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Former Teachers of GAF, why did you leave Teaching?

Mondai

Member
I think my reason is why most people leave, dealing with school administration is a big pain in the ass, teaching kids is easy and even dealing with the dumbass parents is manageable but most school administrations don't have your back and will scapegoat the fuck out of you.
 
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p_xavier

Authorized Fister
Was teaching at a college level for three years, mostly because of pay and sjw's.
 
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The Cockatrice

I'm retarded?
I was not a teacher but I can tell you that there is clearly a crisis in our country due to poor salaries and the stress is just too much, considering 2 huge factors: kids these days are generally more dumb due to tiktok/facebook/twitter, and covid.
 

Happosai

Hold onto your panties
It was enjoyable but there were a few reasons why I left. I studied business marketing and it took some time to get my own business up and going. Like with most foreign residents to a country I had to settle with ESL as I had advanced English courses back in college. You'll find this out in most countries but here are the main reasons that I and many others leave teaching English:

- Students are often enrolled as a prerequisite and it would seem that only half a class actually wanted to learn or progress. Many would blame their poor attendance, failed test scores, and lack of progression on the teacher and complicate things with the quarter. One time even having to have to bring in a Spanish interpreter to keep students from dropping. They still failed as this isn't the way you go about learning a second language.

- Long unpaid holidays and odd hours. Class schedules and classrooms were rotated frequently making it a fight to maintain adherence to my other jobs at that time. Some Thursdays I would be given a notice of 8AM - Noon classes on Saturday. I didn't mind working Saturdays but half the class either wouldn't show or was falling asleep.

- Low pay. If you're hiring someone for keeps pay them well. Aside from the pay being less than a 1/4 of what I make now; payroll was sometimes delayed by the University's accountants by up to 3-weeks.

I will never teach again. At least not ESL.
 

Quasicat

Member
I’m still in the teaching field for now and am literally at the halfway point in my career. Over Thanksgiving, I was talking to my sister about where we used to work together. When I was in college, her and I both worked at the largest yogurt factory in the world…she creates the packaging and I worked in the fruit department. When I first started teaching, I took a $20,000 annual paycut and had close to double that in student debt. Her and I now make approximately the same money, but I am still paying off my debt with a Master’s degree and she still has just her diploma.

For me it’s definitely the fight with administration. We have meetings constantly throughout the year on how to improve our instruction. We are told how we need to avoid lectures and how the students should work together, since that mirrors real life work experience. I literally work with nobody in my classroom and when we go to meetings they lecture us on how to do better, with no real evidence.

I could go on about the myriad or reasons why I hate teaching, but then I get in the classroom with my students, none of that matters. We talk about history and government part of the time, but I get to know the students…not just their names, but their deepest interests. I go to their competitions, games, plays, concerts, etc and their accomplishments are my accomplishments and their failures are my failures. I have students that struggle in their understanding of the hardest topics we teach, but when they get it…that’s what keeps me going.
 

Porcile

Member
Because it's not what i went to uni for, and it's easy money here (Japan) and i don't want to be that much of a cliche

Weird thing to say. Just curious what are you in Japan then? If you're not a teacher, then you're just another walking cliche like a "software engineer" "IT" "game dev" or "translator" "in finance". Literally dime a dozen foreigners all living exactly the same life. Yes, I am one of them too.

And to answer the question, because it sucks.
 

Tschumi

Member
Weird thing to say. Just curious what are you in Japan then? If you're not a teacher, then you're just another walking cliche like a "software engineer" "IT" "game dev" or "translator" "in finance". Literally dime a dozen foreigners all living exactly the same life. Yes, I am one of them too.

And to answer the question, because it sucks.
I'm an architect, it's what i went to uni for. teaching english as an ALT or in Nova and the like requires zero qualifications, barely even requires first language english, people who do it stay here for 20 years hopping from one year visa to the next, it's not a life i wanted consdiering what i studied to Master Degree level, i feel my post is valid.
 
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Porcile

Member
I'm an architect, it's what i went to uni for. teaching english as an ALT or in Nova and the like requires zero qualifications, barely even requires first language english, i feel my post is valid.

Your post is just classic "my Japan" mentality. I was an English teacher too and having moved on from that and done something with skills + Japanese + side job, there is barely any difference in the foreigner power rankings Definitely not in Asia that's for sure.
 

Tschumi

Member
Your post is just classic "my Japan" mentality. I was an English teacher too and having moved on from that and done something with skills + Japanese + side job, there is barely any difference in the foreigner power rankings Definitely not in Asia that's for sure.
It's a "my life" mentality. I think you're just loading your own preconceptions onto my post.

I grew up an expat from a very young age, i know of those people who go to countries and act like they are only there to service foreigners, i detest those people.

I'm choosing my own path and giving my reasons for it, judge someone else.

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Hit and run judgement, blind fool doesn't see he's got his own brand of a "my Japan" thing going
 
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Porcile

Member
It's a "my life" mentality. I think you're just loading your own preconceptions onto my post.

I grew up an expat from a very young age, i know of those people who go to countries and act like they are only there to service foreigners, i detest those people.

I'm choosing my own path and giving my reasons for it, judge someone else.

No need to "detest" people or look down on others as being cliched based on their job or their position in society relative to your own. You literally came into a thread about teachers to insult the job and people who do it, even though you have never done it yourself.
 

GeorgioCostanzaX

Gold Member
I taught English in China for 2 years that was enough for me to decide it was a good experience but not a rewarding career. Got an MBA instead of a masters in education.
 

Tschumi

Member
No need to "detest" people or look down on others as being cliched based on their job or their position in society relative to your own. You literally came into a thread about teachers to insult the job and people who do it, even though you have never done it yourself.
If i had known the green knight porcile was going to burst out of the thread and fight me for the honour of English teachers in Japan I'd have worded my post differently.

That's not what i did. Again you're just loading on your hangups. I just said why i don't do it anymore. I've got my own life and my own circumstances that pushed me to work very hard to get out of English teaching and secure income in a different industry, and the visa security that offers.

You've wanted to say these things to every foreigner who can't make eye contact with you in train stations, i feel the same, everyone wants to act like they're the only person who discovered Japan, but i didn't come here for anime or jpop i came here for my wife, who is also an architect, and it was important for me to not be just another unqualified English teacher. Leave me alone.

"Even though you haven't done it yourself" i taught English here for 3 years, otherwise i wouldn't have posted on a "why did you stop teaching English?" Thread.
 
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Porcile

Member
That's not what i did. Again you're just loading on your hangups. I just said why i don't do it anymore. I've got my own life and my own circumstances that pushed me to work very hard to get out of English teaching and secure income in a different industry, and the visa security that offers.

You've wanted to say these things to every foreigner who can't make eye contact with you in train stations, i feel the same, everyone wants to act like they're the only person who discovered Japan, but i didn't come here for anime or jpop i came here for my wife, who is also an architect, and it was important for me to not be just another unqualified English teacher. Leave me alone.

"Even though you haven't done it yourself" i taught English here for 3 years, otherwise i wouldn't have posted on a "why did you stop teaching English?" Thread.

Fair enough you did your time bro, although in your original post it was not stated as such so it simply came across as an unnecessary jab. Everyone has to do a job a for whatever reason and as someone who has done sucky ass teaching in Japan for a bunch of assholes, there certainly isn't anything cliched or anything to detest about people having to work to pay bills or feed themselves, foreigner or not.
 

Tschumi

Member
Fair enough you did your time bro, although in your original post it was not stated as such so it simply came across as an unnecessary jab. Everyone has to do a job a for whatever reason and as someone who has done sucky ass teaching in Japan for a bunch of assholes, there certainly isn't anything cliched or anything to detest about people having to work to pay bills or feed themselves, foreigner or not.
Fair enough.

I didn't say i "detest" English teachers, i said i detested "my Japan"ers
 
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Porcile

Member
Fair enough.

I didn't say i "detest" English teachers, i said i detested "my Japan"ers

Nearly everyone is a "my Japan"er till their J-wife divorces them or they have to pay their kids juku fees lmao. Luckily, I was in the most Japanese of Japan situations (public school teaching) from the get-go so I realised that trying to be as Japanese as possible certainly isn't the way forward to being a happy person in Japan.
 

Tschumi

Member
Nearly everyone is a "my Japan"er till their J-wife divorces them or they have to pay their kids juku fees lmao. Luckily, I was in the most Japanese of Japan situations (public school teaching) from the get-go so I realised that trying to be as Japanese as possible certainly isn't the way forward to being a happy person in Japan.
My wife and i are such "tortured artists" that we have enough trouble being as us as possible lol, we really don't interact with everyone else too much.. made like 3 friends in 3 years here haha
 

Catphish

Member
Got fired 3 times in 4 years because of district budget cuts, in spite of excellent performance reviews. I loved teaching, but got tired of the instability. Bailed and got into network/telecom. That was 10 years ago.

I don’t miss it. The job was great, but the political bullishit was far worse than I imagined. And now, with Covid? Forget it. I wouldn’t go back to teaching for triple the salary.
 

Mistake

Member
I taught English overseas and had to leave because of covid. I actually really enjoyed the work and made a lot of meaningful connections. My boss was great, and pay was nice. I had a rough time for a bit before that, but it was a learning experience and I eventually settled in. Anyway, it’s also good I came back because there was a lot to do at home. I went through a cancer scare and got treated, which wouldn’t have happened with docs abroad, so some things happen for a reason I guess.
 
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nush

Gold Member
Nearly everyone is a "my Japan"er till their J-wife divorces them or they have to pay their kids juku fees lmao. Luckily, I was in the most Japanese of Japan situations (public school teaching) from the get-go so I realised that trying to be as Japanese as possible certainly isn't the way forward to being a happy person in Japan.

You seem to have a massive chip on your shoulder and are just projecting on Tschumi Tschumi

If you're not one of those cliched foreign English teachers, don't get mad when people point out that cliche. Ironically it makes you look like another cliche.
 

Alandring

Member
Reading this post makes me feel really lucky to be a teacher in Switzerland 😅. I think education is very important and I'm really happy my country understands that.

Was teaching at a college level for three years, mostly because of pay and sjw's.
Can you explain how "SJW's" affected your job? The only problem that I had was when a student was upset because I called her "Miss" instead of "Madam."

huge factors: kids these days are generally more dumb due to tiktok/facebook/twitter
People are saying that kids are worst now than in the past since 2500 years, literally.

Of course, they're different because they live in a different world, but they also have many qualities that we didn't have when we had their age.
 

Porcile

Member
You seem to have a massive chip on your shoulder and are just projecting on Tschumi Tschumi

If you're not one of those cliched foreign English teachers, don't get mad when people point out that cliche. Ironically it makes you look like another cliche.

I used to be on the teacher hating train, but I was able to change my path thanks to putting in the hours learning Japanese and honing my skills on the side, but it's not like my life changed so much for the better. So looking back, the whole every foreigner who isn't a teacher vs teachers thing seems pretty dumb in hindsight. Japan just ultimately isn't the greatest place in the world to do any job really, but it's a comfortable-ish place to live as long as you have a bit of money, and who really cares how you get that money. Most people here are working for one system or another. I certainly like to see people who can forge their own path in Japan and do their own thing, but ultimately that is pretty tough.
 

Alcibiades

Member
Not happy with the pay. Ended up in an district admin job overseeing curriculum. Much more boring than being a teacher, and generally less fulfilling. I love being around kids and having fun in the day-to-day teaching. But it was unsustainable financially. I got lucky in that I pretty much taught however I wanted and had little oversight from school admin, and I did very minimal planning compared to other teachers, but I did have a bit of an issue with a district admin person wanting to exert some level of control over what I did, which definitely didn't help matters.
 

Soltype

Member
Of course, they're different because they live in a different world, but they also have many qualities that we didn't have when we had their age.
Not a teacher , but I work in the school system doing IT.I feel students today are intelligent, but severely lacking in wisdom.They have a wealth of information in short reach and know how to gather it, but can't apply it in any meaningful way.Case and point, essays. Almost every English /literature teacher I have spoken to has brought up the fact that students just don't have the writing skills to express their thoughts adequately.
 

Alandring

Member
It's hard to say precisely, because I don't really trust particular cases: it isn't because my students have one skill than every student in the world have the same. I gues there is many books that would answer better than me, but if I try to say something:

  • They're better in foreign language (mostly english) than I was when I was their age (or even now, saddly).
  • They're more involved into politics and open minded. They seem care more about creating a better world.
  • They have access to many informations with internet and are usually able to find them quickly (but they struggle to determine if those informations are true or not).
  • They write much more than previous generations, and not in SMS language, unlike my generation.
Not a teacher , but I work in the school system doing IT.I feel students today are intelligent, but severely lacking in wisdom.They have a wealth of information in short reach and know how to gather it, but can't apply it in any meaningful way.Case and point, essays. Almost every English /literature teacher I have spoken to has brought up the fact that students just don't have the writing skills to express their thoughts adequately.
Hmm... possible. They may be more comfortable with short written messages and speaking than with long and structured written messages, but it's our job to help them to use their existant skills to do it.

I think we can't teach this content the same way we did 10 or 20 years ago, because our students are different. And it could be hard to reiminagine your course, especially if you are poorly paid or have many administrative things to do. But I don't think it's impossible.
 

The Cockatrice

I'm retarded?
  • They're better in foreign language (mostly english) than I was when I was their age (or even now, saddly).
  • They're more involved into politics and open minded. They seem care more about creating a better world.
  • They have access to many informations with internet and are usually able to find them quickly (but they struggle to determine if those informations are true or not).
  • They write much more than previous generations, and not in SMS language, unlike my generation.

These are hardly skills we did not have. Regarding politics I dont think it's a positive but that's debatable. English and French were always the primary foreign languages taught in school. Nothing changed here. As for anything regarding internet, well, yeah, technology advances, becomes more accessible but thats due to corporations owned by our generation not because of the new generation. I dunno about writing, doubt it. Books were more common back in our day than it is now, whether you wrote one or read one.
 

Go_Ly_Dow

Member
I was an ALT for 3 years, 2016-2019 in Japan. It was rewarding at times, but also mind numbingly boring and repetitive.

I knew if I stayed any longer, it would have become more difficult to sharpen my other professional skills.

I thoroughly enjoyed it in reflection, but it was a bottom rung gig and I wasn't desperate to stay in the country.
 

Bartski

Gold Member
I've done almost 12 years of teaching classes and lecturing in 3 different countries. Various areas of music, software and hardware technology and general audio engineering education for usually highly motivated adults.
Filters out all the bullshit you deal with teaching kids or in places people come to for a paper and don't give a fuck. Amazing time and I absolutely loved it when it lasted.
I started and owned two schools myself, the last one crashed and burned so hard it almost got me killed. I got then hired as studio recording engineering lecturer before Covid put this school on hold for a year and when things eased down I wasn't keen on coming back. I'm in a different place now and don't wanna half-ass it as a second job next to what I do in IT where I make 10x more money. Might return one day.
 

Enjay

Banned
Not a teacher but reading this thread has done nothing to sway me from the belief that teachers are antiquated.
 

Rest

All these years later I still chuckle at what a fucking moron that guy is.
Because it's not what i went to uni for, and it's easy money here (Japan) and i don't want to be that much of a cliche
I'm thinking I want to live in Japan for a few years to study. I've heard the easiest (and really only reliable) way to get a work visa is to apply to be a teacher. How hard is it to do secondary work? How much time does teaching take up? Do students care about the classes, or are they just there because they have to be? Can you switch your visa to some other kind of work after a couple years?

We are told how we need to avoid lectures and how the students should work together, since that mirrors real life work experience.
That's retarded. School isn't work, it's school. There are guided learning things you can do, but you have to lecture to get fundamentals established, and you have to have individual work to assess to make sure everyone gets what you're teaching.
 
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All these years later I still chuckle at what a fucking moron that guy is.
People are saying that kids are worst now than in the past since 2500 years, literally.

Of course, they're different because they live in a different world, but they also have many qualities that we didn't have when we had their age.
I've always liked Penn Jillette's take on this:

Penn Jillette said:
They say, s*** like, “well you know, when we were kids we weren't this rude, and we wouldn’t say this stuff. I would have never done this.” And it's absolute f***ing bulls***, and we certainly have records going back thousands of years that adults always hate the younger generation. Adults always find a reason to hate people that are 20-years-old, and I don't know why it is. Clearly and provably every generation gets better. Every generation gets healthier, smarter, more sophisticated, and that's always been true. Twenty-year-olds are just better than us. Old people just can't seem to get it through their heads that things are getting better and that's wonderful. Not only do young people not have polio, not only are young people less racist, less homophobic, and less violent – not only is all that true, but they also have some really really cool art, and some of that art we don't understand.
 

Tschumi

Member
I'm thinking I want to live in Japan for a few years to study. I've heard the easiest (and really only reliable) way to get a work visa is to apply to be a teacher. How hard is it to do secondary work? How much time does teaching take up? Do students care about the classes, or are they just there because they have to be? Can you switch your visa to some other kind of work after a couple years?
Great questions!

Yes, teaching English is the best way to get a visa.

Secondary work is really hard to do unless you have N2 or N1 (fluent) Japanese at least. Depending on your industry you might need a uni degree or you'd be better off not trying. Also depending on your industry you might be expected to do unpaid internships, so you'd need to have a means to supporting yourself through these. Marrying a local (provided you fall in love and want to spend your life with them, first and foremost, of course) can allow you to secure a spousal visa which gives you basically the same employment rights as a Japanese citizen.

Teaching varies. I can think of two mainstream methods that you can get visas through - ALT and an English school like NOVA or Berlitz. (You can also teach in unis but they are apparently reluctant to give long term work/commensurate wages to foreigners no matter how accomplished they are)

An ALT is an Assistant Language Teacher, and that job entails teaching in primary, secondary and high schools. Usually one or two of those. This generally pays a bit less and some months of the year pay you nothing, but it does guarantee you a year of employment and it is more or less a traditional 8 or 9 hour work day. This depends on what schools you are assigned though. It's rare to only teach at one school all week, the best i ever got was 3 days at one and 2 days at the other. Depending on where these schools are you might be waking up very early to get there by 8am, or earlier.

Teaching at a place like NOVA pays well, but it has long hours that generally go into 10pm, it's mandatory to work weekends , and take whatever free days you are given during the week. I think Nova is a good option if you're single, because you'll have cash to burn, they will often offer to house you (though they'll have daft rules like no guests), and yeah who have you got to spend all your free time with?

Neither of these jobs requires any training. You're mostly teaching out of text books and/or with the instruction/help of Japanese homeroom teachers as an alt. You will be expected to come up with games for the kids to play - different teachers vary wildly in what they ask of you - but there are heaps of online resources.

If i had to choose between the two, I'd personally go for ALT work.

I should make it clear that the personality of your students and teachers, and their intelligence, varies hugely across schools. Generally i got the impression that if the school has a bad rep, the teachers won't really try to do anything but keep them under control, and the students won't have any reason to be good students. I was lucky to teach at some of the best funded and highest grades schools in my cities, by and large, and those kids were amazing and the teachers were professional.

You'll be asked to run special needs classes, i enjoyed that because I'm good with impaired kids, but it's depressing that intelligent kids are basically being forced to "take it slow" and gimp their development just because they have a limp or slur in their speech.. some seriously disabled kids make more sense but yeah i did feel sorry for some of those kids, seeing them pigeonholed at a really young age.

Japanese kids all seem to look the same, I'm not trying to be rude but they only wear a pretty narrow range of hair styles and, especially with masks, i keep thinking i see students i used to teach all over the country haha...

Quality of experience varies depending on a lot of factors, but generally I'd say middle school is better than primary school, because you can actual develop human relationships with students and help them get through their studies a bit, in primary school the kids are crazy about you but you'll only really get along with the oldest kids in any kind of thoughtful way. Highschool is just full of complex personalities and as an untrained teacher I'd advise you to stay clear of that noise.

Uh Visa status varies. If you go the alt route you get a visa which is only good for one year, and your need to renew every year. This means that leaving alt work is hard and needs you to secure alternative employment which will grant you a visa before you make the switch. Places like Nova and Berlitz will give you long term visa called "specialist in humanities/international services" or something, but they'll be contingent on working long hours for all those years, and they won't be much good once you leave that job. You can keep those visas after you leave those schools, but you need to tell immigration that you're no longer adhered to that company and find work that the visa lets you do (luckily it let's you do quite a lot)

So in summary, ALT work is preferable because it gives more regular hours and you get to interact with kids and co-ordinate with their teachers, but the pay is less and it varies when you work fewer days in one month or another - in some holiday months you'll get nothing, so you'll probably need a temporary gig then. Working in a place like Nova gives you good money, but it's really a working holiday kind of job for unattached people who don't mind giving their best hours in any given week to the teaching of strangers.
 
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nush

Gold Member
In my experience, you become a bit of an insular a-hole and think your experience, Japanese friends, Japanese language ability etc are the only thing that matters while being snobbish to foreigners around you. Usually happens in the first couple years.

I see that in China, a lot. Some of them take it back home afterwards. There's been many times where some people here on GAF have claimed that I'm wrong about whatever topic we are discussing about China because they lived here for 2-5 years or have family in China they have visited a couple of times. :messenger_tears_of_joy:

So by their logic they assume they have lived in China longer than me and therefore are right. Thus by that logic they should admit that I am right as I have lived here longer than that. :pie_thinking:

I avoid most foreigners here in China, too many braggarts, wierdos or socially inept twats. Except for Africans, those guys are sound as fuck.
 

nush

Gold Member
That's retarded. School isn't work, it's school. There are guided learning things you can do, but you have to lecture to get fundamentals established, and you have to have individual work to assess to make sure everyone gets what you're teaching.

Its like they educate you to be in the miserable office job they have at the time not what the world will be in 10-15 years time. We can all remember that classic bullshit our teachers came up with that was so out of touch by the time we were in the workforce in our 20's.
 

Tschumi

Member
I see that in China, a lot. Some of them take it back home afterwards. There's been many times where some people here on GAF have claimed that I'm wrong about whatever topic we are discussing about China because they lived here for 2-5 years or have family in China they have visited a couple of times. :messenger_tears_of_joy:

So by their logic they assume they have lived in China longer than me and therefore are right. Thus by that logic they should admit that I am right as I have lived here longer than that. :pie_thinking:

I avoid most foreigners here in China, too many braggarts, wierdos or socially inept twats. Except for Africans, those guys are sound as fuck.
I don't like to signal but I've been living in foreign countries since i was 5 years old, thanks to dad's job and then my own, and yeah you can absolutely tell the deadbeats who came to a country because they couldn't make it work in their home country and wanted to lean on white awe to boost their self image. They insist that they know what's up, they insist that they've cracked the social code and it's devious, they're convinced that their generalisations are true enough to give unequivocal negative advice to strangers..

I've called it the colonial mindset for years, they just feel that halting English = an idiot. They are always surprised that a local culture doesn't totally accommodate whatever narrow set of social values they learned in their living room back in blighty or wherever.

I get my info on how to live here from people like my wife and in laws, and it's really funny when some westerner is holding court somewhere mouthing off about ubiquitous sneaky Japanese back-stabbers and the like and i just say "no mate your relationship with these people broke down because you spoke at them instead of with them" lol
 
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Quasicat

Member
That's retarded. School isn't work, it's school. There are guided learning things you can do, but you have to lecture to get fundamentals established, and you have to have individual work to assess to make sure everyone gets what you're teaching.
When I worked in the factory, it was me doing my job alone on my line, I didn’t work with other people. When I worked at Wendy’s, I had my own station that I was responsible for and did not work with other people unless I was sent to their station to help. When I worked in retail, I stocked shelves and helped customers on my own.

I tell administration that I have never held a job, even now with teaching, where I had to work with other people like the kids are supposed to do. I figure my job is to prepare these kids for high school and college, which is primarily a lecture class when studying the social sciences.
 
I see that in China, a lot. Some of them take it back home afterwards. There's been many times where some people here on GAF have claimed that I'm wrong about whatever topic we are discussing about China because they lived here for 2-5 years or have family in China they have visited a couple of times. :messenger_tears_of_joy:

So by their logic they assume they have lived in China longer than me and therefore are right. Thus by that logic they should admit that I am right as I have lived here longer than that. :pie_thinking:

I avoid most foreigners here in China, too many braggarts, wierdos or socially inept twats. Except for Africans, those guys are sound as fuck.
Would you avoid me senpai? UwU


On topic, I actually got an offer to teach Portuguese at a University here in China. I already did if before for 3 months and loved the experience, but I'm not a teacher (I'm a Computer Engineer). The current climate because of the pandemic is still tricky for foreigners to get any visa, but for teaching positions is actually easier to get one.
 
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Porcile

Member
I see that in China, a lot. Some of them take it back home afterwards. There's been many times where some people here on GAF have claimed that I'm wrong about whatever topic we are discussing about China because they lived here for 2-5 years or have family in China they have visited a couple of times. :messenger_tears_of_joy:

So by their logic they assume they have lived in China longer than me and therefore are right. Thus by that logic they should admit that I am right as I have lived here longer than that. :pie_thinking:

I avoid most foreigners here in China, too many braggarts, wierdos or socially inept twats. Except for Africans, those guys are sound as fuck.

I think it for people from wealthy English speaking countries it is just a symptom of being able to walk into a room of 50 people exactly doing the same job and having something to lord over them over with. Better at the language, better at making friends, better at their job or whatever. Yeah I definitely did that, especially with Japanese because people's ability is so low.

Nowadays, having done what I set out to initially achieve, it's easier to realise that in Japan, outside of teaching, 90% of the people work twice as hard for half as much as they would in any other wealthy country. So all the one-upmanship just seems really dumb in retrospect because we are all pretty much just living the same life.
 

nush

Gold Member
yeah you can absolutely tell the deadbeats who came to a country because they couldn't make it work in their home country and wanted to lean on white awe to boost their self image.

Classic LBH! :messenger_tears_of_joy:

I see those same guys in China and some of them have this vibe that they actually planned to go to Japan but didn't make the required standards.




Then there's another other type that people back wherever they came from would quite rightly not put up with their bullshit. Surprisingly or not a lot of these type became Youtube shills for China.

 

nush

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Would you avoid me senpai? UwU

Only if your the type that when you spot another foreigner in public you cross the road just walking up to them acting like you are both going to be instant best friends and within seconds you've got your phone out wanting to add me to your Wechat. Those guys.
 
Only if your the type that when you spot another foreigner in public you cross the road just walking up to them acting like you are both going to be instant best friends and within seconds you've got your phone out wanting to add me to your Wechat. Those guys.
The only foreigners I have as friends are actually people I've met at the University and some events.

Actually I see lots of foreigners just hanging out with each other, like in groups. I got the opportunity to come here so I just try to engage with locals as much as I can, that's the way of learning the place you are in. Most foreigners expect the country to bend to their values and behaviours, I've seen tons of them always complaining about this or about that, like it's their fucking country. And there's a bunch of shitty YouTubers which were exactly like that while staying here (laowhy and serptenza or whatever the fuck his name is). I'm actually surprised the amount of foreigners that don't wear any kind of masks here, despite being mandatory, it's like they think they know better. You see a see of Chinese people with masks and then this fucking foreigner in the middle just completely ignoring safety.

All I say is, as a foreigner, this is not my country. Life here is completely different when compared to the West and that's totally fine. I'm not going to act like I know better than them, just learn from what I experience here. I'm not better than those foreigners, but I simply don't want to be part of a group that shit talks everything about their host country. I won't learn anything from them, so better not to engage.
 

nush

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YouTubers which were exactly like that while staying here (laowhy and serptenza or whatever the fuck his name is)
Nope, those were the good ones with a balanced view. But I guess you didn't watch their content and someone told you they were shit. I learned so much from their channels. It was the other 90% what were like you say but most of them have left the country now. There's only Youtube shills left here praising the CCP now while getting paid for it by the CCP.

But I've encountered many many of those forigners that want to live/work in another coutry and still expect to bring their lifestyle with them. "Where's the gym, where's the best gym, I wanna find the local gym, is there one near me?" and "I want to have the same haircut, exactly as I like in China, where can I get that?" so on and so forth. Their only leisure activity is going out and getting drunk multiple times a week.
 
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