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Forbes - 'Ghostbusters' Box Office: Is A $50 Million Weekend A Big Enough Debut?
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Yep, time for the review thread.
http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/review/ghostbusters-film-review-909313
Fairly negative.
http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/review/ghostbusters-film-review-909313
Fairly negative.
MHWilliams
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Reposting this to get this thread back on track.
We've discussed this before. The issue is Ghostbusters is an special effects heavy action -comedy. When you actually look at the numbers, the original Ghostbusters and Men in Black are special. They are not even matched by their sequels.
From Box Office Mojo (Budget, Opening weekend, Domestic Total, Worldwide Total)
Ghostbusters: $30 million budget | $13,578,151 OP | $242,212,467 Domestic | $295,212,467 WW
Ghostbusters II: $37 million budget | $29,472,894 OP | $112,494,738 Domestic | $215,394,738 WW
Men in Black: $90 million budget | $51,068,455 OP | $250,690,539 Domestic | $589,390,539 WW
Men in Black II: $140 million budget | $52,148,751 OP | $190,418,803 Domestic | $441,818,803 WW
MIB 3: $225 million budget | $54,592,779 OP | $179,020,854 Domestic | $624,026,776 WW
GB2 had less than half its predecessor's domestic take. MIB3 only beat MIB because of a growing international market.
The truth is the comedy film game is hard as hell above a certain budget. Comedies don't make money like that on the regular. Let's take a look at the lists.
Action - Buddy Comedy: The strongest list, led by MIB and Rush Hour 2. But number #6 is The Heat, starring McCarthy and directed by Feig, at only $159 million domestic. Sci Fi Comedy if all three MIB films and then Honey I Shrunk the Kids. Horror Comedy is Ghostbusters followed by Scary Movie, with $157 million domestic. Seriously, look at the drop offs.
Comedy films are usually predicated on making money because they have rather low budgets. Once you add special effects into the list, things start to go awry.
A great shot for the Geboot would $40-50 million and $200 million domestic, which would put it in 22 Jump Street and Men in Black II territory. Sony should be damned happy with that. The problem is the budget $140 million (same problem MIB2 had, by the by). 22 Jump Street made roughly $144 million in profit, since it had a worldwide take of $331 million and a production budget of $58 million. Throw another $90 million on that production budget and a ton of marketing and I think GB 2016 needs around $400+ million, which again, is hard for a comedy.
Even if it's amazing, the film has an uphill battle to profitability and if it hits it, you'll hear Sony shouting it from the rooftops and greenlighting that second GB film and a sequel immediately.
And no, the budget really isn't out there.
If someone wants to make a review thread, by all means.
We've discussed this before. The issue is Ghostbusters is an special effects heavy action -comedy. When you actually look at the numbers, the original Ghostbusters and Men in Black are special. They are not even matched by their sequels.
From Box Office Mojo (Budget, Opening weekend, Domestic Total, Worldwide Total)
Ghostbusters: $30 million budget | $13,578,151 OP | $242,212,467 Domestic | $295,212,467 WW
Ghostbusters II: $37 million budget | $29,472,894 OP | $112,494,738 Domestic | $215,394,738 WW
Men in Black: $90 million budget | $51,068,455 OP | $250,690,539 Domestic | $589,390,539 WW
Men in Black II: $140 million budget | $52,148,751 OP | $190,418,803 Domestic | $441,818,803 WW
MIB 3: $225 million budget | $54,592,779 OP | $179,020,854 Domestic | $624,026,776 WW
GB2 had less than half its predecessor's domestic take. MIB3 only beat MIB because of a growing international market.
The truth is the comedy film game is hard as hell above a certain budget. Comedies don't make money like that on the regular. Let's take a look at the lists.
Action - Buddy Comedy: The strongest list, led by MIB and Rush Hour 2. But number #6 is The Heat, starring McCarthy and directed by Feig, at only $159 million domestic. Sci Fi Comedy if all three MIB films and then Honey I Shrunk the Kids. Horror Comedy is Ghostbusters followed by Scary Movie, with $157 million domestic. Seriously, look at the drop offs.
Comedy films are usually predicated on making money because they have rather low budgets. Once you add special effects into the list, things start to go awry.
A great shot for the Geboot would $40-50 million and $200 million domestic, which would put it in 22 Jump Street and Men in Black II territory. Sony should be damned happy with that. The problem is the budget $140 million (same problem MIB2 had, by the by). 22 Jump Street made roughly $144 million in profit, since it had a worldwide take of $331 million and a production budget of $58 million. Throw another $90 million on that production budget and a ton of marketing and I think GB 2016 needs around $400+ million, which again, is hard for a comedy.
Even if it's amazing, the film has an uphill battle to profitability and if it hits it, you'll hear Sony shouting it from the rooftops and greenlighting that second GB film and a sequel immediately.
And no, the budget really isn't out there.
If someone wants to make a review thread, by all means.
Salty Rice
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I hear the movie is just a giant reference/cameo fest every 10 minutes what is a big problem.
We know the original is a good movie.
We know the original is a good movie.
Finaika
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Robot Pants
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THATS IGN for you.
Always assholes
WordAssassin
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Oh man what is with this movie. I wonder if Feig's original idea was just TOO out there and Sony stepped in and started throwing him guidelines and restrictions like "no no what you're doing isn't Ghostbusters, you need X Y and Z to make it Ghostbusters" and that's how we've wound up with a film that is apparently too different from the original while still being a slave to the structure of the original? All the interviews I've read with Feig seemed like he had this need to tell the story his way but if the reviews are saying it's essentially just the first one's major beats with a different path between them that... doesn't sound at all like what he set out to make. Especially people saying it's not scary. When it was first announced he was telling everyone who would listen he wanted to make it actually scary. Even in that most recent interview with him he talks about wanting it to be scary. Hrm.
But I guess that's just Bill Murray, the aloof lovable asshole. i can't think of a movie or roll I've seen him in that I didn't enjoy but his attitude in general to Ghostbusters will always give a sour flavor to my feelings for him. At least he was gracious enough to lend his voice to the game so we could get one more outing with the original four before Ramis passed ):
One of the things that has always bothered me the most about it, is Murray, Aykroyd, and Ramis weren't just some actors a studio hired to put in a movie. They were friends too. They worked on a ton of shit together and I know Murray and Ramis had a falling out but they were all three actual friends. And it just seems really weird to me, personally, that when you have a friend that has made something with you, and it becomes this immense popular thing, and he's so passionate about it and he's trying so hard for literally decades to make another one, and you just flat out refuse to do it and put out these nebulous if not unreachable goals like "if the script is good enough" (would any script ever have been good enough?) or "kill me off and I'll think about it" it seems so weird to me to act like that to your friend. It's not even like he's doing it for free, your friend is offering you possibly millions of dollars to do another movie with him and you refuse because the props they had you wear were too heavy and you didn't like that the second one focused so much.. on you?!
But I guess that's just Bill Murray, the aloof lovable asshole. i can't think of a movie or roll I've seen him in that I didn't enjoy but his attitude in general to Ghostbusters will always give a sour flavor to my feelings for him. At least he was gracious enough to lend his voice to the game so we could get one more outing with the original four before Ramis passed ):
"Look at this trailer! This isn't my ghostbusters!"
"This movie is too much like the original!"
excelsiorlef
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I find it odd to actively root for a film to be bad.
It's middle of the road btw so sorry to disappoint.
I'm actually here for the people defending this movie and trying to turn it into a sexist issue when the movie looked bad from trailer 1.
bananafactory
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So you're trying to stir shit up? Congratulations.
I hate to inform you but the majority of reviews thus far are positive, though there's certainly a significant amount of criticism.
Just because you thought the movie looked bad doesn't mean you need get in here and shout HAH! GOT YA! in the face of everyone who thought the movie would be good.
People defended the movie because there WAS a sexist issue. And there still is.
Stop this.
excelsiorlef
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Dude this was a sexist issue long before trailer 1 as in from day 1 casting announcement, even earlier because it had been rumored all women basically since Feig was hired
Sooo have fun I guess. I mean the movie is getting a decent overall score soooo...
BronsonLee
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CadetMahoney
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we ARE the darkest timeline.
Mix Master
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Has the King of Portlandia a.k.a. Bobby Roberts graced us yet?
Looking at the current RT score you are taking the L right now. You need to get that score pushed down.
Stop putting words into my mouth. There were people here generalizing that the hate is stemming from the same people that liked BvS. So yeah, there is stupidity amongst the defense force.
I'm totally against any of the sexism displayed here or anywhere else. Give me more movies with all female leads.
I wouldnt defend Mad Max if it was a shitty movie, plain and simple.
Miles better than whatever your dudebro zone is.
excelsiorlef
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Dude you were actively celebrating a selected number of bad reviews.
It's not even a shitty movie by general consensus
Those were the three consecutive reviews posted here. It was the equivalent of people posting twitter reactions and claiming to serve crow, I hope you get the reference.
Forsaken82
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The IGN review was actually not that negative...
I'd even argue that the IGN review is the complete opposite of the Hollywood Reporter Review (i.e. the former claims that the chemistry between the leads is great while the latter says otherwise)
I don't think it's hard to believe that this movie isn't going to get terrible reviews, but rather a mixed bag. This movie is going to sit somewhere between 40-60% on rotten tomatoes (46% currently from top critics on Rotten tomatoes... 74% overall)
BassForever
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*trying to get this back on track from reviews if the film is good/bad discussion into box office discussion*
The positive reviews might push the film over the 50 million domestic first weekend but I'm not sure by how much. I guess MIB2 is somewhere in the ballpark of a safe good prediction but I'm not sure if that's a good enough spot for Sony to want to press forward with this Ghostbusters cinematic universe.
The positive reviews might push the film over the 50 million domestic first weekend but I'm not sure by how much. I guess MIB2 is somewhere in the ballpark of a safe good prediction but I'm not sure if that's a good enough spot for Sony to want to press forward with this Ghostbusters cinematic universe.
I feel the same way about Murray. Like, he's a grown man complaining about carrying a 50 lb back pack and getting covered in goo for a couple million bucks.
I mean, I get that GB3 could be shitty, but the man still made two Garfield movies.
I think the pained tease of GB3 for the last 15 years made the backlash against the reboot worse. The only people that cared 30 years later were the diehard GB fans, and largely, they wanted the sequel they'd been teased with. Anything else was always going to fall short.
I bet most fans will still go see it though. I was a skeptic but always planned to see it opening weekend. I'm glad to see its getting good reviews, but I'm sort of expecting it might disappoint in some ways. The CGI action scenes look particularly bad, but that could easily be overlooked if the rest is solid.
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