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French train maker Alstom announces Amtrak high-speed trains to enter construction

KSweeley

Member
French train maker Alstom announced that their Hornell, New York manufacturing plant will soon begin construction of Amtrak's high-speed trainsets that are expected to replace the current Acela Express trains.

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Alstom site for their Avelia Liberty trainset that is being made for Amtrak: http://www.alstom.com/products-serv...ins/products/avelia-liberty-high-speed-train/

Hornell, NY news article: http://www.eveningtribune.com/news/20171009/alstom-unveils-final-acela-line-model

October 9, 2017

Prompted by the growth of high speed service to the Northeast Corridor, Amtrak and Alstom are embarking on a historic contract to expand rail travel at speeds of up to 160 miles per hour.

At an employees only announcement held at Amtrak’s headquarters in Philadelphia on Friday, the partners unveiled the final exterior design of the next generation train set, with a more vivid paint scheme than previously seen.

“Building upon 16 years of high-speed rail service in the Northeast, Amtrak is working with Alstom to produce the next-generation of high-speed trainsets built to international standards, to replace the equipment used to provide Amtrak’s premium Acela Express service on the heavily-traveled Northeast Corridor (NEC). As part of this multifaceted modernization program, Amtrak is also investing in infrastructure needed to improve the on-board and station customer experience and accommodate the increased high-speed rail service levels made possible by the new trains,” said a statement from Amtrak.

The lofty contract to build 28 transits will nearly double Amtrak’s current high speed fleet, and put Alstom at the forefront of helping America catch up with the rest of the world in high speed transit technology.

“Amtrak and Alstom teams have been working together for many years to make the Acela Express an American rail success story. We’re excited to partner with Amtrak again, this time to bring next generation high speed trainsets to America. The Avelia Liberty we are building in Hornell will meet and exceed expectations, and will be another step towards better passenger transport mobility on the Northeast Corridor and across the United States,” said a statement from Alstom.

New documents obtained by The Spectator outline added design benefits of the new train line, which include one-third more passenger seats; half-hourly service facilitated by the ordering of more trainsets; a smoother ride comparable to international high-speed train service; as well as customer amenities like Wi-Fi access, personal outlets, USB ports and adjustable reading lights at every seat, enhanced food service car service and handicap accessibility.

Originally, company timelines put delivery of the first train-car shells in November of this year. At Friday’s announcement a more solid timeline was established. The first trainset prototype will be ready for testing in 2019 and the first trainset will enter revenue service in early 2021, with all trainsets in service and the current fleet retired in early 2022.

U.S. Senate Minority Leader Charles E. Schumer also showed his excitement for the project.

“The only thing better than these sleek, smooth and modern Amtrak trains is the fact that they were made in the Southern Tier by some of the best workers in the world,” said Schumer. “This contract is a massive win on multiple fronts: improved rail safety, new jobs for Upstate New York, and improved Amtrak experience for passengers along the entire Northeast Corridor. All aboard!”

As a result of the work that will soon get underway at the Hornell Alstom plants, 400 manufacturing jobs will have been created in Hornell, suppliers will experience 1,000 person job growth, and new infrastructure to accommodate the high-speed cars will be built in Hornell, including a high-speed test track.

D.C.-area WTOP article: https://wtop.com/business-finance/2017/10/amtrak-unveils-new-acela-trains/

Alstom's Tweet regarding their Amtrak trainset: https://twitter.com/i/web/status/917411491292303361
 

KSweeley

Member
Finally we get some higher speed rail.

It's not a significant speed increase, current top speed for the Acela is 135 MPH, these new Alstom trains will only run at a top speed of 160 MPH: https://wtop.com/business-finance/2017/10/amtrak-unveils-new-acela-trains/

Amtrak has contracted with French high-speed train maker Alstom to produce 28 next-gen Acela train sets capable of traveling 160 mph, compared to the current Acela top speed of 135 miles per hour.

The new Acela trains will be among the most energy efficient in the world and will have one-third more passenger seats.
 

KSweeley

Member
Barely does anything without fixing the issue of commercial freight having priority on the lines.

What the NorthEast Corridor needs is SCMAGLEV, a group Northeast MAGLEV is working to get SCMAGLEV imported from Japan to America and these trains would have a grade separated rail line that will only be for passenger rail transit: http://northeastmaglev.com/the-train

August 2017 presentation about SCMAGLEV: https://www.dropbox.com/s/mhohub0rs6i21yj/TNEM Presentation.pdf?dl=0

There is an environmental study currently being conducted for an SCMAGLEV line between Washington D.C. and Baltimore, MD: http://bwmaglev.info/
 

gcubed

Member
the existing acela rarely runs at high speed levels anyway, so they get faster potential trains with the same track limitations.... yay?

that and a ticket on the acela is a LOT more then a normal train, and unless you are going from something like DC to NYC you save very little time.
 
Wow a whole 30 miles an hour more! Amtrak sucks.

Honestly, I don't even know the point of taking Amtrak along the NE Corridor. You're paying slightly less than a plane ticket for hours more travel time. It's an enormous ripoff
 

woodland

Member
4 more years... to get a train 25 miles faster at top speeds. God US train system sucks.

Wow a whole 30 miles an hour more! Amtrak sucks.

Honestly, I don't even know the point of taking Amtrak along the NE Corridor. You're paying slightly less than a plane ticket for hours more travel time. It's an enormous ripoff

Depends tbh. I take the train from Philly to RVA/DC all the time and it's way better than flying (and cheaper compared to RVA, maybe D.C. As well). Plus the time to get to the airport, security, and wait on a busy day isn't usually a thing on the train. My past few experiences have left my bitter tho with like 8hrs+ of delays.
 

gcubed

Member
Wow a whole 30 miles an hour more! Amtrak sucks.

Honestly, I don't even know the point of taking Amtrak along the NE Corridor. You're paying slightly less than a plane ticket for hours more travel time. It's an enormous ripoff

i take it all the time from NYC to Philly, Philly to DC and DC to NYC as needed. Thats about the limit though. I can't see a reason to ever run it to Boston as it takes sooo long vs a cheap flight that leaves every hour.
 
Good luck, East Coast. The high speed rail in California is going amazingly well

JK it's a clusterfuck

Recently the rail authority admitted to $1.7 billion in cost overruns on the 119-mile segment in the Central Valley, making the project 27 percent over budget. That’s the best they can make it look. Federal officials estimated that the project will be 50 percent over budget.

Should have just let them build the Hyperloop
 

KSweeley

Member
Is that whats holding up the speed limit on these trains? 160mph isnt much compared to the euros and japanese.

Well, JR Central is trying to get SCMAGLEV over to America.

http://bwmaglev.info/index.php/faqs

WHO IS INVOLVED WITH THE SCMAGLEV PROJECT?

FRA is serving as the lead federal agency for the NEPA EIS. FRA is the decision-maker regarding all aspects of the NEPA process, the environmental analysis, and the alternative alignments.

MDOT is the grantee under NEPA primarily funding this phase of the project (preliminary engineering and environmental studies) through a federal grant. MDOT works with FRA and oversees the work being performed by MEDCO and the Maryland Transit Administration (MTA), a transportation business unit of MDOT.

MDOT MTA is coordinating the development of the NEPA EIS, which is being prepared by the environmental consultant, AECOM.

BWRR is a proponent of SCMAGLEV between Baltimore and Washington, D.C. The private company has an interest in constructing and operating the SCMAGLEV system. BWRR, is conjunction with JR Central and the engineering consultant, Louis Berger, have defined the commercial specifications (maximum operating speed and corresponding design criteria) for optimal performance of SCMAGLEV technology accounting for such consideration as aerodynamics, energy consumption, and passenger comfort.

MEDCO is coordinating the engineering and design efforts being developed by BWRR for the project.

Link: http://northeastmaglev.com/about-tnem

SUPPORTING ORGANIZATIONS

CENTRAL JAPAN RAILWAY COMPANY (JR CENTRAL)

The Northeast Maglev is working closely with JR Central to utilize the SCMAGLEV in the United States. The Central Japan Railway Company (JR Central), established in April 1987, is a publicly traded, privately owned rail company serving the most populous region of Japan. JR Central is the creator and operator of the world-renowned N700 Shinkansen, and operator of the world’s busiest high-speed rail line, the Tokaido Shinkansen, which despite serving over 140 million passengers a year has had no fatalities due to train accidents, and has an average delay of less than one minute.

JR Central is also the current lead in the development of the revolutionary Superconducting Maglev (SCMAGLEV) system, and is currently developing and privately financing the Chuo Shinkansen between Tokyo and Nagoya.

These systems are the product of years of research, innovation and optimization through successive generations of commercially proven high-speed rail operations in Japan.

JR CENTRAL TEAM

The JR Central Team is the manufacturing and technological backbone of the SCMAGLEV system. JR Central has worked with their rail industry partners to offer a total system solution, and will work with TNEM to identify and support the top engineering, construction, operations and maintenance firms in the United States for the promotion and implementation of the SCMAGLEV system.

TNEM and the JR Central Team are committed to helping the United States develop its own high-speed rail system to create American jobs and contribute to the revitalization of the American manufacturing sector. The Team looks forward to supporting the American entities that will be implementing SCMAGLEV in the Northeast Corridor by sharing its experience, knowledge and expertise with the American industrial base and transportation sector.

The JR Central Team has a strong manufacturing presence in the United States already, and is committed to expanding as the demand for SCMAGLEV grows. Transferring technology, training American manufacturers, and building on an already significant U.S. manufacturing presence is all part of the JR Central Team’s commitment to bringing the Superconducting Maglev to America.
 

Mully

Member
That's Philly to NYC in about an hour. I like it.

The problem isn’t the speed of the trains traveling on the Northeast Corridor, it’s the capability of the tracks that the trains are traveling on.

Freight has priority on the same tracks that Amtrak runs on, and there’s only a very small section of track that can run at 100+mph speeds.
 
Barely does anything without fixing the issue of commercial freight having priority on the lines.

The problem isn’t the speed of the trains traveling on the Northeast Corridor, it’s the capability of the tracks that the trains are traveling on.

Freight has priority on the same tracks that Amtrak runs on, and there’s only a very small section of track that can run at 100+mph speeds.

I don't think the freight is a problem in the Northeast Corridor. It's definitely a problem on other lines, but the NEC is primarily owned by Amtrak, and the parts not owned by them are owned by municipalities and commuter rail companies.
 

Gallbaro

Banned
Fucking bullshit.

We can't even buy far better and far cheaper rolling stock off-the-shelf for no good reason. Bunch of buy American bullshit.

The problem isn't the speed of the trains traveling on the Northeast Corridor, it's the capability of the tracks that the trains are traveling on.

Freight has priority on the same tracks that Amtrak runs on, and there's only a very small section of track that can run at 100+mph speeds.

NEC is time segregated with freight, most of it is owned by Amtrak, some of it is owned by NYS and some of it is owned by CT.
-The current slowdowns on the NEC is the entire state of NIMBYs called CT. (Seriously, Boston to NYP is horrible, do not do it, ever.)
-While there are a massive amount of maintenance issues on DC-NYC stretch it is fairly straight and has constant tension overhead catenary so it is not so bad.

Barely does anything without fixing the issue of commercial freight having priority on the lines.
Once again nothing to do with the NEC.

Also! People complaining about Freight congestion. It is far better for the economy and for the planet that we move freight by rail than prioritize passengers for intercity travel. We have a far more efficient freight rail system than Europe.

U.S. Senate Minority Leader Charles E. Schumer also showed his excitement for the project.

”The only thing better than these sleek, smooth and modern Amtrak trains is the fact that they were made in the Southern Tier by some of the best workers in the world," said Schumer. ”This contract is a massive win on multiple fronts: improved rail safety, new jobs for Upstate New York, and improved Amtrak experience for passengers along the entire Northeast Corridor. All aboard!"

These are a handful of hugely expensive, bullshit component assembly jobs.
 

Ottaro

Member
Wow a whole 30 miles an hour more! Amtrak sucks.

Honestly, I don't even know the point of taking Amtrak along the NE Corridor. You're paying slightly less than a plane ticket for hours more travel time. It's an enormous ripoff

Traveling an additional 30 miles every hour isn't exactly insignificant.
 
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