Ass of Can Whooping
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Well first they said high performance console, so you already failed at the start.
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FTC Seeks to Block Microsoft Corp’s Acquisition of Activision Blizzard
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Well first they said high performance console, so you already failed at the start.
Ass of Can Whooping
Gold Member
Oof. You're definitely disqualified then.
bluecowboys
Banned
There is no difference between consoles and pc in terms of gaming besides one being open platform and one being closed. Like saying Apple and Android are different markets because one is closed and one is open. I already address this in the first sentence. FTC is just splitting hairs to justify this lawsuit which is already failing. The FTC is trying make it seem like we either have playstation or xbox.
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Ass of Can Whooping
Gold Member
There is. It's called people who prefer to play on consoles versus people who prefer to play on PC
They aren't different markets. They're a market within a market.
bluecowboys
Banned
Someone preferring something over another doesn't mean they don't belong in the same market. I mean what's next? Xbox and playstation are in a different market and not competing because people prefer xbox or playstation?
Ass of Can Whooping
Gold Member
No, it means there's preference which can create its own market.
When you have a group that prefers Android phones, that group has the option of going with Google, Samsung, OnePlus etc.
That's called a submarket.
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CatLady
Selfishly plays on Xbox Purr-ies X
Yes, you are.
bluecowboys
Banned
Just like PC gaming so I don't know what you are getting at. Also, like I said before the Switch 2 will be powerful enough to run multiplatform games that we have been getting for the last 2 years. Seems unfair for FTC to compare Switch that came out in early 2017 to the PS5 and Xbox Series consoles that came out in late 2020.
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Ass of Can Whooping
Gold Member
That console gaming and PC gaming are two submarkets that exist within the video game market, something you've just tried to deny.
bluecowboys
Banned
Okay, so Android and Apple are two different sub markets? Since one is open and one is closed. Like I said, PC gaming and console gaming are very identical except one is closed and one is open. They both use a similar architecture, hardware, and run the same games.
Ass of Can Whooping
Gold Member
The fact that one is open and the other is closed isn't why they're submarkets. It's because they have distinct characteristics and distinct user bases.
gothmog
Gold Member
Isn't that what Microsoft has been saying? They're not competing with Sony.
bluecowboys
Banned
Distinct characteristics and user bases? So are you saying playstation and xbox aren't in the same market too? They both offer something different and unique that attracts certain fan bases to their consoles.
Ass of Can Whooping
Gold Member
You can branch the markets as far down as you want yeah. You're moving away from the point of discussion though.
CatLady
Selfishly plays on Xbox Purr-ies X
Come on, you already know the answer. They'd be orgasmic since they are constantly begging Sony buy all those publishers and more.
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SmurfMustard
Member
Did you fall into the catnip? That's totally different. Never heard of organic growth I assume.
CatLady
Selfishly plays on Xbox Purr-ies X
I forgot when Sony buys devs or publishers it's organic growth, when Xbox does it, it is a crime against humanity.
SmurfMustard
Member
That's why Phil will stand trial at the Hague. He just can't keep getting away with this.I forgot when Sony buys devs or publishers it's organic growth, when Xbox does it, it is a crime against humanity.
geary
Member
We have a group that prefers PC, that group has the option of going with Nvidia, AMD and Intel as main hardware driver. Should we also split PC in subgroups?
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Ass of Can Whooping
Gold Member
Uh yeah? There's a GPU market, obviously.
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Thirty7ven
Banned
PC is already a subgroup of the videogame market. But Nvidia would be blocked from say buying AMD for example, because the gpu market is its own. MS would be blocked from buying Steam.
It’s really weird to me people are unwilling to broaden their view of the market and are willing for it to get worse just so they can save what, 100$ a year? It’s pathetic.
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IFireflyl
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GHG
Gold Member
DarkMage619
$MSFT
My ears work just fine. I heard the FTC arguments analyzed by a lawyer. He thought that the idea of a high performance XSS was nonsense too.
It's perfectly fine to think PC, console, and mobile are distinct markets. It is nonsense to think the Xbox and PlayStation are distinct from Switch. They are all consoles and tracked and sold the exact same way. The entire premise is absurd.
Just as absurd as thinking that Game pass is a distinct market from retail. The way to pay for something doesn't change the market you are in. It's like arguing paying with case is distinct from using a credit card. All sorts of nonsense from this lawsuit.
Ass of Can Whooping
Gold Member
You read with your ears?
A lawyer is an expert (in theory) on law, not whether a device is high performance or not
. I can't believe you need a lawyer to help form your opinion on something like that
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GHG
Gold Member
Oh so now you want to play down the Series S' capability?
Let me remind you of what you were saying about the Series S just a couple of months ago:
This is quite the turn of events.
Man's spinning around more than Kylie Minogue.
DarkMage619
$MSFT
Reading isn't required when the analysis is in a video. It has nothing to do with theory. The law is exact. The arguments made don't align with the law as it is written. The FTC recently gave themselves additional powers some of which are being tested right now in the Supreme Court. There is an excellent chance MS will be able to take their challenge directly to a federal court. We'll see how well they hold up then.You read with your ears?
A lawyer is an expert (in theory) on law, not whether a device is high performance or not
DavJay
Member
From what I am gathering, this is going to court and MS likely going to win because the FTC is focusing on CoD which MS already agree to sign a contract for Sony for 10 years support which Sony claims Playstation will die without CoD.
Is this correct? This shit is going to drag on for years.
Is this correct? This shit is going to drag on for years.
Ass of Can Whooping
Gold Member
A lawyer is in theory an expert on law, not that the law is "theory"
My god you really are terrible at reading
Ass of Can Whooping
Gold Member
sainraja
Member
Nah, the deal is 1000% good for Microsoft. **Some gamers may benefit too.
Banjo64
cumsessed
If you can’t even analyse something to form your own opinion, then why should anyone take in to account what you’ve got to say? I don’t mean to sound rude.
James Sawyer Ford
Member
It depends on what you mean by "better off".
What Microsoft is doing right now, by offering Call of Duty games on all platforms without any advantages, is effectively just buying Activision for their cash flows with no competitive advantage by the acquisition itself. So either Microsoft just REALLY loves the cash flow that Activision generates, or they have ulterior motives for the long-term to be able to gatekeep Activision titles on GamePass. I think the latter is true, but some people are significantly underplaying the importance of this type of move in the future, and is why the FTC has decided to file suit.
I think the Xbox platform as a whole would be BETTER OFF investing organically into their first party studios with a far lesser sum than $69B and making compelling experiences that aren't otherwise already on the market, even if they made those exclusive due to being Microsoft Game Studios titles. Gamers get more games. Xbox gets more mindshare at Game Awards and the general zeitgeist which they are sorely missing now.
DarkMage619
$MSFT
What are you talking about? Hoeg spoke about the acquisition laws and monopolies. I listened to the FTC arguments presented about MS lying, about how the console market doesn't contain Nintendo, and how Game pass is a separate market from retail and determined as a sound and fair minded person that the arguments are completely bunk.
I have a feeling that if it wasn't Sony who could potentially be impacted by this acquisition you would not be accepting these arguments whole cloth. At least my opinions are based on past precedents. How do you explain your position?
Clintizzle
Lord of Edge.
All the moves Xbox are making is centered around GamePass, so you may be right that this is a short-term play of CoD will be on GamePass and a long-term play of GamePass will be the only way of playing CoD (on any device).
As for your comments about organically growing their internal studious - I think they are already doing that. Most of their studios are chugging along and are putting out some decent content. The ugly duckling if you like is 343i. The studio had some aspirations that just didn't land well and lost focus along the way. I have no idea how they will fix 343i and the Halo franchise.
In a funny way, I blame Insomniac for all the high expectations that we have from other studios in the industry. Not only is their output of the highest quality they seem to release them very quickly. With most other AAA studios, it either aa really good game that takes may years to make or a rushed product that wasn't cooking for long.
Banjo64
cumsessed
Easily. I’ve read and interpreted the source material.
Ronin_7
Member
Lmao MS never thought to be in such deep shit in the US since the 90s, a Company like MS sued by the FTC / GOVERNMENT is an embarrassment.
In EU is already normal MS to be in deep shit, they are being sued by Sales Force Over Slack vs Teams & by Amazon because some Cloud shit.
Well done Satya, Google & Apple must be laughing their asses off.
James Sawyer Ford
Member
Their other studios are struggling, including the ones they acquired. Maybe they are just a little behind schedule, but they need to have games like they used to in the 360 era that were an event. Like, at the very least 1-2 per year that are massive tentpole AAAA games.
I just don't see that from them, so they need to do more with their studios.
Iced Arcade
Member
Probably but at least we will get to see all the dirty laundry MS & Sony have with exclusive deal contracts.
I dunno about anyone else but that's exciting
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Microsoft, Once Sure of June 30 Activision Deal Close, Now Won’t Say
www.bloomberg.com
You make it sound so nefarious. They said "no comment" with regards to the timing of the deal compared to the previously communicated 6/30/2023 date. With the FTC scheduling an August court date, that obviously impacts things. They're not going to comment on the timeline for now until things develop more or renegotiate with Activision and it makes sense.
Ass of Can Whooping
Gold Member
With your eyes or ears?
CatLady
Selfishly plays on Xbox Purr-ies X
Microsoft, Once Sure of June 30 Activision Deal Close, Now Won’t Say
You make it sound so nefarious. They said "no comment" with regards to the timing of the deal compared to the previously communicated 6/30/2023 date. With the FTC scheduling an August court date, that obviously impacts things. They're not going to comment on the timeline for now until things develop more or renegotiate with Activision and it makes sense.
Talk about a bad faith deceptive post, what a weasel.
bluecowboys
Banned
That is what the FTC is doing and not a good look. They tried to removed PC and Nintendo from the equation which is bull.
Ass of Can Whooping
Gold Member
Recognizing submarkets exist is not a bad look.
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bluecowboys
Banned
How are google and apple laughing? Mac marketshare is down the toilet and google left the non mobile gaming space. MS is expanding while Apple and Google are staying stagnant.
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