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Forza 3 vs Gran Turismo 5 Comparison Thread of John, Chapter 11, Verse 35
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The funniest part is some people acting like they are only joking around when they are dead serious about this shit lol
What is yout point? Its even worse in the "raw" picture.
weekend_warrior
Banned
Do you think PD does?
Risk Breaker
Member
I'm not even sure it's worse, but dude, 60FPS vs photomode. And a supersampled image with the same relative shadow resolution will make the shadow be better :/
Metalmurphy
Member
They are higher resolution, obviously, because the whole image was rendered at insane resolution (actually is rendered several times in sections each at very high resolutions) than downsampled. That affects everything.
Wrong. They can, and they are. Why do you think photomode doesn't totally fix the alpha effects yet improves them? Because they are even lower resolution than the shadows.
Fucking obviously. I never said otherwise.
The higher poly model is rendered in real time, at all times, in GT5, and not just the sub 30 fps Photo mode. Post processing exists in Forza though.
Same with Forza photomode. You don't see everything you see in the final pic in real time. Don't kid yourself.
And after all that, your initial claim was about model swaps, those don't happen. But you transitioned this into a "real time photo mode before taking a pic is better in Forza than it is in GT5" claim, to which I say... who gives a fuck? When you go into a photomode what matters is... you know, the fucking photo.
Insane Metal
Member
Best menu music ever for me is this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jOENdjZpVmU
Test Drive 5. Actually the whole OST is the best ever. It's been like 15 years and I still love it!
Test Drive 5. Actually the whole OST is the best ever. It's been like 15 years and I still love it!
You are not sure? Are you blind? the raw picture will be a sharp and blocky horrible shadow. Of course its worse.
Even so, if PD never generates those better shadow resolutions, it is even worse for them.
Red Chocobo
Banned
No racing game will ever have a soundtrack equal or better than Dirt 2.
I personally vote GT3 for best soundtrack.
So, GT5 has better real-time racing graphics and better photo mode photos but Forza looks better in 30fps pre-photo photo mode than GT5 does in (60fps?) pre-photo photo mode. Congrats! I agree with you, pre-photo photo mode is my favorite part of these games, too -- glad Turn10 put so much effort into it.
Risk Breaker
Member
No sir, I'm not blind and I don't need glasses. The image I posted is supersampled (and less compressed), the relative shadow resolution seems to be worse (because it's further away from the camera).
And yeah, sure, that's why I said previously in this thread that F4's photomode is better than GT5 because they made the extra effort to make it as much better than gameplay as possible
Metalmurphy
Member
Don't remember a single track from Dirt 2, and I played it alot. Must have been really forgettable lol.
Red Chocobo
Banned
Either that or you don't have ears.
Ew, except for two or three songs in Forza 3 (and puting Forza 2 aside, since I've never played it), a freakin' hate the Forzas soundtracks (well, actually the songs at the menu are fine). Horizon is cool, but miles behind the class of the Gran Turismo series.
AbandonedTrolley
Member
eso76
Member
I just realized something.
take forza horizon,
enter the garage.
change car -> car showcase
easily on par with gt5 photo travel mode as most realistic real time rendering of a car.
yes, aluminum rims and tires are still slightly off but man, if t10 can match that kind of lighting ingame for their next forza it will look unbelievable.
Really shows it's all in the lighting.
it's a shame you can't take pics there, although a direct feed grab would do, since IQ is almost perfect anyway.
take forza horizon,
enter the garage.
change car -> car showcase
easily on par with gt5 photo travel mode as most realistic real time rendering of a car.
yes, aluminum rims and tires are still slightly off but man, if t10 can match that kind of lighting ingame for their next forza it will look unbelievable.
Really shows it's all in the lighting.
it's a shame you can't take pics there, although a direct feed grab would do, since IQ is almost perfect anyway.
Sub 30fps photo mode? wtf is this? You know that you can access photomode anytime in Forza, while in GT5 just in the "30fps" replays, right? lol
I have said nothing about swaping models. I've said GT5 swaps a lot of things in the final image, it never does it in real-time.
How cute are you GT sisters. Always trolling together.
That track was also in NFS IV High Stakes and Gran Turismo 3.
Licensed music, pfffff, music needs to be original and composed specifically for a game.
Risk Breaker
Member
Now you're just spinning things here like a spinning top.
PD should allow photomode while racing in GT6 though, it's just silly limiting it to replays
Yep, that's what I keep saying. This Horizon garage shows how great Forza models look with proper lighting and some good shaders.
Also, PGR2 had some of the best music, just saying...
BloodMoney
Banned
cue plane crash .gif
Jesus Christ. Guess I'll be turning the music back on
Metalmurphy
Member
The "real time" you were talking about, while trying to grasp for straws so that you could say Forza does something better, the pre-photo section, is running at sub 30fps. It's the same in GT too. Pulling more "effects" there, even though you were wrong about most of them, is about as meaningless as to the framerate on a main menu.
Oh and btw, it being "30fps" replays is also meaningless, it's using the same assets as the gameplay 60fps mode, something you cannot say about Forza.
But you said that in a reply regarding models, which kinda of implied you were saying it did swap models.
Aren't you a classy fellow.
I have a feeling it was part of a streamlining process for the sake of ram in GT5. It still bothers me now that in GT5 I have to wait and play back X minutes of race before I can get to the moment I want to photograph, and it feels incredibly clunky for it, but I can't imagine that problem being present in GT6 unless Polyphony somehow hasn't cracked the puzzle (which I doubt).
Not much different from the pre-race in FM4.
Risk Breaker
Member
Could very well be that.
Thank God they later added the replay controls to fast foward and rewind... lol
Ravensmash
Member
We should have a photo contest...I mean that's basically what this thread is now.
Hitokiri03
Member
My pics are clearing showing shadows and stuff. I'm always objective in my points.
you'll not see me whinning about picture compression, and right away post a really bad compression picture. Neither post a video where the guy recorded the Forza sounds at 30% of its volume. lol.
hm? replays uses the same assets as gameplay (if you are meaning car models). Its adds AA, motion blur to the gameplay cameras and dof for replay cameras. Same things as GT5 minus the motion blur in gameplay cameras.
Red Chocobo
Banned
Hell yes!
Wax Free Vanilla
Member
I have a suggestion for a twist, and hear me out but feel free to say "oh heck no."
How about a photo contest for who can get the worst image of a full vehicle, in whatever game we prefer?
Like, clunkiest, most out-of-place, cruddiest-looking car we can manage? Still all in-frame, but just rubbish in almost every other way. Thoughts?
Metalmurphy
Member
Raw GT5 ladies and gentleman.
(except for the 2 Intro shots that is)
Objectively biased while trying to pretend you're not. And be clearer next time. If I knew the point you were trying to make was so... pointless I wouldn't have bothered.My pics are clearing showing shadows and stuff. I'm always objective in my points.
Are you being a joke character on purpose now? The pic with bad compression was irony, the video with low volume (turn up your speakers ffs) still managed to show both games had the same type of dynamic tire squeal. If you think I actively searched for one with low volume you're an idiot.
GT does not add AA in replays.
Red Chocobo
Banned
The Forza brothers have gone quiet.
eso76
Member
nah, sorry.
very different.
fm4 pre race has the same lighting and everything as ingame, it just uses the best car lod.
horizon's garage, if anything, is closer to fm4 home space,but even better, and rendered in much better IQ.
didn't know g rom had been saying this too: I put very little time in horizon.
I love this
Red Chocobo
Banned
You never explained why you thought that Forza Horizon pic was a photomode pic
Because I have the game and it doesn't look like that. (Not to mention the strange angle that the car was at).
Since that was a screen grab from the demo I find this post hilarious.
That strange angle is called a "turn." Cars do that in Forza Horizon sometimes.
Red Chocobo
Banned
Oh well. I just don't remember it looking that blurry. It's like someone smeared vaseline on the screenshot.
Looks much sharper on TV.
Looks much sharper on TV.
eso76
Member
I see you just managed to shift from suggesting the image quality looked too good to be real-time to "it looks like someone smeared Vaseline on it." You also lied, and claimed specifically that it was clearly from photo mode. You weren't simply mistaken, you made something up because it looked too good, and now you're griping like the wolf who can't reach the grapes, saying "they must be sour anyway."
I guess it's slightly off topic but i feel like i enjoy Horizon for what it is but when i feel like playing some racin' games I'd rather play the real thing than diet Forza. The social stuff is really well done though, it's neat seeing what my friends have done.
Red Chocobo
Banned
Hold on a second. I claimed it was a photomode picture because the lighting looked different to what I usually see during gameplay. Nothing to do with the sharpness.
"Made something up because it looked too good"? What? I think it looks like shit. That shot looks like it has GTA4's AA. Blur-a-thon.
Don't accuse me of lying, mate. You're the one who made yourself look like a fool today, when you got caught trying to pass off the wrong screenshots in your silly game (Then pretending it was Imgur's fault).
So why then, when you were clarifying because you were called out for it being impossible for it to not be gameplay did you comment on thinking it looked not sharp enough to be gameplay?
So you just said something that made no sense, then, right? And now the lighting looks too good to be gameplay, even though it "looks like shit"? And the weird angle you mentioned...so that not a car turning? Please clarify.
Red Chocobo
Banned
Okay then. I'll spell it out for you, Junior member.
1. I said it looked like a photo mode shot because the lighting looked more like photo mode.
2. I pointed out that the car was at a strange angle for chase cam (It appears to be on a central pivot. Which looks off to me)
3. Then I mentioned that it looks too blurred. Because on my TV it looks a lot sharper than that. A LOT sharper, in fact.
Now you suddenly show up telling little stories about grapes and shit :/ I have no idea what your problem is. I think it looks like a photomode shot. What is the big deal here? Move on.