SafeOrAlone
Banned
I feel bad for her at this point. Insane amount of blowback. Some of it was deserved, for sure, but she seems out of her depth. Shouldn't have given her that platform.
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strange headache
Banned
Dr. Claus
Banned
Hololive is literally cute (anime) girls playing video games. In these continuous attempts at claiming the gaming community as a whole is "sexist", we should be able to see plenty of people coming out of the woodwork to hate, troll, and insult these girls and yet we don't. Why is that? Its because they are entertaining, don't bring politics into shit, and don't insult/hate on people and admit when they are wrong.
Its because gamers are not inherently sexist. Any actual sexism within the industry is very minor. People like to run and hide and make blanket statements on groups of people instead of realize that the problem is with them. Folks like Frosk who are routinely, aggravatingly ignorant on the subject of games despite it being her job - that is why she gets a lot of flack. However, its easier to dismiss any criticism a "sexist, incel, bigots" and get the mentally ill halfwits on Twitter and ResetEra flocking to defend them.
That was also around the time when the network was dying, rapidly. At its peak, G4 covered all those things and more. They reveled in anime and japanese media to the point where they had exclusive rights to air certain anime and japanese shows.
Poor management and losing their viewerbase, so they went the tried and true tactic of insulting the audience and clickbait. It also doesn't help that the tail end was around the time the culture in the gaming "press" was changing to hate games and gamers. The rise of Kotaku, Polygon, etc.
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Dr. Claus
Banned
Honestly I wouldn't be surprised if he left voluntarily because he was about to deck that cunt Hokage.
Krathoon
Gold Member
Oh. Was there a feud that I missed?
Dr. Claus
Banned
Nah, just more referencing how TBH makes everything about his race and Creed is just a fun, interesting person. Wouldn't be surprised if Creed was getting sick of TBH as much as I was.
Vaelka
Member
I don't think anyone who just says something dumb deserves excessive levels of blowback or harassment.
It's not like they actually did something horrible, it's just being a dumbass.
Sarkeesian always comes to mind about this but it's a tricky situation.
I do think Sarkeesian was wrong and is legit a misogynist herself but she did get legit harassed I am sure and people did take it too far and basically took it beyond even attempting to adress what she said.
The sad truth is that it drowns out people who are trying to have an actual conversation that might be constructive.
And what happens is that a narrative gets spun based on the people harassing her where everyone who disagrees with her gets framed as a horrible person and she became like a saint and jesus figure in the industry.
People who engage in harassment are really just making matters worse they're actually strengthening the people they go after.
TheInfamousKira
Reseterror Resettler
For me, it isn't the stupid shit she's saying so much as it's the platform she's using to say it on. G4 is a network. It was a network. Tech TV was the same. It preceded the Gamergate war of ideologies and straw grasping conflating that became basically a job requirement for blue check marked influencers proselytizing about perceived injustices and inequalities to their tens of thousands of followers on a platform and scope that most people don't have.
It was a network about games, tech, and nerd culture, not a network on the meta commentary, politics and the conditions of surrender by the army of "oppressed minorities," slowly taking over every stage of media. I'm a big supporter of free speech, and I don't think anyone should be silenced from their opinions and the right to state them. However, conversely, I'm a paying customer (be it money, time, or attention) and my freedom of speech dictates that I'm afforded the privilege of voting with my proverbial wallet, and letting the involved parties know that this shit only makes sense on the flimsiest of tangential bridges, like if I tuned into the Food Network for recipe ideas and was treated to a speech about world hunger and how it's my fault.
Go on Twitter, your insulated subreddit, wherever, and preach until you're blue in the face, Frosk. But don't make yourselves culpable for false advertisement by promising A and delivering B. I'm in it for A.
BadBurger
Many “Whelps”! Handle It!
I'm unfamiliar with TBH outside of this relaunch, as I think I mentioned previously in the thread. When has he brought up race? I have watched everything they've put out thus far with him in it, and while I wasn't rapt at attention and may have missed something, I can't recall a single time he brought up race on the new G4.
Dr.Morris79
Gold Member
Fucking hell, theres no hope.
Dr. Claus
Banned
I stopped watching them entirely after the Frosk incident, but it was a common occurrence before hand. Making offhanded remarks like reprimanding Adam for saying "boy" and shit like that. If you can't see it then I am not sure what to tell you, mate. Its blatant.
Dr. Claus
Banned
I don't know a single person who learned about the game through XPlay. Everywhere I saw linked directly to the twitter announcement.
midasmulligan
Member
Is it though
VAVA Mk2
Member
She jumped into John Mulaney's "pie" about a year ago....now they have a kid.Is it though
Gamer_By_Proxy
Member
wtf was in that pie?!?!?!
BusierDonkey
Member
time stamp i do want to go watch all of it
oh god that abby.
OmegaSupreme
advanced basic bitch
They certainly have gone a long way from Morgan Webb and Oliva Munn haven't they? Yeesh.
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VAVA Mk2
Member
YupIt was a creampie
BadBurger
Many “Whelps”! Handle It!
So they're going to do X-Play all remote from Sessler's place for a few weeks then come back to a "retooled" show in the studio. Good idea, because the best bits from the X-Play producers have been in the shorts and not the show proper. Something wasn't clicking there.
alabtrosMyster
Member
I'm not saying I like it, but this is certainly much more entertaining than the pseudo intellectual current gaming sphere is in. At least a good portion of the "gaming" media has turned into politics commentators.
softwarepagan
Neo Member
Yeah, you know, with a handful of exceptions, the new G4 actually does feel a lot like the old G4, I think. Due to the ideological diversity of the cast, they often have to tiptoe around certain topics and honestly I think it makes for better TV.
It was funny seeing KP get all flustered over NFTs though a few months back.
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BadBurger
Many “Whelps”! Handle It!
Attack of the Show is almost exactly like the old show in tone, especially during the segments of the live stream that they know will be edited out for linear TV. The only thing they're missing is the on-location bits that typically had some hot hostess like Alison Haislip or someone doing it. Maybe once we're finally clear of COVID restrictions and such in California we'll see a return of that kind of segment. Or maybe they'll never have the budget for those things again?
TheInfamousKira
Reseterror Resettler
softwarepagan
Neo Member
Yeah, I've actually been very pleased with how closely the new AotS matches the old one in tone, with some exceptions. It seems that old fans were in mind (though the toxic cesspool that is the G4TV subreddit would have you believe that being an OG fan is a cardinal sin)
strange headache
Banned
And here I thought G4 would ban this sick sexist filth
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Krathoon
Gold Member
I want to see AOTS at E3 and PAX. Creed is already involved with PAX.
TheInfamousKira
Reseterror Resettler
And here I thought G4 would ban this sick sexist filth
Hey now, Frosk only said Morgan Webb and Olivia Munn were exempt. Amouranth was CLEARLY put on this earth to be easy on the eyes.
OmegaSupreme
advanced basic bitch
Bear*Walken*the*Sweeper
Member
Does anyone else get the sense that Sessler is already over it?
Fox Mulder
Member
Lol did they rebrand their channel to just Xplay?
wtf the woz is a gaffer good luck at g4 my man.
Ozzy Onya A2Z
Member
First vid of yours I've watched. Solid production there and great presentation too mate. Best of luck with the new role.
Kokoro2020
Member
I haven't been too caught up lately. What's going on with Frosk? Is she still on it, or has she been fired?
To be honest, she's the worst thing about the current G4, especially after that whole meltdown.
To be honest, she's the worst thing about the current G4, especially after that whole meltdown.
CGiRanger
Banned
I'm still trying to figure out how she was even hired to begin with? Was she really a "star" or "celebrity" that they thought would actually bring in views?
The anecdotal stuff I've read of her indicate that the biggest thing she's known for (LoL commentary) was how bad she was at it and how many people despised her.
Kokoro2020
Member
That's a good point, actually. I never heard of Frosk before the G4 revival. I knew The Completionist, I knew Scott the Woz, but Frosk? Like, who was she?
HAYA8U5A
Member
As a part of the changes they are making they cancelled Boosted which was the E-Sports show Frosk was a part of so not sure why they are not going all the way and showing her the door. The Amouranth thing seems like a desperate attempt to win back the original G4 fanbase Frosk single handedly drove away but they are not going to win those people back if they keep her around while the people that don't think she is just the ranting lunatic that she is were probably "literally shaking" over that segment. She has as much charisma as a stick, she has no chemistry with the others and her antics cost them viewers. She is contributing nothing of value and somebody that seems to hate everything about the gaming industry would probably be happier going to find a job not linked to gaming anyway so they would be doing her a favor.
Faust
Perpetually Tired
It is such an easy win for them to do three simple things:
1.) Fire Frosk. She hates games and gamers, she makes everything about herself, has zero self awareness, and actively makes everything she is a part of on the shows worse.
2.) Apologize and promise not to bring politics into any discussion and to not antagonize the audience.
3.) Focus on the tech and games. That is what G4 is known for. Stop trying to shill NFTs.
Kiddo Cabbusses
Member
That rebranding all but admits that the G4 too toxic to go on.
The channel's basically doomed at this point.
This is rather sad. If it didn't self-destruct so fast I could have tried asking them to revive Icons.
The channel's basically doomed at this point.
This is rather sad. If it didn't self-destruct so fast I could have tried asking them to revive Icons.
Dr.Morris79
Gold Member
That would just perpetuate more woke nonsense. Better to just keep it in the background till it gets bored and finds something else to fuck up.