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France legalizes gay marriage and adoption

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Raist

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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-22126437

The bill - which was approved with only minor amendments - is now certain to become law after a final vote in the lower house, expected in May.

There have been several demonstrations in Paris both for and against the bill.

Gay rights organisations say homosexuals are being increasingly targeted amid opposition to government plans to give gay couples in France the right to marry and adopt children.

Friday's Senate vote, by a show of hands, came after senators had on Wednesday approved the first article of the bill allowing gay couples to marry and adopt, by 179 votes to 157.

Justice Minister Christiane Taubira praised the result, saying the Senate had strengthened French society "by granting the simple recognition of full citizenship to homosexual couples".

The bill is now set to become law after technical second readings in both houses of parliament.

Protesters hold a rally in Paris against critics of a gay marriage bill, claiming they are homophobic Activists say there has been a rapid rise in homophobic assaults in recent months

On Thursday, some 5,000 people took part in a protest in Paris linking critics of the gay marriage bill to homophobia.

The rally came as an image apparently showing the victim of a homophobic attack went viral on social media.

Opponents of the bill have denied homophobia and denounced violence.

Opinion polls suggest that around 55-60% of French people support gay marriage, but only about 50% approve of gay adoption.

The anti-gay marriage lobby, backed by the Catholic Church and right-wing opposition, has already held large marches in Paris.

It argues the move would undermine an essential building block of society.

Well that's about time.

Two slight mistakes in the BBC report:

The lower house will validate minor details, but the 1st article (marriage and adoption for persons of same sex) will remain unchanged and is now legilized. And that will take place next friday, not in May as originally planned.
 
I really wish they'd just remove marriage's role from the government's control entirely. I don't understand why they need to be involved at all.
 

Raist

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I really wish they'd just remove marriage's role from the government's control entirely. I don't understand why they need to be involved at all.

Well I guess in order for that to happen, it would require the complete removal of marital status from anything related to laws etc, so that's notgonna happen.
 

kswiston

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Also, marriage or marriage analogues have existed longer than the religions that claim to sanctify them. Never got the "marriage should be left in the realm of religion" thought.
 

Stumpokapow

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I really wish they'd just remove marriage's role from the government's control entirely. I don't understand why they need to be involved at all.

There are a number of societal benefits to have people in long-term, stable family arrangements. There are a number of societal benefits for people having kids. Marriage is a factually effective set of incentives that reach those goals. It also simplifies routine property and medical decisions but short-cutting the otherwise fairly involved contract law process that would be needed to deal with them.

The government also has a role in informing public values. Things that are legally prohibited gain a social stigma, and things that are legally permitted become more normalized socially--note that this is a two-way street; social stigmas also lead to things being legally prohibited, and social acceptance also leads to legal permissibility. But still, the policy function informs public values... this is why policy changes that are initially contentious rapidly become accepted and why support for gay marriage doesn't generally retrogrades in countries or places that do permit it.

But in the mean time, ask the opposite question--what is problematic about government's involvement? Who is being harmed? What negative impact is it having on society?
 

Joni

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Finally. Come on Germany, you can't let France beat you.

We need more dark blue in this picture. (Dark blue = same sex marriage allowed)

Same_sex_marriage_map_Europe_detailed.svg
 

ivysaur12

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Marriage equality is now legal in:

Argentina
Belgium
Canada
Denmark
Iceland
Netherlands
Norway
Portugal
South Africa
Spain
Sweden

Uruguay
France

And will be legal in the United Kingdom, New Zealand, and possibly Finland in the coming months. It is also legal in certain states within Brazil, Mexico, and the United States.
 
Within 20 years we will be attending same sex marriages just like attend heterosexual weeding. I'll gladly attend but I won't go to the guys bachelor party.
 

Moosichu

Member
Why are people against adoption?

watch people forget about this in some months just like everywhere, else.


? In what way? As in the critics will stop bothering to moan about it? I hope so, if this means more acceptance of homosexuals in France that's fantastic.
 

Moosichu

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They believe gays can't raise kids correctly despite most evidence suggesting otherwise.

But aren't these children in homes anyway where they have no parents at all? Surely even if you think heterosexual > homosexual that still must be >>>>>>>>>> then the alternative for the poor children. (Especially in the UK where some of them are run by Pedophiles.)
 

kswiston

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But aren't these children in homes anyway where they have no parents at all? Surely even if you think heterosexual > homosexual that still must be >>>>>>>>>> then the alternative for the poor children. (Especially in the UK where some of them are run by Pedophiles.)

Some people either think that homosexual couples are sexual deviants in general, and therefore more likely to be pedophiles, or that they will indoctrinate innocent children, converting them to homosexuality. Obviously both have no basis in reality.

EDIT: there is also the weaker, less offensive argument that children should have both a dad and a mom. But considering the number of single parent families, and the fact that these kids have zero parents, that is irrelevant even if true.
 

J10

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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-22126437



Well that's about time.

Two slight mistakes in the BBC report:

The lower house will validate minor details, but the 1st article (marriage and adoption for persons of same sex) will remain unchanged and is now legilized. And that will take place next friday, not in May as originally planned.

The whole country at once legalized it? LOL Meanwhile the US is still turtling along state by state at a rate of .2 states per decade. :(
 
Marriage equality is now legal in:

Argentina
Belgium
Canada
Denmark
Iceland
Netherlands
Norway
Portugal
South Africa
Spain
Sweden

Uruguay
France

And will be legal in the United Kingdom, New Zealand, and possibly Finland in the coming months. It is also legal in certain states within Brazil, Mexico, and the United States.
Ireland's probably going to legalize it as soon as we get a referendum, which shouldn't be too long to wait.
 
But aren't these children in homes anyway where they have no parents at all? Surely even if you think heterosexual > homosexual that still must be >>>>>>>>>> then the alternative for the poor children. (Especially in the UK where some of them are run by Pedophiles.)

You'd think so, but reality and logic never get in the way of hate.

People like to believe that all children are ready to be snatched up by loving heterosexual couples.
 
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