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Fox News falls to third place for the first time in 17 years
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Supposedly the company is heavily right leaning, so it might be just be about the agenda
EatinOlives
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Say what you will about the Tax Returns debacle from March, but Maddow is pulling in some great work nearly every day. There's almost always something new that she brings to the table, whether it's a bit of history or bringing in an expert to shed light on some obscure legalese. I feel like I learn something every time I watch.
Pop-O-Matic
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The fact that they currently aren't delivering wall to wall coverage about how Crooked Hillary, Barack HUSSEIN Obama and the Deep State are trying to kill God-King Trump and take power for themselves is a severe tactical misstep.
KernelPanic
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Find out in a few weeks if Lawrence O'Donnell stays.
https://www.google.ca/amp/variety.c...odonnell-contract-talks-msnbc-1202430508/amp/
SolarPowered
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Good for Rachel. Fox News could cease to exist and the world (read: not just the US) would be a better off place.
TestOfTide
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It's not just that they lost their enemy to rail against, it's that they lost all of their leadership and top-tier bullshit artists:
- Ailes
- O'Reilly
- Greta
- Kelly
All gone. Now they are left with a network that now LITERALLY does nothing except spew dumb conspiracy nonsense like a breitbart style website.
Wanda/Wander
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How can you list bullshit artist without including Glenn Beck? His Fox show was Info-Wars level bullshit
Futurematic
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How long does Lack last against these ratings versus what he wants? It's hilariously obvious already they hired the wrong guy, but does MSNBC have the sense to toss him?
skullmuffins
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With Bush, they could at least puff up the administration. Trump is failing so hard at everything that Fox is having trouble doing their normal pro-republican ballwashing. There's no real defense of what's going on ATM with Trump himself, and congress isn't getting much of anything done, either. Their biggest accomplishment so far is passing a wildly disliked shitty healthcare bill through half of congress.
RPGCrazied
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If this continues Fox News is going to have a make over. They can start by firing Hannity.
fredrancour
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You can't profit as effectively off demonizing liberals when republicans have this much power. How can you tell your audience the sky is falling when they just won what they think is a massive victory?
Also the insane conspiracy theory is failing as filer to cover up the hole in their trump coverage?
Mushroomer25
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Pretty much. This is more due to firing O'Reilly and fighting a storm of negative PR than a real demographic tidal wave. Plus, their more extremist viewers now have countless other sources to turn to for coverage that walks the party line.
That was pre-tea party, GOP of then and now are very different. Hell the state of reporting and politics were totally different
TestOfTide
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Because the whole reason Fox was successful for so long was because they didn't let their entire netowrk be like Glenn Beck/Hannity.
For example, pre-Trump, Fox News would use the term "mainstream media" and claim that it leans left and that it attacks conservatives, but they wouldn't explicitly suggest that the "mainstream media" was literally conspiring against conservatives.
but now? The dogwhistle is all gone. now they are LITERALLY claiming every dumbass conspiracy theory there is.
Beck was out years before all this went down. Even without him Fox News did well.
Now the there's a crack in the ivory tower, and people are hitting it as hard as they can.
EDIT: Also what TestOfTide said.
And even then it's likely it won't see the Senate and they'll have to vote on it again, and this time they know what they're voting for with the CBO score.
moffattron9000
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It's less trying to be less left-wing, and be the channel for policy wonks on both sides of the aisle. As for how it's going, idunno.
timetokill
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This goes hand-in-hand with the fact that many conservative viewers are tuning out of the news now entirely because they don't want to be "depressed" or whatever
The fact that Fox News has been actively trying to avoid reporting the news in the past week or two is likely the main culprit here.
Though as others have said, a lot of their marquee names dropped off in rapid succession without anyone to fill the gap. Jesse Waters isn't going to save the network.
Though as others have said, a lot of their marquee names dropped off in rapid succession without anyone to fill the gap. Jesse Waters isn't going to save the network.
TestOfTide
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What's hilarious is that it's not that MSNBC is going right wing. It's that while CNN stupidly tried to appeal to "both sides" by just having Crossfire style panels on every show, MSNBC is playing it smart by having individual shows catered to individual audiences. Rachel Maddow is for those really interested in the Trump Russia stuff. Chris Hayes is for the hard hitting liberal commentary. Joe Scarborough is for the more suburban conservative appeal. And Greta Van Susteren (yes the one that used to be on Fox News) is for the "moderate" appeal.
It's really smart and I predict that 5 years from now MSNBC will reign supreme for making sure to have individual shows cater to individual audiences.
TheOfficeMut
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WHY do people keep saying this? What did she do?
When someone says this, they've usually never watched the show and their only exposure to her is the overblown headlines surrounding the tax returns, which they then conflate with generalized anti-cable news sentiment.
MSNBC started trying to be less left wing doing the Obama years, but I wouldn't say they are taking a right wing turn
Fake edit: TestOfTide put it best.
Oh cmon, as much as I enjoy her show, the tax reveal was a complete and utter failure that deserves continued critisim.
Wanda/Wander
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Both Sides-ism
Intheflorsh
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Lord Frieza
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Fuck, of course they are
IdreamofHIME
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Butttt
Absolutely amazing segment.
I have no evidence and haven't spoken to any witnesses...but as a detective, I go by my gut and my gut tells me this was foul play.
Lord Frieza
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Bad on some ways, good in others
Pop-O-Matic
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Why would anyone hire that POS after that scandal?
No, she's fantastic actually.
SolidSnakex
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MSNBC is actually a much bigger possibility in that area. The head of MSNBC apparently wants to retool it in a more conservative direction because he views that being where the money is at. It's why they've yet to renew Lawrence O'Donnell's contract even though he has the second highest rated show on the network.
No
It's amazing to think that 13 years after John Stewart got Crossfire cancelled we are right back to CNN doing the same type of if not worse damage than back then.
Yes.
She's one of the best doing it in cable news. I'm sorry the tax return disaster hurt your feelings but she has years of credibility to fall back on.
Lord Frieza
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If they actually let go of O'Donnell, especially with the demographics he's pulling, yeah, it's just an agenda thing to further the mainstream news slanting to the right. Hope it's not, and the new owners are watching this and rethinking.
benjipwns
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Since when is 25-54 the key demographic for cable news? Two-thirds of the viewers are over 54. And that's MSNBC.
Just look at the ads ffs.
Total primetime viewership for FOX is basically unchanged, it's dropped off a little because of O'Reilly but the recent peak was barely over 3 million during the Obama Wars. The difference is MSNBC has jumped up when Trump won, just like they dropped off when Obama won and FOX hit new highs.
FOX Thursday, May 19th 2016 vs May 18th 2017
5PM: The Five 2.00 -> Specialists 1.84
6PM: Baier 2.10 -> Baier 2.10
7PM: Greta 1.66 -> MacCallum 1.85
8PM: O'Reilly 2.93 -> Carlson 2.66
9PM: Kelly 2.11 -> The Five 2.36
10PM: Hannity 1.81 -> Hannity 2.45
MSNBC, same dates:
6PM: Live .48 -> Greta 1.12
7PM: Matthews .74 -> Matthews 1.84
8PM: Hayes .77 -> Hayes 2.05
9PM: Maddow 1.1 -> Maddow 2.91
10PM: O'Donnell .92 -> O'Donnell 2.50
And we're still talking about far less than 10 million people here. Across the three talking headworks. 70+% of whom are over 55.
I highly doubt they're competing with each other for viewers.
Just look at the ads ffs.
Total primetime viewership for FOX is basically unchanged, it's dropped off a little because of O'Reilly but the recent peak was barely over 3 million during the Obama Wars. The difference is MSNBC has jumped up when Trump won, just like they dropped off when Obama won and FOX hit new highs.
FOX Thursday, May 19th 2016 vs May 18th 2017
5PM: The Five 2.00 -> Specialists 1.84
6PM: Baier 2.10 -> Baier 2.10
7PM: Greta 1.66 -> MacCallum 1.85
8PM: O'Reilly 2.93 -> Carlson 2.66
9PM: Kelly 2.11 -> The Five 2.36
10PM: Hannity 1.81 -> Hannity 2.45
MSNBC, same dates:
6PM: Live .48 -> Greta 1.12
7PM: Matthews .74 -> Matthews 1.84
8PM: Hayes .77 -> Hayes 2.05
9PM: Maddow 1.1 -> Maddow 2.91
10PM: O'Donnell .92 -> O'Donnell 2.50
And we're still talking about far less than 10 million people here. Across the three talking headworks. 70+% of whom are over 55.
I highly doubt they're competing with each other for viewers.
Earthbound64
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So, for the first time since the end of the Clinton administration.
Lord Frieza
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The 25-54 are key demographics for every advertisers, regardless of network or type of show.
benjipwns
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Using the "coveted" demographic, same story, FOX holds or rises, MSNBC rises faster.
FOX Thursday, May 19th 2016 vs May 18th 2017
5PM: The Five .28 -> Specialists .37
6PM: Baier .28 -> Baier .36
7PM: Greta .26 -> MacCallum .35
8PM: O'Reilly .48 -> Carlson .47
9PM: Kelly .39 -> The Five .49
10PM: Hannity .44 -> Hannity .52
MSNBC, same dates:
6PM: Live .13 -> Greta .21
7PM: Matthews .17 -> Matthews .41
8PM: Hayes .22 -> Hayes .51
9PM: Maddow .31 -> Maddow .69
10PM: O'Donnell .20 -> O'Donnell .55
FOX Thursday, May 19th 2016 vs May 18th 2017
5PM: The Five .28 -> Specialists .37
6PM: Baier .28 -> Baier .36
7PM: Greta .26 -> MacCallum .35
8PM: O'Reilly .48 -> Carlson .47
9PM: Kelly .39 -> The Five .49
10PM: Hannity .44 -> Hannity .52
MSNBC, same dates:
6PM: Live .13 -> Greta .21
7PM: Matthews .17 -> Matthews .41
8PM: Hayes .22 -> Hayes .51
9PM: Maddow .31 -> Maddow .69
10PM: O'Donnell .20 -> O'Donnell .55
I'm not buying into any of the "MSNBC wants to be conservative" rumors until they let go of O'Donnell and replace him with someone conservative or even moderate.
The channel is still clearly left-leaning. They report the breaking news on Trump the moment it happens without Fox News' spin and usually without the insanity that is someone like Jeffrey Lord or Jack Kingston spouting off nonsense like on CNN. And their editorial shows are all heavily progressive as well.
Nah, that's not how we do things. One meaningless slip up invalidates her entire life's work fighting the good fight. We demand perfection.
Hit me up when she sexually harasses someone.
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