A BAD THING. Reggie agrees with me.
 
You have to realize that with this generation started a cycle of long cross gen periods. The PS6 will come out in 2027/28 but PS5 games will keep coming out until 3-4 years into the PS6. The PS6 will be the best place to play those cross gen games, same as PS5 with things like GoWR and HFW. And i dont think there is anything wrong with that as long as we still get 1 or 2 games per year that takes full advantage of the new gen console.
 
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I think that as happened in PS4 and PS5, PS6 will be released 7 years after its predecesor. Meaning, PS6 would release November 2027.

I also think that as happened with all the other previous PS home consoles, PS5 will get discontinued after over 10 years after its release. Pretty likely this time 12 or 13 years (2032 or 2033).

Reason of longer life: GaaS, gamesubs and discounts now give games and consoles a longer life, and that also helps to get crossgen games for a longer period of time, specially because when technically it's easier than ever due to modern engines and very similar architecture, and game features, size etc not being an issue to avoid a previous gen version of a game. Games in the next just look a bit better for most casual players.

Kacho said:
Switch 2 isn't current gen. It's the first next gen console.
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I'd say if something it's from the PS4 gen.
 
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I cannot beleive the PS5 came out in 2020.

I'll only be buying one when GTAVI comes out.

As far as im concerned, this generation can last another 5 years.
 
Let me clarify something: I fully understand and agree with using a timeline-based view to define console generations. That makes sense when we're talking about release cycles. What I push back on is the idea that consoles, which are already using outdated tech by the time they launch, being the benchmark for what qualifies as next-gen. I think that's where the confusion around my posts is coming from. New system iteration sounds more accurate but it has too many syllables.

By Nintendo's standard, Next-Gen is simply innovation in gameplay. It doesn't necessarily relate to the hardware or software it's run on , it's about how people play. Cool, I get that. But by that same standard, their IPs are old as fuck. Link hasn't left his Hyrule zip code and Zelda can't keep her bitch ass out of trouble, Mario's still chasing Peach flavored pussy and Samus is still rolling through the same corridors shooting missiles to open doors. So if 'how you play' defines the generation, Nintendo's been stuck in the same gen for decades.
 
2027 would be a good year, but I have a feeling that it will drag out till 2028.
PS5 is selling well, and there's no competition in highend home console market, and with GPU pricing out of most folks comfortable reach... I think Sony is in good position to drag and milk this out.

Hopefully by then, chip market would be more settled with cheaper price. I do hope other foundries would become more competitive that we don't have to be bottlenecked by only 1 company, TSMC.
 
Its Been A Long Time Waiting GIF
 
The bigger question is, when did this generation begin? 🤔

I remember the old toot being peddled of 'no loading screens' etc

Yet here we are, same old dross.
 
Let's see, so far, excluding cross-gen games, there have been:
  • no Elder Scrolls games
  • no Fallout games
  • no Rockstar games
  • no Naughty Dog games
  • no Santa Monica games
  • no From games
Feels this gen has barely even started, may as well last until 2030 as far as I'm concerned.
 
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devutos said:
Let's see, so far, excluding cross-gen games, there have been:
  • no Elder Scrolls games
  • no Fallout games
  • no Rockstar games
  • no Naughty Dog games
  • no Santa Monica games
Feels this gen has barely even started, may as well last until 2030 as far as I'm concerned.
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My thoughts as well.

I would say COVID has had impact on this.
 
AeonGaidenRaiden said:
Yes on paper thats how its supposed to be but that is not going to be the case. They will push out new Xbox and PS in 2+ years, no way will this generation last 9 years, to be longer than 7th gen consoles. Corpos need to make their money, quarterly cashflow needs to be filled. Neither PS5 nor XsX are difficult to develop for, they keep making cross-gen games just because they want more people to buy their game.

Game development is not at a snail's pace, if others could of made PS5 exclusive games years back, others can too, they just refuse to. Also its been at least 2+ years since the pandemic wasnt a thing anymore where people didnt work full speed.
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Prior gens resulted in entire trilogies from single developers.

Uncharted.
Mass Effect.
Gears of War.
Demons Souls/Dark Souls/Dark Souls 2.
Bloodborne/Dark Souls 3/Sekiro.

This gen has completely changed regarding development time. So yes, it clearly has slowed to a snails pace.
 
MALpractice311 said:
Prior gens resulted in entire trilogies from single developers.

Uncharted.
Mass Effect.
Gears of War.
Demons Souls/Dark Souls/Dark Souls 2.
Bloodborne/Dark Souls 3/Sekiro.

This gen has completely changed regarding development time. So yes, it clearly has slowed to a snails pace.
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The effect from this should have been:

"Cool, now people can check out other new I.P. from new publishers and developers. There are tons of new games and experiences out there worth checking out."

Sadly, instead it has mostly been:

"We should continue to only pay attention and be upset about the same top 5 publishers not releasing games fast enough as nothing else matters"
 
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