Support NeoGAF

[ChiTownBuffalo]

I seem to remember a comic about a cat stripper named Omaha?

From the late 80's?

 

[Prax]

Speaking of furry comics... what about professionally made ones? These ones are made by comic book artists, and are all critically acclaimed. Yes, they fit the notions of a typical furry stuff, but hey, it just shows you how sometimes things can be surprising.

Blacksad is awesome (a sample page)

Blacksad is pretty awesome.
I just wish the cats weren't so.. HUMAN looking? It creeps into uncanny ugly valley for me (too much human facial structure, lips..).
That cat lady for example? Ew. Blacksad's facial structure also pretty close to a human's..
While all the other animals are pretty animal-like, which I like just fine.

 

[CHEEZMO™]

Did someone say Fascist Furries?

<------ Clicky XD

 

[Jenga]

make it stop

gaf's already dead

make it stop

 

[Hop]

You are correct sir, this is a big part of it.

There have been attempts to start (restart) non-erotic furry fandom art archives online, but they don't tend to stick around for a variety of reasons, some of which have to do with the organizers and some with the fans themselves. For instance, the biggest of the furry sites, that have both mainstream and fandom kink oriented content, enjoys the Facebook Effect: all the fans are already on it. Nobody really wants to leave it because that's where their friends are. Social media dynamics affect subcultures too.

But the cost here is that so far, nobody's been able to get a site that doesn't require wading through porn, to stick in the modern age. In my personal opinion, there are a lot of fans who, while otherwise harmless, kind of have their heads in the sand about the consequences of Furry Facebook (tm) sites looking like porn sites, complete with flashing banner ads for adult products.

I tend to prefer ma'am, but thanks.

As silly as it sounds to think about a subculture in such terms, furries do have a branding problem, and there is a good amount of ignorance/denial about the fact. But like you said, there's not enough consistency within the community to make any kind of motion; there's enough that are all like "free love, fuck you I'll do whatever" and I'm just like, that didn't work for hippies... A subculture's image to the mainstream does affect how it's treated, and while most subcultures are going to get some level of dislike anyway it helps to at least try to be respectable in some aspect.

 

[Broder Salsa]

Did someone say Fascist Furries?

<------ Clicky XD

 

[CHEEZMO™]

http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lt9shxUhJM1qgmivlo1_500.gif

 

[G-Fex]

Scalies>some furries

 

[akira28]

Oh my dear lord.

 

[CHEEZMO™]

Oh my dear lord.

The one in the centre is staring into the very heart of my soul D:

 

[Aku-Audi]

I seem to remember a comic about a cat stripper named Omaha?

From the late 80's?

Haha holy christ, I remember when I was around 7-8 years old, I went to the comic shop and found an issue of that for like a few cents and put it in my pile along with Venom and other comic books. The clerk didn't check either, so I was pretty confused when I opened that particular comic later on.

 

[Uchip]

I just wish the cats weren't so.. HUMAN looking? It creeps into uncanny ugly valley for me (too much human facial structure, lips..).

what?
personally i find that animal faces are only suited for cartoons and videogame characters
when you try and make it serious is just comes off as extra weird

jollyjack/sequential art does the inbetween best

 

[Firehead]

http://i.imgur.com/D813n.png[img]

Uuuuuu~[/quote]
Otter! :3

[quote=CHEEZMO™;33326155]Did someone say Fascist Furries?

[url="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tj8NQXGhSHw"][img]http://i.imgur.com/qaMeP.jpg[img][/url] <------ Clicky XD[/quote]
Have some more Queenston/[spoiler]Renard.[/spoiler] [URL="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wf4gGO_VGAE"]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wf4gGO_VGAE[/URL]


[quote="Jenga, post: 33326171"]make it stop

gaf's already dead

make it stop[/QUOTE]

[IMG]http://i.imgur.com/9yOJT.jpg

 

[Acerac]

Otter! :3

http://i.imgur.com/9yOJT.jpg[IMG][/QUOTE]
*Insert avatar quote here*

 

[Uchip]

what makes the least sense about furries
is how they can be ok with putting an elongated skull from a quadruped on a human/bipedal frame and think that it doesn't look deformed/wrong

i know its fantasy and all that, but the dimensions are wacky!

 

[CHEEZMO™]

but the dimensions are wacky!

There is no excellent beauty that hath not some strangeness in the proportion.

 

[Uchip]

There is no excellent beauty that hath not some strangeness in the proportion.

oh reaaaaaaaaaally

 

[CHEEZMO™]

oh reaaaaaaaaaally

Good enough for Francis Bacon, good enough for me.

 

[les papillons sexuels]

<3 furries

 

[shaowebb]

Ya know, I'm kind of surprised to see a Furry-GAF thread and its not full of massive flaming and trolling. I'm okay with this. Someone likes something or even fetishes on something you dont? Fine because its their business and its not hurting you in any way.

I'm enjoying seeing this thread not blasted by folks. To all those tempted to blast these people remember there are things you probably like that others don't. No need to rage.

In fact here's the worlds best song about just this fact for everyone who enters a thread like this to remember.

 

[blame space]

does anyone here post on dollforum.com?

 

[Tarazet]

what makes the least sense about furries
is how they can be ok with putting an elongated skull from a quadruped on a human/bipedal frame and think that it doesn't look deformed/wrong

i know its fantasy and all that, but the dimensions are wacky!

It's balanced out by the tail. I prefer ferals though. When I was younger, I used to get down on all fours and just try to imagine myself in some other body. I imagined the blood flowing through a different body shape, that electrical current taking the shape of a feline, or a wolf, or a deer. This was before I had ever even been on the Internet, let alone found out about furries.

 

[Stinkles]

It is still ok to mock Furries right?

 

[Acerac]

It is still ok to mock Furries right?

It's every bit as ok as it is to mock somebody with any interest that doesn't harm others.

 

[Pandaman]

It's every bit as ok as it is to mock somebody with any interest that doesn't harm others.

so yes then? whew. didn't want to have to refresh my cheezmo material.

 

[Acerac]

so yes then? whew. didn't want to have to refresh my cheezmo material.

Totally! Gotta make fun of something, right? What kind of person doesn't mock others based on stuff that doesn't have any effect on them?

 

[Uchip]

It's balanced out by the tail. I prefer ferals though. When I was younger, I used to get down on all fours and just try to imagine myself in some other body. I imagined the blood flowing through a different body shape, that electrical current taking the shape of a feline, or a wolf, or a deer. This was before I had ever even been on the Internet, let alone found out about furries.

I think im the only person with any kind of interest in it that really hates this

 

[ahoyhoy]

I think im the only person with any kind of interest in it that really hates this

Hates what? His fantasy? His imagination?

If you imagine his feelings in the same way as Native Americans imagined a "spirit animal" within all of us, it sort of makes sense.

 

[Animator]

Just when I thought GAF can't get any worse I saw this thread.

 

[Tarazet]

Hates what? His fantasy? His imagination?

If you imagine his feelings in the same way as Native Americans imagined a "spirit animal" within all of us, it sort of makes sense.

I can see where you're getting that, it is kind of pantheistic what I'm suggesting. It's acknowledging that we're all made of the same stuff and that we have a lot in common with animals.

 

[LaserBuddha]

How can you people call something like Blacksad "furry"? Furry is a fetish. Maus isn't furry material either. These are artistic works with integrity. Please don't try to drag them down into the dark place where Sonic the Hedgehog is dangerously close to being 100% submerged.

 

[Uchip]

Hates what? His fantasy? His imagination?

no
hates the really animalistic characters (especially when people sexualize it)

How can you people call something like Blacksad "furry"? Furry is a fetish. Maus isn't furry material either. These are artistic works with integrity. Please don't try to drag them down into the dark place where Sonic the Hedgehog is dangerously close to being 100% submerged.

wtf are you talking about

 

[LaserBuddha]

no
hates the really animalistic characters (especially when people sexualize it)

So basically take what he likes, give it a spinal adjustment and thumbs, and you've got something that doesn't feel so much like bestiality?

wtf are you talking about

Blacksad was given as an example of furry, so that someone could prop up something high brow as being in the genre when it isn't. Ookami-kun may want to believe that there are critically-acclaimed furry comics, when in fact they are just critically-acclaimed comics with anthropomorphic characters.

 

[Uchip]

So basically take what he likes, give it a spinal adjustment and thumbs, and you've got something that doesn't feel so much like bestiality?


Blacksad was given as an example of furry, so that someone could prop up something high brow as being in the genre when it isn't.

no, it just has to look intelligent
and having an animals head instantly deducts 100 IQ imo

you're taking the word too literally
anthro shit is all considered "furry" to some people, and falls into that category
which kind of sucks but whatever

 

[Black-Wind]

Just when I thought GAF can't get any worse I saw this thread.

Really? The trolls in this thread haven't been THAT bad ... (I hope you where referring to the trolls/ haters and not the topic)

 

[Stinkles]

It's every bit as ok as it is to mock somebody with any interest that doesn't harm others.

But it does hurt me. It upsets me to my very core. If I were a Politician, this would be my wedge issue. I am going to check the bible to see if it says anything about Kangaroos or Sonic.

 

[Tarazet]

no, it just has to look intelligent
and having an animals head instantly deducts 100 IQ imo

you're taking the word too literally
anthro shit is all considered "furry" to some people, and falls into that category
which kind of sucks but whatever

It may not be furry, but there's a good chance it will have appeal to furries if it's done well. I have a low tolerance for Rule 34 offenses. Even before How to Train Your Dragon came out, there was outrageous pornographic art featuring Toothless. Some folks are just shameless that way.

 

[Uchip]

But it does hurt me. It upsets me to my very core. If I were a Politician, this would be my wedge issue. I am going to check the bible to see if it says anything about Kangaroos or Sonic.

having sex with your daughter is ok though right

 

[Hitokage]

But it does hurt me. It upsets me to my very core. If I were a Politician, this would be my wedge issue. I am going to check the bible to see if it says anything about Kangaroos or Sonic.

I'm pretty sure semi-human sand worms run afoul of "Thou shalt not have any gods before me", but otherwise you have God making donkeys talk.

 

[Stinkles]

having sex with your daughter is ok though right

I think the whole point of the movie is that no, it's not ok.

 

[shaowebb]

Leto Atreides II= opening a whole new can of worms in this thread that should not be ventured near.

 

[LaserBuddha]

Leto Atreides II= opening a whole new can of worms in this thread that should not be ventured near.

Worms, you say?

 

[Uchip]

I think the whole point of the movie is that no, it's not ok.

joking
but surely you can see how people overreact and shoehorn everyone together for the sake of patronising people

 

[Prax]

what?
personally i find that animal faces are only suited for cartoons and videogame characters
when you try and make it serious is just comes off as extra weird

jollyjack/sequential art does the inbetween best

Ehhhh.. That's okaayyy.. I guess. Maybe too much forehead and "skin" which I would prefer to be fur on her.
I am fairly picky though. I like anthros to look more animal-ish in facial structure and to have fur on their bodies. They can't look too human, or else they just look uncannily ugly. same happens if the antho looks TOO much like an animal but is bipedal for some reason. Realistic feral animals will always be fine by me because they look like animals (I don't really like it when they wear clothing, have wacky hair, and other accessories though. MLP are ok to me because they are very cartoony. Were they more realistic ponies... just no).
And if an athro is super realistic in depiction, it has to be done right. SO MANY UGLY CHARACTER MODELS IN GAMES (e.g. Skyrim). Hardly anyone does it right for me. Then again, hardly anyone even gets humans right in most MMORPGs... >__>

As for elongated heads on bipedal bodies: yeah, I do believe artistic adjustments should be made so the rendering looks balanced. Like a horse's head on a human body would "realistically" look like it's pointing downwards and that weird. The artist would need to adjust the shape to make the face shorter and more horizontal, etc.

How can you people call something like Blacksad "furry"? Furry is a fetish. Maus isn't furry material either. These are artistic works with integrity. Please don't try to drag them down into the dark place where Sonic the Hedgehog is dangerously close to being 100% submerged.

For all intents and purposes, I consider all anthro material to be "furry". And I don't mean in the "sexualized and fetishsized animals with human features subculture" definition. I mean "they are anthropomorphized animals". Blacksad and Maus fits into that. So does.. Peter Rabbit, Mickey Mouse, Redwall, and Watership Down~! Every work with a fan following eventually gets rule 34'd somehow anyway, which is sad... but not all furry art is sexual or for fetish purposes. Sometimes cats in zoot suits just look cool!

 

[Uchip]

Ehhhh.. That's okaayyy.. I guess. Maybe too much forehead and "skin" which I would prefer to be fur on her!

so you object to the ones i posted a while back? thats pretty much the limit for how animalistic something can be while still looking at least on par with human intelligence for me

 

[Haly]

She has spine problems.

(Oh god what am I doing in here)

 

[drifter444]

Whats your guy's opinion on Solatorobo. I'm considering getting a 3DS and maybe the game too.

 

[Prax]

so you object to the ones i posted a while back? thats pretty much the limit for how animalistic something can be while still looking at least on par with human intelligence for me

so you object to the ones i posted a while back? thats pretty much the limit for how animalistic something can be while still looking at least on par with human intelligence for me

You mean of the snow leopard girl and etc? XD
I'd say.. yeah. They are too animalistic in some ways, while not enough in others, turning it into a bad mix for me.
For example,
Too human: Shiny lips. Human-ish pointed chin. No fur or what looks like airbrushed colours on skin.
Too animal: pointed nails and pawpads on snow leopard, extra fluff and tufts of fur in ears and end of tail when everything else is smooth
They are technically very good pieces, and I can see how they have aesthetic appeal, but it's just not my preferences for furry art. To me, their faces and airbrush markings look kind of stupid. Perhaps if it weren't coloured so realistically with smooth shading, it wouldn't look so off to me. Then again, I am picky.

Solatorobo though.. cute! Not trying too hard to be realistic. Thoguh in most anime-styles anthros, I find the females to be way more human-looking than the males (many males have some sort of snout emphasized with more animal-like statures/postures, while females often just have the tiny mouths and even pointed chins and lipstick and perfectly human female breasts and postures), and I consider it a gender/style inconsistency and dislike it a lot too.

ITT, I am judging furry art according to my tastes! Not that I can really do any better, mind you!

 

[Uchip]

You mean of the snow leopard girl and etc? XD
I'd say.. yeah. They are too animalistic in some ways, while not enough in others, turning it into a bad mix for me.
For example,
Too human: Shiny lips. Human-ish pointed chin. No fur or what looks like airbrushed colours on skin.
Too animal: pointed nails and pawpads on snow leopard, extra fluff and tufts of fur in ears and end of tail when everything else is smooth
They are technically very good pieces, and I can see how they have aesthetic appeal, but it's just not my preferences for furry art. To me, their faces and airbrush markings look kind of stupid. Perhaps if it weren't coloured so realistically with smooth shading, it wouldn't look so off to me. Then again, I am picky.

Solatorobo though.. cute! Not trying too hard to be realistic. Thoguh in most anime-styles anthros, I find the females to be way more human-looking than the males (many males have some sort of snout emphasized with more animal-like statures/postures, while females often just have the tiny mouths and even pointed chins and lipstick and perfectly human female breasts and postures), and I consider it a gender/style inconsistency and dislike it a lot too.

ITT, I am judging furry art according to my tastes! Not that I can really do any better, mind you!

still would be nice to see examples what you consider "doing it right"
the fact that they were shaded realistically sets them apart from most which cant even achieve that without looking like dogface mc'steroids

then again you didnt like jollyjacks kat... so im not even sure what to think

 

[Spire]

Yay! Creepy-gaf and Pony-gaf are no longer the most reviled factions!