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mckmas8808

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Ford Escape Plug-in

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Ford doesn't have anything as splashy as the Toyota Prius or Chevrolet Volt in its line-up - yet. But the carmaker has long touted its multi-tiered approach toward a gas-free future.
Things have advanced far enough that some of these technologies are available to drive now, so we tried them out.

The Ford Fusion Hybrid is just coming to market now. The Taurus SHO, with Ford's EcoBoost engine will be available this summer. The Ford Fiesta subcompact car will be here next year and, in 2011, Ford will begin selling a fully electric compact car.

The Escape Plug-in, shown here, is the farthest out. It isn't coming until 2012. It's in testing with power companies around the country now and I was able to take one for a short drive last year.


The reason it's taking so long to come to market is that plug-in hybrid is actually the toughest technology to execute. Unlike a full electric vehicle, it relies on two power sources at one time to power the wheels. And unlike today's regular hybrids, the computers have to be smart enough to make good use of the extra plug-in electricity to deliver maximum efficiency.

During my drive, which was mostly on city streets, the gasoline engine turned on only occasionally, when it was needed for extra punch.

Keep on reading for an early look at four fuel economy strategies that Ford will bring to market over the next couple of years.



Focus BEV
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Removing the internal combustion engine from the equation altogether, Ford plans on selling its first plug-in electric passenger car in 2011. (A plug in work van will go on sale next year.)
Ford developed this car in conjunction with automotive supplier Magna International. The test vehicle I drove was built inside the body of a current-generation U.S.-market Ford Focus. The final version will be based on Ford's next-generation Focus, which will be shared with Europe.

The car drives about 100 miles on a full charge. It will take six hours or so to recharge if fully depleted but, since most people drive less than 40 miles a day, a typical recharge will take about three hours, Ford says.

Driving the Focus BEV - for Battery Electric Vehicle - was actually more enjoyable than driving a regular, gas-powered Focus. Acceleration felt quick and peppy and the electrically-boosted steering provided fine road feel.

In this version, at least, the battery takes up substantial trunk space. Expect that to be much improved in the production version.

The problem with cars like this, however, is the dreaded "range anxiety." On most days, 100 miles is fine. But on other days, or the day after you forgot to plug it in, you'll start to worry, as I did when told I was getting close to the limit.



Taurus SHO
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Much as Americans say they want fuel efficient cars, they're also loathe to give up performance. Turbocharging and direct fuel injection offer ways to get more power from smaller engines that use less fuel.
Turbocharging uses pressure from hot exhaust gas to spin a turbine that pushes more air into the engine creating higher pressures and more power.

Direct fuel injection differs from the traditional fuel injection most cars have today. It allows greater control of precisely when and how fuel goes into the engine.

In the case of Ford's new EcoBoost engine, injectors pulse out a complex series of injections that cool the air in the cylinder before combustion. Combined with twin turbochargers, they help get as much power as possible from the burning fuel.

In the Taurus SHO, which goes on sale this summer, a 3.5 liter 6-cylinder engine produces up to 365-horsepower. That's 16% more power than Ford gets out of the 4.6-liter V8 engine in the Mustang GT.


The thing you lose with fewer cylinders is some of smoothness. While it really does provide a V8 feel, there's is that high-spinning V6 sound under hard acceleration. But this is a Ford Taurus, after all, not a grumbling muscle car. Most buyers will happily give up a little sound quality for the sake of a lighter gas bill and more power.

Besides the engine, by the way, the new Taurus is a huge step up from the current model. Although its a close cousin of the Lincoln MKS, the Taurus's interior looks and feels much nicer, at least in this top-of-the line version. This car should bring back some long lost luster to the Taurus name.




Fusion Hybrid

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Boasts that the Fusion Hybrid is the most efficient hybrid sedan on the market. That depends on your definition of a "sedan." If it means having a trunk, yes. If it doesn't, then the Prius still beats it.But with 41 miles per gallon in the city and 36 on the highway, the Fusion Hybrid easily tops anything that most of us would call a family sedan. Like the current non-hybrid Fusion, the Hybrid is also a pleasure to drive. It's more fun the Camry Hybrid, but maybe not quite as much as the Altima Hybrid, based on an hour-long test drive.
A lot of the fun of driving the Fusion Hybrid has little do with steering and accelerating, though. The Fusion engages the driver in a pleasant, and relatively non-distracting, game of "virtual gardener."

As you drive, a picture of a budding vine appears to crawl up the side of the gauge cluster. The more efficiently you drive the more leaves begin to sprout. Slam the gas pedal or come to a brutally quick stop, wasting gas, and leaves begin to disappear, one by one.

There's a sense of achievement as your vine begins to fill with leaves and crawl across the top of the gauges. I'm told there may be - possibly - flowers that bloom if you do really well. Only time will tell.



http://money.cnn.com/galleries/2009/autos/0904/gallery.ford_fuel_efficient/index.html

Miles per Gallon for each vehicle

Ford Escape Plug-in hybrid:- 120 MPG in the city. 70 MPG on the highway. And 55 miles per gallon if you drive it hard in the city or in snowy weather conditions.


Ford BEV: All eletric. Uses no gas.


Ford Taurus SHO: Highway: 25 mpg :(


Ford Focus Hybrid: City - 41 MPG and Highway - 36 MPG



So what does Car Gaf think about their new vehicles coming out between now and 3 years?
 
Great, something else to stare at while I drive. That vine concept is a clever idea but how many idiots are going to crash their car because they were paying too much attention to it?
 

Raistlin

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mckmas8808 said:
Ford BEV: All eletric. Uses no gas.

Too bad this thing isn't realistic at all for a single-car family.

It can go 100 miles, but after that - you need to charge for 6 hours. Obviously can't take it on a trip anywhere ... and if you cut it close ... you could really fuck yourself. You'll need a tow, rather than AAA dropping off a galon of gas so you can make it to the nearest pump.
 

Ghost

Chili Con Carnage!
StrikerObi said:
Great, something else to stare at while I drive. That vine concept is a clever idea but how many idiots are going to crash their car because they were paying too much attention to it?


Sounds like crashing will be bad for your vine score, best to not stop at all, so the hardcore gamers will definitely be more focused on the road and the police cars chasing them.
 

KingGondo

Banned
I have to admit, Ford has gained some serious goodwill in my view. Rather than bashing competitors like GM, or amping up the masculinity of their ads like Chrysler, they've focused on getting more fuel-efficient vehicles to market, modernized their design, and seem to have improved the reliability of their cars, from what I've heard.

I still wouldn't buy one, but it's nice to be somewhat proud of at least ONE American car company for the first time in a while.

Plus, some of the Euro models that are rumored to be on their way stateside are HOT.
 

Jonm1010

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Onix said:
Too bad this thing isn't realistic at all for a single-car family.

It can go 100 miles, but after that - you need to charge for 6 hours. Obviously can't take it on a trip anywhere ... and if you cut it close ... you could really fuck yourself. You'll need a tow, rather than AAA dropping off a galon of gas so you can make it to the nearest pump.

I think those vehicles are more designed as day cars. I think the niche would be people who have a daily commute and will have a second car for longer trips or such.
 

Raistlin

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Jonm1010 said:
I think those vehicles are more designed as day cars. I think the niche would be people who have a daily commute and will have a second car for longer trips or such.

Oh I agree ... I'm just saying it's too bad. Not everyone wants, or can afford two cars.

I wish there was some method to speed up charging.



That Escape sounds epic if they really can get that kind of performance. If that is a sign of things to come, I'm holding off a few years for a new car :p



StrikerObi said:
Great, something else to stare at while I drive. That vine concept is a clever idea but how many idiots are going to crash their car because they were paying too much attention to it?

I haven't heard of any people crashing their Prius for its 'game' ... and there are people that are pretty hardcore as far as trying to keep their numbers up.
 

Extollere

Sucks at poetry
Ford really needs to update their logo. I know it's classic and all, but that blue oval and the font really doesn't fit with the new look of their cars. They should retire that logo and move on with something more streamlined.
 

Raistlin

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Extollere said:
Ford really needs to update their logo. I know it's classic and all, but that blue oval and the font really doesn't fit with the new look of their cars. They should retire that logo and move on with something more streamlined.

You know, I hadn't really noticed ... but now that you mention it, I can't unsee it.

Definitely needs a revamp.


Relix said:
It's like a gaming-side argument (Wii) posted on the OT :lol

:lol
 
These guys are running way behind. Honda already is leasing out hydrogen cars and Toyota is on its 3rd generation Prius that uses a combo of small gas engine/battery/solar pannels.

Forget the big 3. The only good American car manufacturer is Tesla.
 

AmishNazi

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Anticitizen One said:
These guys are running way behind. Honda already is leasing out hydrogen cars and Toyota is on its 3rd generation Prius that uses a combo of small gas engine/battery/solar pannels.

Forget the big 3. The only good American car manufacturer is Tesla.


Prius /w Plug in or no sale. Fuck a gas engine at all.
 

Raistlin

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Zenith said:
Why would you use a 4x4 if you're trying to make an fuel-efficient car? :lol

Some people need 4WD/AWD? Some people need the form-factor in terms of cargo space?

Should people with those needs not have an option for better fuel economy?

jeez

AmishNazi said:
Prius /w Plug in or no sale. Fuck a gas engine at all.

As far as I know, the 'next gen' prius is a plug-in hybrid ala the Chevy Volt.

At this point, electric-only isn't really viable for a majority of consumers - at least not as a primary car.






Man, a lot of people in this thread are being pretty egocentric.
 

Darth Sonik

we need more FPS games
I hate that damn 3 bar grill, it may be passable on trucks, SUVs or even Vans but on ordinary cars it is hideous.
 

Goldrusher

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Extollere said:
Ford really needs to update their logo. I know it's classic and all, but that blue oval and the font really doesn't fit with the new look of their cars. They should retire that logo and move on with something more streamlined.
No.
 

Zyzyxxz

Member
mckmas8808 said:
Ford Taurus SHO: Highway: 25 mpg :(

So what does Car Gaf think about their new vehicles coming out between now and 3 years?

Dude its a fricking sport salon, 25mpg is not bad for the performance and weight for the vehicle.

Anybody buying an SHO is buying it for the nostalgic name, getting 25 mpg just makes it easier to buy.
 

D4Danger

Unconfirmed Member
Zenith said:
Why would you use a 4x4 if you're trying to make an fuel-efficient car? :lol

All these electric cars that are shown off look like glorified wheelchairs. I want a normal looking car that doesn't shit up the planet. Is that so much to ask?
 
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NinjaFridge

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God, the radiator grills look like shit on those cars. European Ford cars look awesome in comparison.
 

teh_pwn

"Saturated fat causes heart disease as much as Brawndo is what plants crave."
I have been contemplating buying Ford stock the last few months. Despite all of the bullshit they've put on the market in the past, they've been making very good moves over the past few years. Reliability is improving, and they're planning on models that people will want. They've reduced their debt so they can keep credit lines and cars selling.
 

painey

Member
cjelly said:
Life for Ford would be so much easier if they only had Ford Europe designing the cars.

the same ford europe who managed to fuck up not only the fiesta, but the ka in the same year? Ford Europes new design plan seems to be "fuck it, lets make it look like a Toyota"
 
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NinjaFridge

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painey said:
the same ford europe who managed to fuck up not only the fiesta, but the ka in the same year? Ford Europes new design plan seems to be "fuck it, lets make it look like a Toyota"

The Mondeo looks the shit, always impresses me when i see it.
 

CrunchinJelly

formerly cjelly
painey said:
the same ford europe who managed to fuck up not only the fiesta, but the ka in the same year? Ford Europes new design plan seems to be "fuck it, lets make it look like a Toyota"
I think we've had this discussion before, but they definitely haven't fucked anything up.

All of their kinetic design vehicles are glorious.

If you look at the previous generation of the same vehicles, they are all bland and boring.
 

painey

Member
no way, they used to be unique. Now everything is elevated and the front and full of panels, they look like they are straight out of the transformers movie. The cars themselves are good to drive, don't get me wrong, but they dont look like Fords they look like boxes.

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The Ford Yaris

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The Toyota Fiesta

Name's are NOT incorrect ;)
 

mrklaw

MrArseFace
where is the electricity coming from for all these plug-in vehicles? Oil/gas/coal fired power stations?


There is already an issue with electricity supply for current demand - if electric cars become anything more than a fad, there is no way that power can keep up - it takes 10 years to build a power station (least in the UK - maybe even longer)
 

devilhawk

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mrklaw said:
where is the electricity coming from for all these plug-in vehicles? Oil/gas/coal fired power stations?


There is already an issue with electricity supply for current demand - if electric cars become anything more than a fad, there is no way that power can keep up - it takes 10 years to build a power station (least in the UK - maybe even longer)
That is why many plans like Pickens' call for multiple steps. First the wind, clean coal, green energy grid needs to be massively upgraded and expanded. While that is occurring use things like hybrids and natural gas to hold us over until the time that the energy grid can support the needs of transportation as well.
 

Zyzyxxz

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mrklaw said:
where is the electricity coming from for all these plug-in vehicles? Oil/gas/coal fired power stations?


There is already an issue with electricity supply for current demand - if electric cars become anything more than a fad, there is no way that power can keep up - it takes 10 years to build a power station (least in the UK - maybe even longer)

with that kind of thinking we might as well just keep using fossil fuels and burn up our planet.

Also its been said enough that a Coal/oil power plant is much more efficient at proudcing power using fossil fuels than our conventional engines.
 

desertdroog

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In the case of Ford's new EcoBoost engine, injectors pulse out a complex series of injections that cool the air in the cylinder before combustion. Combined with twin turbochargers, they help get as much power as possible from the burning fuel.

In the Taurus SHO, which goes on sale this summer, a 3.5 liter 6-cylinder engine produces up to 365-horsepower. That's 16% more power than Ford gets out of the 4.6-liter V8 engine in the Mustang GT.

Take out the bi-turbos and give me the N/A performance ratings of that v6 v. the v8.

OR

Put the same turbos on the V8 and compare the numbers.

It's like saying an super tuned, forced induction 6 cylinder has a higher performance rating than a stock factory v8..oh wait, the article just did.
 

sk3

Banned
desertdroog said:
Take out the bi-turbos and give me the N/A performance ratings of that v6 v. the v8.

OR

Put the same turbos on the V8 and compare the numbers.

It's like saying an super tuned, forced induction 6 cylinder has a higher performance rating than a stock factory v8..oh wait, the article just did.
That's kind of the point.
 

desertdroog

Member
So do the same on the v8 and discuss?

That was my point.

Edit: The hopped up v6 will have less torque any way it is dressed. While good for a people mover, it won't replace heavy duty needs.
 

Timedog

good credit (by proxy)
These all look bulky and heavy as fuck. Why are new american car designs heading towards the 70's model of bulky, heavy fucking vehicles?
 

thefro

Member
mrklaw said:
where is the electricity coming from for all these plug-in vehicles? Oil/gas/coal fired power stations?

Idea is that cars will recharge overnight when demand on the grid is lowest and they'll start charging folks eventually for electricity based on the time of day (off-peak is cheapest).
 

sk3

Banned
desertdroog said:
So do the same on the v8 and discuss?

That was my point.

Edit: The hopped up v6 will have less torque any way it is dressed. While good for a people mover, it won't replace heavy duty needs.
You get pretty much the same (Trade offs here and there) performance with less weight and better fuel economy. With the exception of the Mustang, Ford will never put a V8 in a car ever again. Trucks and Mustang only from now on.
 

Xirj

Member
desertdroog said:
Edit: The hopped up v6 will have less torque any way it is dressed. While good for a people mover, it won't replace heavy duty needs.

It's on a taurus...

Although cylinders are nice, having more of them is not always better. Take a look at the new 2.0T vs. 3.2 audi a4's. The turbo-4 has been universally regarded as the better engine. It is lighter, cheaper, better fuel economy, less space, and just for you more and flatter torque ;). Turbo technologies have come a long way and don't forget that every performing diesel has a turbo.
 
I mean really, who drives 100 per day? My business involves me driving constantly all day and even I don't hit 75 miles over a 24 hour period.

How often does a 150+ mile trip happen anyway? I'll rent a car then, or take the train/fly.
 

Xirj

Member
titiklabingapat said:
I mean really, who drives 100 per day? My business involves me driving constantly all day and even I don't hit 75 miles over a 24 hour period.

How often does a 150+ mile trip happen anyway? I'll rent a car then, or take the train/fly.

Happens when people live way out in the suburbs and commute in. They justify it by saying they need the car in town for the job but then either get a different job or move. I'd shoot myself to waste 2-3 hours of my life 5 days of the week driving. On the train/public transit you can at least read.
 
mrklaw said:
where is the electricity coming from for all these plug-in vehicles? Oil/gas/coal fired power stations?


There is already an issue with electricity supply for current demand - if electric cars become anything more than a fad, there is no way that power can keep up - it takes 10 years to build a power station (least in the UK - maybe even longer)
It's easier to "clean" electricity generation, and it is also much easier to augment existing plants with renewables.


Half of electricity generated in the USA is from coal, but the other half is is divided between nuclear(20%), Natural Gas(20%), hydroelectric(7%) and the rest is renewables.

In France, almost 80% is generated from nuclear.

Xirj said:
Happens when people live way out in the suburbs and commute in. They justify it by saying they need the car in town for the job but then either get a different job or move. I'd shoot myself to waste 2-3 hours of my life 5 days of the week driving. On the train/public transit you can at least read.

Even if you do live in the suburbs, most people live less than 30 miles away from their work. More than that, and it's a mental problem.
 
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