France makes €1 billion tax claim against Google

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Google hit with $1b French tax bill

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October 31, 2012 - 7:20AM

French tax authorities have made a billion-euro ($A1.2 billion) claim against Google to pressure the US internet company to compromise in a dispute over compensation to media websites, a French newspaper reported.

The weekly Canard Enchaine said in its edition to hit newstands on Wednesday that the tax claim concerns the transfer prices set between Google's Irish holding company and the French unit for four tax years, without disclosing its sources.

French tax authorities said they do not comment on specific cases due to taxpayer privacy. Google did not immediately respond to a request for comment.

The weekly said the tax claim was brought up during Monday's meeting between President Francois Hollande and Google chief Eric Schmidt, and that it was a bargaining chip in the dispute with French media.

Mr Hollande said the French government would adopt a law if necessary to settle a dispute with French media websites, which want the search engine to hand over a percentage of the advertising revenue it earns from directing users to their content.

"If the negotiations between Google and the media publishers don't result in a deal by the end of the year, Google already knows what awaits it from a tax point of view: one billion," said the weekly.

"Otherwise, there will no doubt be room to negotiate." In March, a source told AFP that French authorities had made a tax claim against Google.

The weekly L'Express reported the tax authorities were looking whether Google had correctly paid company and sales tax between 2008 and 2010.

Google uses a number of measures to reduce the amount of tax it pays in France by funnelling most revenue through a Bermuda-registered holding company and then reporting it in Ireland.

According to estimates, Google generated between €1.25 billion and €1.4 billion in revenue in France last year, primarily due to internet advertising. It paid only a little more than €5 million in tax, primarily due to the corporate tax.
http://www.smh.com.au/business/world-business/google-hit-with-1b-french-tax-bill-20121031-28ifk.html
 
Go get it. France has been collecting taxes from everywhere. Fuck Google, pay up. I don't care if France is wrong. Somehow, Google isn't paying what they should, I'm sure. Same for every other major corp.
 
According to estimates, Google generated between €1.25 billion and €1.4 billion in revenue in France last year, primarily due to internet advertising. It paid only a little more than €5 million in tax, primarily due to the corporate tax.

0,4% in taxes. Must be nice for Google.
 
why do media websites have a problem with people accessing them through google? isn't that the whole point? google gets ad income for directing people to their info, and they get their ad income for having more visitors (i am assuming they have their own ads).
 
why do media websites have a problem with people accessing them through google? isn't that the whole point? google gets ad income for directing people to their info, and they get their ad income for having more visitors (i am assuming they have their own ads).

The problem is that they want even more add revenue then what they are currently getting.
 
If Google is using a tax shelter illegally, then I hope France gets that monay

Although... in regards to Google paying fees to French companies... that's crap
 
to settle a dispute with French media websites, which want the search engine to hand over a percentage of the advertising revenue it earns from directing users to their content.
That's bullshit.

Just remove them all from the all search results.
 
why do media websites have a problem with people accessing them through google? isn't that the whole point? google gets ad income for directing people to their info, and they get their ad income for having more visitors (i am assuming they have their own ads).

This. I mean, seriously, do you want Google to just blacklist you site-wide instead? Have fun with that.
 
wait, frech media companies want google to pay them money for listing them on their search engine?

yeah fuck that. i hope google just removes their listings completely. i wonder how much of their visitors these sites are getting from google search queries
 
Serious bullshit. This isn't about google paying taxes, it's about our terrible media websites who are looking for someone to blame for their poor sales.
 
No, but it's the hammer. And it's a surprising one. What, is Google Al Capone?

Well yeah, kinda. It seems to me that if the French government really thought it had a case to get the $1bn of unpaid tax, it'd do it anyway, and then discuss the other plan. That they seem to be openly-in-secret (insomuch as none of this is meant to be public knowledge) suggesting this is a hammer indicates that.
 
Don't see the issue with Google here.

Well really it's all search engines, but Google make for a high profile target that tech blogs will report.

It's a BS tax claim, at least as far as the law is concerned, and it would be a very dangerous precedent to legislate for tax collection in this manner and will basically destroy all business confidence in France.

It seems likely that France will never legislate to collect tax in this manner.
 
5 million euro tax rate on 1300 million revenue....yeah....

Because all that revenue was profit right?!

And if I, like everyone on here had a business and had a legal way to make more using tax "loopholes", we sure as hell would do it. Fix the system.
 
Because all that revenue was profit right?!.

Because I'm sure Google ended up with a net loss right?!


See I can also play that stupid game. I'm aware the ~1300 is revenue, I don't know what their net profit ended up being.
 
Everyone knows Google dodges taxes, finally a country does something about it.

Lately france is has been trying to make a come up, especially with the free abortions. In the end though I think they are going to bite off more than they can chew and not be able to honor all of their deeds long term.
 
Lately france is has been trying to make a come up, especially with the free abortions. In the end though I think they are going to bite off more than they can chew and not be able to honor all of their deeds long term.

It's alright, we can always sell Alsace to Merkel.
 
While I in no way defend tax avoidance, let's face it: this is how international commerce works. There probably need to be more regulations at a global level, but the co-ordination required means it's not going to happen any time soon. Until then corporations are going to continue to do what they're supposed to do: deliver the best results possible to their shareholders while operating within the confines of the law.
 
This is what happens when countries start going broke. they get desperate and start attacking success around them to try and nickel and dime and in the end it doesn't do anything for the country,
 
Mr Hollande said the French government would adopt a law if necessary to settle a dispute with French media websites, which want the search engine to hand over a percentage of the advertising revenue it earns from directing users to their content.

This is an absolutely ridiculous demand.
 
This is what happens when countries start going broke. they get desperate and start attacking success around them to try and nickel and dime and in the end it doesn't do anything for the country,

More like attacking the assholes who act like parasites on capitalist society. Google would never make so much revenue in France if it had not have a welfare state, yet they don't want to pay up properly.

And yes I know the real deal here is about those French media corporations but in the end, we still have to do something about the corporations who think they can take without giving.
 
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