Ferrari is much closer on race pace fortunately.
Im hoping the rain mixes things up a bit!
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Ferrari is much closer on race pace fortunately.
Im hoping the rain mixes things up a bit!
According to Liberty, he does.
Half a second over red Bull yeah. They have nothing.
Ferrari have a cheat mode also.
So how come the two teams with qualy modes find more time between Q1 and Q2 than all the other people?
http://www.gpupdate.net/nl/f1-uitslagen/11319/kwalificatie-formule-1-grand-prix-van-japan-2017/
(Feel free to look up other races, this is not an anomoly)
There is a good .4s more in that engine between Q1 and Q2, a bit less for the red team, but they have a similar result.
Ideally I would love just one engine mode, less complicated engines, more equality. Yep, would love that to bits.
Qualy is boring as fuck due to this.
theignoramus
Member
It's not like Ferrari isn't capable of the same.
I think youre forgetting that the drivers, especially in Ferrari and Mercedes, drive to a delta in Q1/Q2 because going all-out is pointless.
Both Kimi and Lewis were asking their engineer during the session what the cut off was. They drive to beat that time, nothing more.
No point risking everything or wearing the engine down on magic mode if its not required.
They find all that time in Q2 just from a little more effort.
But all others arent.
RBR drivers are the same, yet they find .4s less.
The car is around 1s slower so of course theyd find less, theyre much closer to the limit..
And Force India are right behind them.
Like I said, driving to a delta.
theignoramus
Member
So they'll be okay in Austin but maybe not Mexico or Brazil. They're lucky Abu Dhabi is at night.
But its F1 and all teams are looking to find those sort of advantages. For how many seasons did Red Bull have wings with springs in them? McLaren had DRS before there was DRS. The list is endless.
nekkid
It doesn't matter who we are, what matters is our plan.
But you can be forever chasing your tail to level the field in that way.
If you remove modes, you still have one manufacturer who does it better than the others. Do you then have a single manufacturer?
F1 is a sport about engineering excellence. Otherwise youve basically got A1 GP again.
Yeah. Max confirming it too basically just then. He said they expect more deg tomorrow in warmer temps. That's why they were quicker in Malaysia too because higher temps. He also said they are further behind here because the corners are much faster with the new tyres and aero so the corners are more like straights.
theignoramus
Member
Then watch Indy car racing. This is Formula 1.
IndyCar has engine modes LOL
theignoramus
Member
There's forced engine parity in that sport, is there not?
nekkid
It doesn't matter who we are, what matters is our plan.
That particular detail was incorrect, but their sentiment is right.
If you want hardware parity, and the only differentiators to be the drivers and the strategy, then there are other series to watch. Thats not what F1 is about.
nekkid
It doesn't matter who we are, what matters is our plan.
lol
But seriously, I think not even the customer Mercs or Ferraris have that mode available to them.
So what you're saying is that instead of sprinklers they should add asphalt heating to all the tracks?
GrizzleBoy
Banned
Well there's a Lewis Hamilton in the Merc so.
Also, this is the one race in forever where both Mercs have been able to score a 1-2.
Also, quali is a couple of fast laps. Over a 50-70 lap grand prix, other cars have been much faster. Especially on the twisty tracks like Suzuka.
Also, even when Vettel was dominating in his RB, Hamilton was still always the one to steal pole positions off of him in a car that usually couldn't hang with the Red Bulls race pace. Hamilton is just fast in quali. It should always be expected.
Wait and see what happens tomorrow.
Kimi to light his engine on fire and limp through the racing line.
Assuming Hamilton stays in the sport until the next engine change, he could easily get 100 poles before he retires.
The issue with the Merc customers of course is that they don't have the car to put the power down like Merc do. It's also possible that they only turn it up to 10 and not 11 like the works team.
Commutator said that both Ferrari and the Merc customers have the mode available.
The issue with the Merc customers of course is that they don't have the car to put the power down like Merc do. It's also possible that they only turn it up to 10 and not 11 like the works team.
It's Alesi special skill to finish 8th on feature race apparently
Terbinator
Member
Maybe Vettel will do to Ham what Ham did to Rosberg into T1/2.
Jezbollah
Member
I think the Ferrari is the easier car to go fast.
EDIT: Just as I see the replay of Bottas almost plant it after Degner 2.
Generally really hard as it's an older track so quite narrow.
brotkasten
Member
Any bets on whether or not Vettel gets to overtake Hamilton in a 1:1 fight?
Jezbollah
Member
Yep. DRS zone is the front straight, sunless you get out of the corner right up the arse of the car in front out of the chicane, it will be a tight pass into turn 1.
killer_clank
Member
I can see it being like Spa, Vettel close in spots but never quite there and a sensational drive by Hamilton again.
So much for that watertight contract. Will be interesting to see how Sainz get along in the Renault.
Paradise Brunch
Member
So it seems Gasly will participate USGP afterall.
nekkid
It doesn't matter who we are, what matters is our plan.
Hes not an amazing driver, but they really have treated him like shit with all this.
killer_clank
Member
Yup - a few races ago it seems they had agreed to give him the rest of the season after the rumours but a few races later LOL NOPE.
Formula one is a brutal business.