CornBurrito
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Hmm, but then we have
Shun, and the story of that farmer girl. Shun was a genius at controlling his Cantus consciously. The other girl was not mentioned as a struggling conscious user.
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Hmm, but then we have
I feel like the answers given by the Ethics Committee are pretty self-serving. There's obviously stuff they're still not telling Saki.
We're supposed to believe they have everyone's best interests at heart, and yet, if that's true, why have they not erased the memories of the False Minoshiro in everyone besides Saki yet? They surely know how dangerous that knowledge could be for their society, which means they're hiding some ulterior motives. Let's not forget either that the Queerats are almost certainly former human beings, and they're being used as slaves basically.
Also, we know that Saki must get her memories back at some point because the story is being told by her adult self.
So what do you think caused Mamoru to
run away? I believe he mentioned having a diary in a previous episode. I wonder if he still has one and found evidence of Shun's existence.
Jex
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Much has already been said about this episode's strengths, so I won't go delve into that kind of discussion for the moment. There are a number of things about this episode that seemed a little off and I feel they're worth discussing too.
Firstly, during the flashback to the events of Boy K, I initially assumed that we were witnessing had taken part perhaps a hundred years ago or more because the costumes, and especially the architecture, seemed radically different to everything else we've seen so far. For example, all the school and hospital scenes depicted structures that resemble, well, 21st century architecture in Japan, see this shot:
However, we soon realise that this event only occurred a few decades ago. So when did everything get rebuilt in a completely different style? I suppose there are a number of explanations about why this might be, such as the regional differences between locations, but I just found it rather striking that everything else we've seen of the 'present' looks completely different to the events of the flashback.
Secondly, I noticed that there wasn't much discussion here about the "Examining Snowflakes" sequence. Was I the only one who found Satoru's made up excuse about what the group were doing to be extremely, er, odd? To set the scene for the readers at home: Our three protagonists are trying to get out of school to go investigate an urgent matter. Just as they are leaving the classroom one of their 'friends' runs up to them to ask them where they are going. Now they don't want this guy to tag along with them, but at the same time they don't want to hurt his feelings or confuse him by explaining why he can't come with them. So Satoru comes up with this explanation of how they're going to examine snowflakes to study their crystalline structure.
I have a few problems with this scene. The writing gives off the impression that Satoru is just coming up with this excuse off the top of his head, but the excuse he actually delivers is meaningless complicated and detailed. How did he come up with such a thorough excuse in no time at all? More importantly, why is a whole minute of this episode devoted to discussing this completely irrelevant plot point? Even more importantly then that why does their classamte buy Satoru's excuse? Nothing Satoru says makes any sense, he just talks about crystal structures and how it would be cool if they could change them, but none of that ties logically into the excuse he's giving if you think about it for more than 10 seconds. It's a completely bizarre sequence which doesn't appear to serve much of a point in the overall story and it feels totally out of place.
Finally, I feel like one of the animators on the show was bored and decidedly to randomly sneak in a few shots of a girl with large breasts for no reason at all. It reminds me of that completely incongruous panty shot from Infinite Ryvius. I guess animators really are perverts.
Much has already been said about this episode's strengths, so I won't go delve into that kind of discussion for the moment. There are a number of things about this episode that seemed a little off and I feel they're worth discussing too.
Firstly, during the flashback to the events of Boy K, I initially assumed that we were witnessing had taken part perhaps a hundred years ago or more because the costumes, and especially the architecture, seemed radically different to everything else we've seen so far. For example, all the school and hospital scenes depicted structures that resemble, well, 21st century architecture in Japan, see this shot:
However, we soon realise that this event only occurred a few decades ago. So when did everything get rebuilt in a completely different style? I suppose there are a number of explanations about why this might be, such as the regional differences between locations, but I just found it rather striking that everything else we've seen of the 'present' looks completely different to the events of the flashback.
Secondly, I noticed that there wasn't much discussion here about the "Examining Snowflakes" sequence. Was I the only one who found Satoru's made up excuse about what the group were doing to be extremely, er, odd? To set the scene for the readers at home: Our three protagonists are trying to get out of school to go investigate an urgent matter. Just as they are leaving the classroom one of their 'friends' runs up to them to ask them where they are going. Now they don't want this guy to tag along with them, but at the same time they don't want to hurt his feelings or confuse him by explaining why he can't come with them. So Satoru comes up with this explanation of how they're going to examine snowflakes to study their crystalline structure.
I have a few problems with this scene. The writing gives off the impression that Satoru is just coming up with this excuse off the top of his head, but the excuse he actually delivers is meaningless complicated and detailed. How did he come up with such a thorough excuse in no time at all? More importantly, why is a whole minute of this episode devoted to discussing this completely irrelevant plot point? Even more importantly then that why does their classamte buy Satoru's excuse? Nothing Satoru says makes any sense, he just talks about crystal structures and how it would be cool if they could change them, but none of that ties logically into the excuse he's giving if you think about it for more than 10 seconds. It's a completely bizarre sequence which doesn't appear to serve much of a point in the overall story and it feels totally out of place.
Finally, I feel like one of the animators on the show was bored and decidedly to randomly sneak in a few shots of a girl with large breasts for no reason at all. It reminds me of that completely incongruous panty shot from Infinite Ryvius. I guess animators really are perverts.
Sorry I had a derp moment.
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Another great episode. I loved the eerie, silent winter landscape and the way it seemed to highlight the isolation of the protagonists as they
. Also the flashback scenes to
were incredibly well-done. A combination of great sound design and smart storyboarding; the director really understood that what you don't see is much scarier than what you do, especially if you use weird and unnatural sound effects to stimulate the imagination. It's a sign of great execution when a scene is incredibly tense and dramatic even when you already know the outcome.
Also Maria's bunny-hopping is unintentionally hilarious.
Another great episode. I loved the eerie, silent winter landscape and the way it seemed to highlight the isolation of the protagonists as they
searched for Mamoru
Mamoru encountering the Shadow Cat
Also Maria's bunny-hopping is unintentionally hilarious.
PoeticProse22
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From the New World 12
This was an excellent episode, as the execution throughout was particularly terrific. Not to mention, for an expository episode, it was thoroughly well-paced. Similar to the fourth, this episode was suffused with a prevalence of exposition, while never particularly faltering into a perpetual state of meandering repetitions or pointless explanations of previously understood developments. Rather than these touches of informative examinations of their society seeming contrived, the manner with which the developments transpired was surprisingly natural and effective, rarely appearing as though they were artificially enumerated on.
The opening sequence was quite interesting, as it immediately established the sorrowful tone and expository nature of the episode. I especially liked the transition from the shot of
, as the indistinct shadow of a previous thought
. Upon discovering the full breadth of
, Sakis momentary
was wonderfully directed, conveying the complex nature of several disparate emotions in a skillfully quick succession. This integral moment was masterfully constructed, as
, silently illuminated by the shot of
, followed by a chaotic glimpse of fluttering wings and the sun-tinged tree that appeared as some sort of faintly
, which was depicted with very striking imagery.
Asahinos interactions with Saki were highly intriguing. Their conversations were very well-directed, due, in large part, to the occasional infusion of well-implemented flashbacks, illustrating a creative execution, since those potentially tedious moments were, instead, incredibly engaging. The revelation that, rather than the
alludes to the disturbing realization that their
, adhering only to the desires of
, rather than any sort of
. The subsequent insight into
was suffused with an atmospheric tension that greatly complemented the troubled emotions that lingered throughout her reverie. The musical selection that accompanied this particular sequence was rather minimalistic, but this subdued nature essentially accentuated the fragility of
. The theory that
was quite compelling, drawing upon several foreshadowed interpretations, such as its relations to the
.
One of the more compelling elements within this episode was the elaboration on the structure and
. As such, their approach to dealing with those that they perceive to be
is, of course, thoroughly flawed, as a certain
. Although, their elevated
, at its simplest form, is quite understandable, due entirely to the
. However, in their strictly regulated attempts to
, they have essentially become remarkably comparable in their
, being as detrimental to the growth of their
. Their calculated endeavors to reach some
became increasingly
, indicative of a complete
.
The most intriguing aspect of
was the momentary examination of
. As such, my favorite sequence was the tale of
. The shot of
was exceptionally effective, as it isolated him from
through an emphasis on his solemn, but defined expression amidst a sea of
. The choral chanting deftly illuminated a rather melancholic atmosphere. The distorted visuals and muted lighting comprehensively established the disturbing nature of this haunting tale, which was effectively disquieting. Although the
had been foreshadowed throughout earlier episodes, the nuances of
, such as the visual depiction of his
inclinations, as his mind immediately perceived
.
The most effective sequence in the nihilistic tale of
was the moment he definitively
, as this scene deftly visualized his
. The surrealistic manner with which his
was illustrated was exceedingly appropriate, as his distorted perception of the
allowed for a particularly nuanced insight into his
. This brief moment of
was exceptionally well-directed, illustrating this seemingly imperceptible, but ultimately momentous
in a thoroughly effective and emotional fashion. As such, I was particularly impressed by the framing of his
, from the shot of his calm,
as he
, to the wonderfully fleeting depiction of his
, as shown by the faint, wholly distorted form of
. This forceful change in expression excellently mirrored a considerably similar scene from the first foray into their
. This was excellently followed by a lingering focus on
, culminating with the haunting shot of the
. This entire sequence was suffused with several well-implemented quick edits, as this element really complemented the riotous nature of the scene.
The final flourish of
was impressively directed as well, particularly the shot of the
. This restrained approach to illustrating their
was handled with a superbly effective minimalism, as the fleeting isolation of their
against the
beautifully captured the
of this potentially irrevocable
and its
effects on the prosperity of their world. The transition of the
corrupting the blue sky was particularly striking imagery, as it greatly paralleled the
.
The exploration of a
was extremely interesting, as their
, even altering
, which, though somewhat predictable, was a very satisfying revelation. The
of Izumis
billowing into her room and subsequently
was a striking piece of foreboding imagery. Also, the differentiation between both
was a welcome bit of insight, as the
is a subconscious affectation, rather than a cognizant one. Izumis
allowed for a highly sympathetic and surprisingly emotional portrayal of
, particularly following the mention of how
. I loved the illusory shot of
. It was a powerful and
illumination of the
certainties that had filtered into her
. The melancholic piano selection that accompanied this moment really accentuated the complex emotions that permeated the atmosphere throughout this mournful sequence.
Sakis character development has been fantastic and thoroughly compelling, particularly following
, as the effects of
would likely compel her into a sort of
. However, the development that potentially
, aside from her temporarily
, is the possibility that she might
, which, though not altogether surprising, would reveal several unexpected directions that could be taken within the narrative. Essentially, though I would have initially expected
, and still do, for that matter, her subtly
might, in fact, alter the
immensely. The foreshadowing that
will eventually
was only strengthened in this episode. This is definitely one of the most intriguing possibilities within the narrative, since
, as these fragments of potential depth and
could likely, in the end, have
.
Ive become increasingly immersed into the intricacies of this arc and, consequently, their secluded society, superbly illustrating an evident dichotomy between the satisfying excellence that suffuses this entire arc and the occasionally tedious repetitions that were found in the latter half of the previous arc, since, following the fourth episode, the narrative gradually deteriorated into a detached state of intermittent mediocrity. Of course, the most significant transition between those poorly-executed episodes and the entirety of this arc is that the focus has beautifully returned to the unsettling atmosphere and deftly restrained storytelling, riddled with veiled and occasionally nihilistic developments that excellently play to the strengths of the masterfully-written material.
Masashi Ishihama's storyboarding, having previously worked on the first three episodes, was consistently excellent. The sound direction was superbly effective throughout, particularly in its ability to emphasize a certain dread within both of the
. As such, the isolation of the
excellently illuminated the
that pervaded through this sequence. These moments were accompanied with a particularly eerie musical selection that fully conveyed the tension and unavoidable fear that permeated
.
All in all, From the New World continues to exceedingly impress in nearly every area, especially notable in its narrative execution, fantastic writing, and its ability to methodically develop a plethora of subtleties within several characters, particularly Saki. There was a vague possibility of several logical inconsistencies during this episode, primarily within the structured formation of
. However, much of what was detailed directly paralleled aforementioned events. There were several aspects of
that didnt appear to be entirely accurate, but thats likely due to the
, in particular, rather than a narrative flaw, since it certainly seems that
. The next episode looks quite good, and it will be interesting to discover what propelled
, as it likely pertains, in some fashion, to
.
This was an excellent episode, as the execution throughout was particularly terrific. Not to mention, for an expository episode, it was thoroughly well-paced. Similar to the fourth, this episode was suffused with a prevalence of exposition, while never particularly faltering into a perpetual state of meandering repetitions or pointless explanations of previously understood developments. Rather than these touches of informative examinations of their society seeming contrived, the manner with which the developments transpired was surprisingly natural and effective, rarely appearing as though they were artificially enumerated on.
The opening sequence was quite interesting, as it immediately established the sorrowful tone and expository nature of the episode. I especially liked the transition from the shot of
Sakis recollected school days to her current predicament
bled into her conversation with Asahino
Asahinos knowledge
shock
Saki discovered that Asahino knew of their deception and the false minoshiro they had found
Asahinos confident eyes and Sakis seemingly fearful reaction
deadened connection to their blood-stained past
Asahinos interactions with Saki were highly intriguing. Their conversations were very well-directed, due, in large part, to the occasional infusion of well-implemented flashbacks, illustrating a creative execution, since those potentially tedious moments were, instead, incredibly engaging. The revelation that, rather than the
Ethics Committee, the Board of Education was directly responsible for the deaths of those children they deemed potentially dangerous
cruelty was meticulously constructed
their paranoia
humanistic decency
Asahinos past
her recollections
fiends solely react to the endorphins that dwell in their brains
Fox in the Henhouse syndrome
One of the more compelling elements within this episode was the elaboration on the structure and
devious machinations of their cruel society
at risk for infection
paranoia has likely manipulated their actions
caution
brutality of the fiends exacted destruction
rid themselves of these seemingly inevitable threats
monstrous tendencies
civilization as the fiends themselves
farcical and wholly naïve peace
savage
detachment from emotion
The most intriguing aspect of
Sakis conversation with Asahino
fiends and karma demons
Boy K
Boy Ks trial
his mother and several of the council members
faceless giants
psychological decay of fiends
his syndrome were further explored
innately chaotic and potentially murderous
destructive and violent impressions of the nature surrounding him
The most effective sequence in the nihilistic tale of
Boy K
transitioned into a fiend
psychological descent into an irreversible madness
mental degradation
darkness that lurked within him
shattered psyche
tumultuous disorder
transformation
sudden mutation into disturbingly violent tendencies
nearly tranquil expression
gently closed his eyes
awakened bloodlust
a fiend
blood-stained past
his upturned, frenzied eyes
teachers body being painfully stretched until her blood painted the walls
The final flourish of
Boy Ks devastating carnage
bodies falling past the window that revealed a sunset sky
deaths
descending silhouettes
morbidly scenic backdrop
brutality
curse
debilitating
flames
fatalistic realization that was likely permeating the minds of all the inhabitants that had been residing in that previously tranquil section of their world
The exploration of a
Karma Demons creation
leaked cantus has the distinct potential to corrode their world and those that inhabit it
DNA
deformed mutation
cantus
towering over her head
syndromes
Hashimoto-Appelbaum Syndrome
unforeseen plight
this cursed character
her family had all perished due to her disease
her ghostly interior, as tears fell upon her cheeks and she raised the capsules to her lips
tragically poignant
fatalistic
irrevocably extinguished life
Sakis character development has been fantastic and thoroughly compelling, particularly following
Shuns death
his devastating demise
motivated rebellion towards the Ethics Committee
retracts the eventuality of such an action
tampered memories
accept in the decision to become the successor of Asahino
Saki to rebel against society
manipulated inferences from others that indicate a greater purpose for her
path of her life
Maria
succumb to the symptoms that precipitate a mental decay, and an eventual fruition of her transformation into a karma demon, particularly due to the inference that personalities similar to hers typically attract this affliction
her development has subtly paralleled Shuns
bleak foreshadowing
overtaken both of their fates
Ive become increasingly immersed into the intricacies of this arc and, consequently, their secluded society, superbly illustrating an evident dichotomy between the satisfying excellence that suffuses this entire arc and the occasionally tedious repetitions that were found in the latter half of the previous arc, since, following the fourth episode, the narrative gradually deteriorated into a detached state of intermittent mediocrity. Of course, the most significant transition between those poorly-executed episodes and the entirety of this arc is that the focus has beautifully returned to the unsettling atmosphere and deftly restrained storytelling, riddled with veiled and occasionally nihilistic developments that excellently play to the strengths of the masterfully-written material.
Masashi Ishihama's storyboarding, having previously worked on the first three episodes, was consistently excellent. The sound direction was superbly effective throughout, particularly in its ability to emphasize a certain dread within both of the
recollections to a tormented past
nurses frightened exhale upon glimpsing the bloodied figure of the fiend through the distant window of the hospital
terror
Asahinos silent walk through the abandoned corridors
All in all, From the New World continues to exceedingly impress in nearly every area, especially notable in its narrative execution, fantastic writing, and its ability to methodically develop a plethora of subtleties within several characters, particularly Saki. There was a vague possibility of several logical inconsistencies during this episode, primarily within the structured formation of
Asahinos given explanations
Asahinos tale
Ethics Committee continued attempts to manipulate Saki
Asahino has only revealed to Saki a partial truth
Mamorus disappearance into fruition
Shuns death
CornBurrito
Member
Does anyone still watch this show?
yeah, we post in the community thread, is not popular but it's a very good show still.
Dedication Through Light
Member
Yeah its really good, and last episode was really compelling, wonder if it means Mamoru and Maria will be exiting the plot at some point.
I'm hoping you didn't quit on ep 8 as that's where the show gets good again after the poor run of episodes from 5-7. Did you get to the timeskip?
Anyway, IMO episodes 8 onwards (with a slight blip in ep 13) are very good, on par or better than the first four episodes.
CornBurrito
Member
Going to second this.
Oh and episode 11 is amazing. At the very least watch up to that before deciding to put down the series.
I remember from a really old episode (2, 3?) the narrator saying something about
how they shouldn't have left Maria live.
Could mean a lot of things...
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Good times. The revelation that
certainly answers some of the questions raised by her previous stories. The casual reveal of the
in the hearth was nicely done too. The
certainly seems like a bunch of despicable cowards at first glance, even if it is understandable why they'd be that way. They also kind of suck at lying.
There wasn't much exciting in the way of animation in this episode, but the facial expressions were effective at communicating unsaid relationships, which was good since the episode was mostly conversations. I look forward to the next episode and the reappearance of my favorite character.
Good times. The revelation that
Tomiko is 267
tainted cats
board of education
There wasn't much exciting in the way of animation in this episode, but the facial expressions were effective at communicating unsaid relationships, which was good since the episode was mostly conversations. I look forward to the next episode and the reappearance of my favorite character.
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Squealer is a true hero to humanity. While human civilization decays and eats itself in an attempt to control its barbaric instincts, Squealer is busy rediscovering society's lost technology and reinventing democracy. Looks to me like our heroes are just jealous that a lowly queerat has the guts to make hard decisions and the courage to liberate oppressed colonies.
Another low-budget episode, but still effective because of the strong writing and decent storyboarding.
Machiavelli wishes he had this much swag.
Squealer is a true hero to humanity. While human civilization decays and eats itself in an attempt to control its barbaric instincts, Squealer is busy rediscovering society's lost technology and reinventing democracy. Looks to me like our heroes are just jealous that a lowly queerat has the guts to make hard decisions and the courage to liberate oppressed colonies.
For real though, there's no way Maria and Mamoru are going to make it out of this alive.
Another low-budget episode, but still effective because of the strong writing and decent storyboarding.
Dedication Through Light
Member
15
Not really as compelling as the previous episode until a hypothesis was brought up.
Not really as compelling as the previous episode until a hypothesis was brought up.
Could Squelor have managed to capture a False Minoshiro or whatever and gotten access to some books or something. I think that whole replacing humans idea Satoru suggested makes it way more interesting now than finding Maria, especially since I guess its been two years since they last saw him.
Both ep14 and 15 were outsourced episodes, so I'm hoping that A-1's main team on the show are busy working on some big upcoming episodes.
Both ep14 and 15 were outsourced episodes, so I'm hoping that A-1's main team on the show are busy working on some big upcoming episodes.
Well that would be a good idea since
it seems like queerat war could be happening soon.
CornBurrito
Member
Hypothesis of mine:
Squealer ends up manipulating Maria and/or somehow alters her like he did the queen so that she can use her Cantus on other humans.
I might as well repost my speculation about where the series is headed with regards to the rats and the humans from the anime thread and see if we can get more discussion going here:
Spoilers for ep1-15
Spoilers for ep1-15
I don't think the rats will ever directly attack humans. They're not stupid, especially when all remaining humans seem to have telekinetic powers. Instead, pay attention to the language and foreshadowing used which is spelled out independently.
Powerful psychic users are like... nukes. Mobile weapons. This was explicitly stated last week. What have we seen in the previous arc and in this new episode? The rats may "worship" humans as gods, but in reality what they want is the aid of humans to fight their wars for them. One human is pretty much already an unstoppable force.
The rats have started to create a more complex society among themselves, suppressing their queens and advancing in technology and architecture. Satoru says that they want to "replace" humans. But if you think about it, they don't need to wipe humanity out to achieve this. Humans are already unable to populate the wider world in fear that if their society grows too large they will run into the same problems they did before. Unstable psychic users are a treat to humanity, and they can't really control it, only attempt to prevent it.
So this leaves me with one conclusion - the story will eventually reach a point where the rat creatures populate the earth as humans used to. Humans will remain a rarity with a controlled population, and either through coercion or fake alliance/worship, the rats aim to gain the support of some humans to their side as weapons of mass destruction for a huge unifying war which will create one large kingdom instead of separated colonies.
The foreshadowing thus far hints very strongly that in the end, it will be a war fought between Saki and Maria, and it could well destroy much of the known world.
Powerful psychic users are like... nukes. Mobile weapons. This was explicitly stated last week. What have we seen in the previous arc and in this new episode? The rats may "worship" humans as gods, but in reality what they want is the aid of humans to fight their wars for them. One human is pretty much already an unstoppable force.
The rats have started to create a more complex society among themselves, suppressing their queens and advancing in technology and architecture. Satoru says that they want to "replace" humans. But if you think about it, they don't need to wipe humanity out to achieve this. Humans are already unable to populate the wider world in fear that if their society grows too large they will run into the same problems they did before. Unstable psychic users are a treat to humanity, and they can't really control it, only attempt to prevent it.
So this leaves me with one conclusion - the story will eventually reach a point where the rat creatures populate the earth as humans used to. Humans will remain a rarity with a controlled population, and either through coercion or fake alliance/worship, the rats aim to gain the support of some humans to their side as weapons of mass destruction for a huge unifying war which will create one large kingdom instead of separated colonies.
The foreshadowing thus far hints very strongly that in the end, it will be a war fought between Saki and Maria, and it could well destroy much of the known world.
I think up to this point I would agree with your speculation - it's definitely what Squealer seems to be leading up to (I have to wonder, where has Kiroumaru gone in this arc? I suppose we've barely seen the rats up to this point, but it would be interesting to see what's become of him). What I think will be difficult, though, relates to the following:
War is almost certain, I agree with you. But it will have to be with humans at the head of rat armies, and neither one attacking the other directly. Although neither Saki nor Maria has been subjected to quite so strict a regimen of social conditioning as many people in Kamisu 66, as revealed in episode 14, they still have the genetic failsafes that will shut down their vital organs if they attack each other - assuming, of course, neither goes full-on Fiend, although even then it's ambiguous as to whether the genetic feedback will kick in given how many years it's been since the last Fiend.
If by "known world" you mean "a bit of Japan" then it's possible there will be large-scale destruction. I just think that the pockets of humanity are so isolated now - there's what, six colonies in the whole of Japan? - that I can't see the rats getting any further. It seems implied by what has happened already in the series that the rats, like most of the animals in the show, are some kind of mutation caused either through evolution or accelerated by Hashimoto-Appelbaum Syndrome. Who knows how the indigenous life of, say, central Asia, or Europe, has developed? Obviously the show is unlikely to deal with this, but it would be interesting to discover exactly how the rest of the world lives with psychic powers.
If by "known world" you mean "a bit of Japan" then it's possible there will be large-scale destruction. I just think that the pockets of humanity are so isolated now - there's what, six colonies in the whole of Japan? - that I can't see the rats getting any further. It seems implied by what has happened already in the series that the rats, like most of the animals in the show, are some kind of mutation caused either through evolution or accelerated by Hashimoto-Appelbaum Syndrome. Who knows how the indigenous life of, say, central Asia, or Europe, has developed? Obviously the show is unlikely to deal with this, but it would be interesting to discover exactly how the rest of the world lives with psychic powers.
CornBurrito
Member
Interestingly enough
it is implieD that early hypnosis is extremely important in making the death feedback as strong as it is an the people of Kamisu 66. We see this in the flashback Saki has with the monk stabbing himself with a knife. Now what will happen if Maria and Mamoru reproduce and have children outside of society? No hypnosis to strengthen the death feedback, and they may be able to produce a child that could kill a human or two (maybe more) before succumbing to any negative effects.
Hmmm....that could be interesting...and
Saki could live to see many generations of their children
Antiochus
Member
With some difficulty I have managed to secure a bootleg Chinese translation of the novel. It is crude, and my Chinese has become rusty these days, but still, the general details and logic check out.
Note: my responses below contain much more critical spoilers than before. So take heed if you don't wish to read it!
Note: my responses below contain much more critical spoilers than before. So take heed if you don't wish to read it!
In general it is best to temper your expectations of the series, especially regarding the ending. However, for at least the next few episodes things will escalate dramatically, the pace will quicken, and the ride will be both thrilling and horrifying.
Note: my responses below contain much more critical spoilers than before. So take heed if you don't wish to read it!
Note: my responses below contain much more critical spoilers than before. So take heed if you don't wish to read it!
Note: my responses below contain much more critical spoilers than before. So take heed if you don't wish to read it!
And what a letdown the rest of the story is. None of the epic dimensions promised or hinted at was delivered. The ostensibly powerful world building in the previous episodes are and will never be addressed again, being thrown away so very quickly. Despite the tumult the rest of the world has gone through, the focus is forcibly on not just Japan, but the particular village the protagonists live in. Even their final destination, despite its promised glory and spectacle, largely fell short. Of all the promising and fruitful themes they could have explored, they chose arguably the least interesting, and then "expanded" it in the most desultory way possible, and its resolution even more so. The ending is alternatively both befuddling and frustrating, as if all the previous events had not occurred and no one will be the wiser.
However, some praise must be placed on the attendant plot twists. There are three in total. One you should have seen coming a long way, almost being out in the open, though it is not revealed till the very bitter end. The other one is perhaps the most shocking and heartbreaking, and not at all expected. The last one is dependent on the second one, and though more muted, is no less effective.
However, some praise must be placed on the attendant plot twists. There are three in total. One you should have seen coming a long way, almost being out in the open, though it is not revealed till the very bitter end. The other one is perhaps the most shocking and heartbreaking, and not at all expected. The last one is dependent on the second one, and though more muted, is no less effective.
In general it is best to temper your expectations of the series, especially regarding the ending. However, for at least the next few episodes things will escalate dramatically, the pace will quicken, and the ride will be both thrilling and horrifying.
Note: my responses below contain much more critical spoilers than before. So take heed if you don't wish to read it!
Antiochus
Member
You are correct in the first part, but not yet. And when it does happen, not at all for the purpose you'll expect, but rather intentionally by the protagonists.
Antiochus
Member
How about episode 17?
Antiochus
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This is crucial stuff, so avert your eyes if you wish
It is good that you spoiler tagged that statement, because you've just come within an inch of the central plot twist. But not completely correct.
Antiochus
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This is crucial stuff, so avert your eyes if you wish
My goodness, yet another prodigal prediction. So very close to the actual contours near the end, but with some modifications needed on certain characters. Also, the actual storyline is far, far less grandiose that your thinking of. There are also some wishful thinking as to the decisive, final fate of the"factions" your thinking of. Very wishful thinking.
Antiochus
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I am honestly surprised. Going by the almost exacting predictions of you and the last few posters, it seemed the lot of you have access to the same bootleg Chinese translation as I do.
Well, you did wish for more discussion after all.
Antiochus
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Not a significant tidbit, so its here in the open. Kinomaru will resurface, and he'll have a role you'll scarcely (but somewhat rationally) believe in the future.
Obligatory warning about very vague spoilers deriving from a crudely translated novel
You are correct about the limitations, hence why it will not happen.
Reading the novel translation, I had hoped for such an gargantuan confrontation or implications, but alas, reality is not so kind in such expectations. And you are right, the show will not deal with such matters, because neither did the novel !
Reading the novel translation, I had hoped for such an gargantuan confrontation or implications, but alas, reality is not so kind in such expectations. And you are right, the show will not deal with such matters, because neither did the novel !
Antiochus
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This is crucial stuff, so avert your eyes if you wish
Your speculation is correct. But there lies another plot twist to it, though its not nearly as momentous as yours!
You sure you don't have a translation of the novel at your hand?
Antiochus
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Apologies if one feels upset, but they are tagged appropriately and with ample warning attached. In addition, almost all the recent predictions and speculations have been very revealing. So no more spoilers from now on. There are many other crucial details best left to be watched. In addition, the show can always change certain aspects (some of it it already did).
It may be tagged appropriately, but any kind talk, even tagged, about the original material in an adaptation thread is sometimes (most of the time? Depends on hype I guess) purely and simply banned. See: Game of Throne, JoJo Bizarre's Adventure (kinda).
People like you to, sometime unknowingly, tend to spoil things terribly for everyone, like with your statement about
(Please don't answer this part, for god's sake, I don't want to know how right or wrong this person was).
I'm not saying you're spoiling people on purpose or anything, but please just refrain from talking about the novel altogether, in any shape or form
People like you to, sometime unknowingly, tend to spoil things terribly for everyone, like with your statement about
"My goodness, yet another prodigal prediction. So very close to the actual contours near the end, but with some modifications needed on certain characters."
I'm not saying you're spoiling people on purpose or anything, but please just refrain from talking about the novel altogether, in any shape or form
CornBurrito
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Heh, I do not have a translation of the novel at my hands. But I just pieced together the information already presented to us.
DO NOT READ UNLESS YOU HAVE THE NOVEL.
I found it incredibly suspect that
1. Maria was said to be responsible for countless deaths
2. Maria ran away with Mamoru, as a couple. Capable of producing children.
Then I remembered the hypnosis think that was mentioned and made the connection of what would probably happen. Glad to see I was right.
1. Maria was said to be responsible for countless deaths
2. Maria ran away with Mamoru, as a couple. Capable of producing children.
Then I remembered the hypnosis think that was mentioned and made the connection of what would probably happen. Glad to see I was right.
Basileus777
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Is this thread safe now?
Episode 16
Episode 16
That farewell felt pretty final, I don't think Saki will meet Maria again, at least not until the end. The main group is down to two, I'm guessing they are going to have to introduce some new characters soon or bring back older ones like Kiroumaru.
Antiochus
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With all the caveats I've added and promises of not to leak anymore out, one sure hopes so
From the New World 16
Another good episode to
The pseudo-OP felt weird and sudden, but I liked everything else.
What Maria said about the adults in Kamisu 66 made a lot of sense. And it seems pretty obvious that incredibly creepy and disturbing dream will not be just a dream.
The animation really added to the sense of dreamlike horror there.
Also, nice background animation.
Hey look it's Mad Pierrot.
I really liked the scenes with the red sunset reflected in the snow set to Dvorak.
Another good episode to
end this arc.
They're getting played by Squealer so badly.
I'm guessing a war with that creepy kid creating all those weird monsters? Certainly the "Department of Exospecies Control" in the preview could be a hint at that. You know, thinking about it, that could be Mamoru and Maria's kid. Would explain Saki's narration in episode 2.
Also, nice background animation.
CornBurrito
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So a brief mention of a
drug that can suppresses fear and amplifies aggression is mentioned. Red Herring, or a way to suppress the death feedback? I assume this will be used by the Robber Fly colony to turn Maria and/or Mamoru into unbeatable tanks.
From the New World 17
This was a great start to the next arc. I love the new character designs. Some really good storyboarding and directing in this episode, I especially liked the closeups on the Queerat leaders as they reacted to the others' story.
Squealer is just the best. I hope he wins, he deserves the new world more than any of these human clowns. It takes massive guts to pull off what he just did.
I see that Saki has not lost her taste for stylish red shades:
And a new Maria-focused ED which obviously has some meaning that I'll have to think about later.
This was a great start to the next arc. I love the new character designs. Some really good storyboarding and directing in this episode, I especially liked the closeups on the Queerat leaders as they reacted to the others' story.
Squealer is just the best. I hope he wins, he deserves the new world more than any of these human clowns. It takes massive guts to pull off what he just did.
I see that Saki has not lost her taste for stylish red shades:
And a new Maria-focused ED which obviously has some meaning that I'll have to think about later.
Loved this episode. Everything has been told here or in the other thread already, but one thing that I found kind of strange/funny was how
it seems there's been no progress in TEN YEARS between Saki and Satoru. Considering how the previous episode ended and how the society as a whole seems to try and condition people into relationship, I'm surprised they don't have a kid already or something.
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kittens
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I've been wanting to get into an anime series lately, which is kinda random, cause I've never had much interest in anime beyond a few feature length movies. And yeah, this show looks cool. What's the best / easiest way to watch it? Is it available in English already, or are there fan subs? (Also, if so, I'm guessing linking to fan subs is against the GAF TOS?)
You can watch the show on Crunchyroll, which is a legitimate anime streaming website, for free with English subtitles. I don't know where you are in the world but it's available in most English language territories. Free episodes are available on a week's delay, so as of tomorrow up to episode 16 will be available on the service for free users.
Linking to fansubs is against the TOS but in this case it isn't necessary!
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kittens
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Oh, cool, thanks! For some reason I thought Crunchyroll only had the first and most recent episodes up at any given time. Gonna delve into this tonight. :-D
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