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GAF Recommended Me A Good Sound System!

It will be used in conjunction with the projector i talked about getting last week and will be used mostly to play games on but to watch some DVD's to.

I noticed the Creative Labs Inspire 5.1 Digital 5700 DTS Speaker System on Amazon but i am not 100% sure. I got a price range of probably 200-300 but I don’t mind going a bit higher or even lower once the sound quality is good.

What make have you or what make would you get if you were going to get one.
 

Kleegamefan

K. LEE GAIDEN
There are a few ways you could go:

Are you looking for a DVD player??

Check out the Pioneer HTD540DV system:

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Disc Capacity 5 Disc Carousel
DVD-Audio Compatible
SACD Compatible
Dolby Digital/Pro Logic II and DTS Decoders
MP-3 Compatible and JPEG Viewer
10 Mode sound field control Advanced Music, Advanced Movie, Expanded, TV, Sports, Game, Virtual, Headphone, Extra Power, 5 Channel Stereo
Bass Modes Music, Cinema, P-Bass
Bass & Treble Control
Midnight Mode
Quite Mode
Virtual Surround Back Mode
Dialogue Enhancement
Front Stage Surround
5 Function Audio Switching DVD, Tuner, TV Analog Audio Input, Line 2 Analog Audio Input, Line 1 Analog Audio
Clock with Sleep & Wake-up TImer
Digital In 1 (line 2 coaxial)
Tone Control
AM/FM Tuner 30 Preset
Headphone Input
Child Lock
Easy Connection With color coded wire
Quick-start set-up manual
Demo Mode Hold pause button 3 sec.
Media Playback DVD/DVD-Audio/SACD/DVD-R/CD/CDR-RW, MP3
Progressive Scan Video Processing
Component Video Output
S-Video Out
High Quality On-Screen Display
CD Mode
Disc Exchange
DVD Condition Memory
Speakers 6 cosmetically matched speakers: large 2-way front speakers, large center channel speaker, rear satellite speaker, subwoofer
Stereo 300 Watts (100W x 2 Left/Right Front), 100 Subwoofer
Surround 600 Watts (100W x 2 Left/Right Front), 100 x 3 Center, Surround Right, Surround Left, 100 Watt Subwoofer, RMS (1kHz, 10% THD)

Dimensions

Front Speakers (width x height x depth; weight) 6-1/8 x 14-5/16 x 7-1/2; 5.75lbs
Center Speakers (weight x height x depth; weight) 13-3/4 x 4-3/4 x 2-15/16; 2.2lbs.
Surround Speakers (weight x height x depth; weight) 6-1/8 x 5-5/16 x 4-5/16
Subwoofer (weight x height x depth; weight) 7-1/2 x 14-3/16 x 12-7/8; 11lbs.

Beyond Dolby Digital and DTS it has 5 speakers and a sub, DPL2 (for games) and a progressive scan DVD player that also plays DVD-Audio & SACDs!!!


iUSATVS.COM is selling it for $326 USD...they have a 4 1/2 star rating @ yahoo shopping:

http://www.usatvs.com/1754.html
 

Kleegamefan

K. LEE GAIDEN
Then the Kenwood HTB-506 might fit the bill:

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built-in Dolby Digital EX/DTS/Pro Logic II decoding
5 audio DSP modes (Arena, Theater, Jazz Club, Stadium, Disco)
2-stage Midnight Theater mode
100 watts x 6 into 8 ohms (40-20,000 Hz) at 0.7% THD
AM/FM tuner with 40 station presets
3 audio inputs (1 is in/out)
3 rear-panel A/V inputs (1 is in/out); composite & S-video
5.1-channel audio input
3 digital audio inputs (1 optical, 2 coaxial)
1 monitor video output (composite & S-video)
multibrand remote control
17-5/16"W x 5-11/16"H x 12-7/8"D
Subwoofer:
8" driver
150-watt built-in amplifier
bass-reflex design
11-7/8"W x 13-1/8"H x 19-3/8"D
Front speakers:
2-way, video-shielded design
dual 4" woofers and 1" tweeter
7-1/2"W x 15-1/4"H x 8-3/8"D
Center speaker:
2-way, video-shielded design
dual 4" woofers and 1" tweeter
13-7/8"W x 5-15/16"H x 4-1/8"D
Surround speakers:
2-way, video-shielded design
4" woofer and 1" tweeter
keyhole slot for wall-mounting
5-1/4"W x 8-9/16"H x 5-3/8"D
System specs:
frequency response 30-50,000 Hz
warranty: 2 years for receiver, 1 year for speaker system HTB-506

Etronics.com has it for $299

http://www.etronics.com/product.asp?icatid=4221&stk_code=kenhtb506&svbname=425
 

DaCocoBrova

Finally bought a new PSP, but then pushed the demon onto someone else. Jesus.
*Klee*

I run all my component video through my Panny/Technics receiver. I don't think it has enough bandwidth to do progressive.

What are some inexpensive receivers that do?

Having the receiver handle video switching (since to date there are still no component switchers avail @ retail) is such a convenience, but even still, I'll need to use that in conjunction w/ a switcher since most receivers have ~2-3 component inputs.
 

Kleegamefan

K. LEE GAIDEN
DCB, there are a metric TON of recievers that have enough bandwidth for component video switching....

Give me more specifics...

Looking for 5.1?

6.1?

7.1?

DPL2?

DPL2x?

$400?

Less?

More?
 

Kleegamefan

K. LEE GAIDEN
The Onkyo HT-S770

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This is the highest feature and best sounding of the 3 systems I have shown you...though, at $499 (it is price locked on the internet for that) it is a little pricey....it has it all though...130 Watts per channel x 6, DPL2x, 2 component video ins, 24-bit/96Khz DACs on all channels.....this is a very good reciever....

Anyway, here are the specs:

HT-R520 Receiver Features

WRAT (Wide Range Amplifier Technology): This technology uses low-negative-feedback circuit topology for accurate signal reproduction, improved dynamic signal-to-noise ratio, and better delivery of power peaks.

96kHz/24-bit DACs: This receiver features 96kHz/24-bit DACs (digital-to-analog converters) for each channel.

Assignable Digital Inputs: The HT-R520 has 4 assignable digital inputs (3 optical, 1 coaxial) allowing you to indicate what components are connected to which digital input jack.

Dolby Pro Logic II and IIx: Dolby Pro Logic II creates 5.1-channel surround from two-channel material. Dolby Pro Logic IIx goes one step further and creates 6.1-channel surround from two-channel material (except 96kHz PCM). If you have indicated the presence of a surround back speaker in the speaker configuration, you can select DPL IIx as a surround mode. If you have indicated there is no surround back speaker connected to the receiver, you can select DPL II. Dolby Pro Logic II and IIx each have movie, music and game modes.

Listening Modes: This receiver incorporates a wide variety of listening modes to bring you maximum enjoyment from your audio and video software. The listening modes include:

Surround Modes:
Dolby Digital
Dolby Digital EX
Dolby Pro Logic II (Movie/Music/Game) (no Surround Back speaker)
Dolby Pro Logic IIx (Movie/Music/Game) (Surround Back speaker is present)
Neo:6 (Cinema/Music)
DTS
DTS 96/24
DTS-ES (Discrete 6.1/Matrix 6.1)
DTS + Neo:6
DTS + Dolby EX
DSP Modes:
Orchestra
Unplugged
Studio-Mix
TV Logic
All Ch Stereo
Direct/Stereo Modes: These mode deliver pure sound with minimal sound quality adjustment and filtration. In Direct Mode, the sound recorded for the right and left front channels is output to the right and left front speakers only without subwoofer. In Stereo mode, the selected input source is processed as a stereo signal and is output by the front left and right speakers and the subwoofer.

DPL II or IIx Music Modes: While listening in the Dolby Pro Logic II or IIx Music format, there are three further enhancements you can enjoy:

Panorama: This mode extends the front stereo image to the surround speakers to provide a "wraparound" effect. This mode is especially effective when there is limited output from the surround channels. Panorama can be turned on/off in the menu.
Dimension: This mode allows you to move the soundfield forward or backward.
Center Width: This mode allows you to move the center channel output totally to the center channel speaker or divided between left and right channels, creating a "phantom" center channel.
Center Image: In the DTS Neo:6 format, the Center Image feature adjusts the output of the left and right channels relative to the center channel, allowing you to make the center channel more or less dominant as needed. This improves the image of the center channel, especially when the listener is off-center.

Double Bass: This function boosts the bass by feeding bass sounds from the front left and right channels to the subwoofer. Double Bass works well with mono and 2-channel sources, including 96kHz PCM. Note: In Speaker Configuration, the subwoofer setting must be set to "Yes" and the Front speaker setting must be set to "large."

CinemaFILTER: This circuitry provides a subtle high-frequency rolloff for proper playback of soundtracks in the home. This feature provides the means to easily remove excess treble response from soundtracks that were originally equalized to sound best in a large theater. This function only works in the Dolby Digital, Dolby Digital EX, Dolby Pro Logic II & IIx Movie, DTS, DTS-ES, DTS Neo:6 Cinema, DTS 96/24, DTS+Neo:6 and DTS+Dolby EX surround modes.

Late Night Feature: The Late Night feature limits the dynamic range of Dolby Digital recordings that have been encoded with dynamic range data. Limiting the dynamic range makes it easier to find a volume control setting that ensures the quiet sounds are not too quiet and the loud sounds are not too loud for night time listening. The choices are: "Off", "Low", and "High". Note: This feature only works with Dolby Digital Encoded software and the depth of the feature will vary based on the individual software package.

Bass Management: The speaker configuration settings are optimized for the supplied HTP-520 speaker system. If you choose to use other speakers, you will need to set up the receiver for the speakers being used. In the Setup menu, you can indicate whether or not a powered subwoofer is being used, the size of the main speakers, and the size and presence of center, surround and surround back speakers. You can also set the crossover frequency according to the size of the speakers and the presence of a subwoofer in the system.

Sleep Timer: From the remote, you can set the unit to automatically turn off after a preset amount of time--10 minutes to 90 minutes in 10-minute increments.

Display Dimmer: The display illumination can be set to Dim, Dimmer or Normal.

Multibrand Remote: The RC-570M remote is pre-programmed to operate Onkyo CD, DVD, and cassette players. In addition, the remote is pre-programmed to operate other popular brands of equipment including DVD players, VCRs, televisions, cable boxes, and satellites.

HTP-520 Speaker System Features

SKW-520 Subwoofer: The subwoofer features a 10" cone woofer in a bass reflex enclosure. The LED indicator, locator on the front panel, glows red when in "standby" mode, and green when in operation. The subwoofer automatically turns on when an input signal is received, and returns to "standby" mode when no signal has been input for a few minutes.

SKF-520F Front Speakers: The front speakers feature two 5-1/4" woofers and a 1" balanced dome tweeter in a bass reflex enclosure. They are magnetically shielded to allow you to safely place them close to a TV screen without picture distortion.

SKC-520C Center Speaker: The center channel speaker features two 4" woofers and a 1" balanced dome tweeter in a bass reflex enclosure. It is magnetically shielded to allow you to safely place it close to or on top of a TV without picture distortion.

SKM-520S Surround Speakers: The surround speakers feature a 4" woofer and a 1" balanced dome tweeter in a bass reflex enclosure. They are not magnetically shielded. They can be wall mounted using the keyhole slot provided on the back of the enclosure.

SKB-520 Back Surround Speaker: The surround back speaker features a 4" woofer and a 1" balanced dome tweeter in a bass reflex enclosure. It is not magnetically shielded. It can be wall mounted using the keyhole slot provided on the back of the enclosure.

Terminals: All of the speakers have spring clip terminals that can accept bare wire or pin connectors. The subwoofer has a single mono RCA line input.

Speaker Wiring: Color-coded speaker wire is provided for all 6 speakers, plus a mono RCA cable is included for the subwoofer. Standard speaker wire can be substituted if longer lengths or thicker gauge speaker wire is desired.

Inputs and Outputs Notes

5.1-Channel Input: The HT-R520 has an analog 5.1-channel input which allows you to connect high resolution multi-channel sources such as SACD or DVD-Audio. Note: The 5.1-channel input's front channel jacks are included in the number of total stereo audio inputs.

Headphone Output: This receiver has a standard 1/4" headphone jack on the front panel. Speaker sets A and B are turned off while the headphone plug is inserted in the Phones jack. When you connect a pair of headphones, the listening mode automatically switches to Stereo, unless it's already set to Direct or Stereo. When the multichannel DVD input is selected, only the front left and right sounds can be heard in the headphones. When you disconnect the headphones, the previous listening mode is selected.

Speaker Outputs: There are color-coded binding post connectors for the left front, right front, center, left surround, right surround, and surround back speakers. The binding posts are not 5-way because a plastic collar prevents their use with spade lugs. In addition, there are spring clip connectors for the Front B speaker outputs. Note: When you turn on Speaker set B, the listening mode for Speaker set A switches to Stereo.

RI Remote Control Jacks: The 1/8" RI (Remote Interactive) remote control jacks on the receiver allow you to connect the receiver to other RI-remote capable Onkyo components.


Anything better will cost you dearly :D

BTW, here is a great page that has a listing of home theater systems sorted from lowest in price to highest:

http://www.etronics.com/listproducts.ASP?iStart=1&manaf=&order=&catid=4221&store=&rpc=&prod_type=


Happy Hunting

Cheers

K. Lee
 

Kleegamefan

K. LEE GAIDEN
DENON

AVR-1705
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The 1705 is a pretty amazing unit for the price....some of its highlights include 3 component ins with 100Mhz bandwidth (enough for 720p), 6.1 channels of amplification, DPL2x (with game mode) 32-bit Hammerhead SHARC DSPs(!!!) and super high-res 24-bit/192Khz DACs on all 7 channels (including the .1 LFE!!!)....best of all, it can automatically upconvert all your composite and S-video inputs to Component!!!!!

Here are the Specs:

Dolby Digital Surround EX, Dolby Pro Logic IIx & DTS ES Discrete 6.1 A/V Receiver • Dolby Digital Surround EX, Pro Logic IIx decoding with Cinema,Music and Game Modes • dts ES Discrete 6.1 and Matrix 6.1 decoding • dts Neo:6 Stereo to Surround decoding • dts ES 96/24 5.1 decoding for DVD Video • Analog Devices HammerHead SHARC 32 bit floating point DSP processor • 6 Channels equal power amplifier section • 75 watts per channel (8 ohms, 20 Hz-20 kHz, <.05%THD) • 110 watts per channel (6 ohms, 1 kHz, <.7%THD) • Analog Devices, 24 bit, 192 kHz high resolution DACs on all eight channels • True 24 bit, 96 kHz Digital Interface Receiver • 24 bit, 96 kHz A/D conversion on all Stereo analog inputs (Not EXT. Inputs) • Adjustable High and Low Pass Crossover (40/60/80/100/120/150/200/250Hz) • 3 Assignable Component Video inputs (100MHz Bandwidth), with On-Screen Display • Video Conversion of Composite to S-Video and/or to Component, with on-screen display • 4 sets composite and 3 "S" video inputs • 5.1 external wide bandwidth (100 kHz) inputs for multi-channel formats, such as DVD-Audio and Super Audio CD • 5/6/7 Channel Stereo • Digitally regulated volume control with .5dB increment adjustments and step range of -80 to +15 • Personal Memory Plus • 3 assignable digital inputs (2 Optical, 1 Coaxial) • 8 analog inputs including built-in AM/FM tuner • Direct Access Tuner presets by remote • Glo-Key pre-programmed remote control • Dimensions: 17.1"w x 5.8"h x 16.4"dSRP $399

Dealznet (4 star Yahoo shopping rating) is selling it for $328 bucks:

http://shop.store.yahoo.com/letsgodigital/avr1705.html

Stepping up to the AVR-1905 adds pre-outs, 5 extra watts per channel, 7 amplified channels and is due out later this month...


AVR-2105
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The 2105 is a big step up...it too has 7 amplified channels but they are 90 watts each...dual-room/dual-source output (preamp and speaker-level stereo audio output for 2nd room) and Widescreen 7.1 processing(switchable side/rear surrounds for bi/dipole speakers and direct radiators!!!)

The 2105 also includes Denon’s Auto Set-Up calibration feature...using the supplied mic, the 2105 analyzes and calibrates speaker connection, phase, size and frequency response of YOUR room via a parametric EQ. It also adjusts channel level and time delay...

Here are the specs:

7.1 A/V Receiver with Dolby Digital Surround EX, Dolby Pro Logic IIx & DTS ES Discrete 6.1 • Dolby Digital Surround EX, Pro Logic IIx decoding with Cinema and Music Modes • DTS Extended Surround Discrete 6.1 decoding • DTS Extended Surround Matrix 6.1 decoding • DTS Neo:6 Cinema & Music Surround decoding • DTS ES 96/24 5.1 decoding for DVD Video • Analog Devices HammerHead, 32 bit floating point DSP processor • New 7.1 channel Auto-Setup function with included DENON microphone DM-S305 • 7 Channels equal power amplifier section • 90 watts per channel (8 ohms, 20 Hz-20 kHz, <.05%THD) • 125 watts per channel (6 ohms, 1 kHz, <.7%THD) • Analog Devices 24 bit, 192 kHz high resolution DACs on all eight channels • True 24 bit, 96 kHz Digital Interface Receiver • 24 bit, 96 kHz A/D conversion on all Stereo analog inputs (Not EXT. Inputs) • Adjustable High and Low Pass Crossover (40/60/80/100/120/150/200/250Hz) • Front left and right channel bass and treble control • 3 Assignable component video inputs (100MHz), with On-Screen Display • Video Conversion of Composite to S-Video and/or to Component, with on-screen display • 5 sets composite and "S" video inputs • 5.1 external wide bandwidth (100 kHz) analog inputs for multi-channel formats (such as DVD-Audio/SACD) • 5/6/7 Channel Stereo • Digitally regulated volume control with .5dB increment adjustments and step range of -80 to +15 • Personal Memory Plus • 4 assignable digital inputs (3 Optical, 1 Coaxial) • 1 Optical digital output • 9 analog inputs including built-in AM/FM tuner • True 2 Source, 2 Zone functionality with Discrete Power, Source Select and Volume control for each zone • (1)Multi-Zone stereo pre-amp level audio outputs, fixed or variable level • 7.1 Preamp outputs • Power Amplifier Assign function, lets you assign 2 of the 7 amp channels to drive second zone speakers directly • On-Screen Display • Pre-programmed/learning Glow Key remote • Remote I/O ports • Dimensions: 17.1"w x 6.7"h x 16.4"d • SRP $649

Should street for around $460....
 

DaCocoBrova

Finally bought a new PSP, but then pushed the demon onto someone else. Jesus.
SOLD!!!!!!


That's cheap! All that for under $400?! What's the total wattage?

best of all, it can automatically upconvert all your composite and S-video inputs to Component!!!!!


Oh sh!t!!!!1

I never look in Denon's direction since they're pricey, but damn!

Is heat a common thing for these newer receivers? Mine gets damn near hot to the touch. Even has an exhaust fan that kicks in when the internal thermometer get too high.
 

Kleegamefan

K. LEE GAIDEN
Yeah, Denons are my favorite brands too....but I havn't even touched on the other good brands yet (Onkyo, Yamaha, Marantz, Pioneer, Harman Kardon)....but thats probably a good thing :D

So is $400 your ceiling?

Funny you say you are concerned by heat, because I was just about to show you the new Panny Digital amplified recievers which are probably the best reciever deals on earth!!!

Wait a sec.....
 

Kleegamefan

K. LEE GAIDEN
ALL BOW DOWN TO THE PANASONIC SA-XR70!!!

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This, Boys and girls is the Panny SA-XR70...it sells for about $395 USD at places like Dealznet.com

It comes in either BLACK (known as the SA-XR70K)
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or Silver (the SA-XR70S)
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The Panny SA-XR70 has all the features that you would see in most recievers in its price segment, but it also has some unique and worthwhile features that you won't find in many recievers, such as digital amplification:
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Digital amps are just beginning to appear on the scene....only a handful of recievers offer it, the XR70 being one such product....compared to traditional Analog amps, Digital amps are small, lightweight and run cool to the touch...that is why recievers using them have such a thin profile and are very lightweight(the XR70 only weights 9lbs!!!)....even better, Digital amps perform surperbly....they have have around 90% efficiency (compared to around 55% for a traditional analog amp) and they have nearly perfect theoretical performance, with no odd or even order distortions that taints the performance of even the most expensive analog amps....

BEST OF ALL...since it performs in the digital domain, you can have a *PURE* and direct digital audio path right up to final gain stage and out to the speaker...no need for the digital to analog and/or analog to digital conversion seen in normal recievers....

Want more????....the Panny XR70 also has a realtime digital audio resampler(Panny calls the Multi-Source Digital Re-Master) that can upscale the sound of all digital inputs (including an XBOX or PS2) to 24-bit/192Khz quality!!!!....very few recievers at any price can do this!!!
The overall sound quality of Panny Digital recievers are so amazing, Newform Research (a high-end speaker company claims that the digital amps in the Panasonic XR45 (older model) are within shouting distance of the quality of *$8000* Krell amps!!!.....this discovery caused such a ruckus, there is a twenty page thread about it @ avsforum...

Here is another thread that goes into great detail on the merits of Digital Amplification:http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?s=&threadid=417894&highlight=Panasonic+SAXR70


That's all kewl, but the most impressive thing about the XR70, IMO is it is the first ever reciever to do HDMI switching....with 5 Gigabytes a second bandwidth, HDMI connectors can pass a 1080p video signal, *UNCOMPRESSED!!!11* this should be great for HD-DVD, Blu-ray (PS3) and it makes the XR70 a little more future proof IMO....

Here are the specs:


Panasonic SA-XR70 Home Theater Receiver
Features in Detail | Enlarged Image
Recognizing the need for high quality performance with easy set-up, Panasonic unveils a receiver that will let users derive the full benefits of home theater entertainment in a slim and sleek unit. The Panasonic SA-XR70 is a fully digital receiver that features HDMI (High-Definition Multimedia Interface), which helps simplify the connection to other audio/video sources and provides high quality audio and video playback.

HDMI transmits digital and audio signals at speeds of up to 5 Gigabytes per second without compressing them. It supports high-definition images up to 1080p, and high quality, multi-channel audio formats such as DVD-Audio all through single wire digital connections. This produces extremely pure sounds free from noise and signal degradation and allows for high quality audio and video with fewer cables. The small, user-friendly connector is suitable for a wide range of components, such as a set-top box, DVD player, and A/V receiver and a digital television. Result: the user can derive all of the benefits of home theater without sound and picture degradation or complicated wiring.

The SA-XR70 reproduces sounds up to 88 kHz and drives them with a flat, wide power bandwidth that extends to 100 kHz. This provides rich reproduction of the ultrahigh frequency range that affects the musical ambience and mood. The SA-XR70's digital amplifier provides full digital amplification and audio signal processing. The unit features built-in decoders for the DTS 96/24, DTS-ES and Dolby Digital EX surround formats, as well as Dolby Pro Logic IIx. Other advanced features include Multi-Channel Multi-Drive with Digital Linear Phase, Multi-Source Digital Re-Master and Bass Synthesizer.

Panasonic SA-XR70 Key Features
HDMI (High-Definition Multimedia Interface)*
HDMI (High-Definition Multimedia Interface) is a new interface standard for digital transmission of video and audio signals. With HDMI, the signals are not compressed. Transmission is direct and "pure" -- free of the degredation and noise that occur with analog signal transmission. This new interface supports image resolution all the way up to 1080p.
HDMI is particularly well suited for images that will be viewed on plasma display panels, LCDs and other equipment that uses all-digital image processing. In terms of sound, HDMI is ideal for DVD-Audio and other high-quality digital formats. It accurately transmits even the most delicate signal components contained in high-quality audio signals. The result is superb sound, whether the source is two-channel or multi-channel.

HDMI is simple to use, too, requiring connection of a single cable. With all these advantages, HDMI is the ideal interface for today's age of steadily advancing digital A/V equipment and media.

HDMI, the HDMI logo and High-Definition Multimedia Interface are trademarks or registered trademarks of HDMI Licensing LLC.

HQ Sound Mode*
Unlike Panasonic conventional receivers, which use input volume to "squeeze" the audio signal before amplification, HQ Sound Mode uses a system that varies the actual gain of the amplifier. This helps provide clear reproduction of the re-mastered music signal for more subtle imaging when listening at regular volume levels.
Multi-Channel Multi-Drive with Digital Linear Phase*
A bi-amp connection configuration harnesses the amplifier's full capabilities when reproducing two-channel sound. The surround channel amp, which is not normally used in two-channel reproduction, drives the front treble speaker. The front channel amp drives the front bass speaker. The result is exceptional sound from two-channel sources.
Also, a Digital Linear Phase function applies an electronic delay to the surround channel amp, so both high-frequency and low-frequency sounds reach your ears at the same time. By reducing the difference in the transmission speeds of the different frequency sounds, this achieves incredible acoustic imaging is achieved. The delay time and high- and low-frequency range can be adjusted to match speaker characteristics. This kind of system is ideal for DVD-Audio's 192-kHz/24-bit two-channel sound, which demands reproduction all the way to the ultrahigh-frequency range.

Dolby Surround Pro Logic IIx*
The Panasonic SA-XR70, equipped with a Dolby Pro Logic IIx decoder, can reproduce all sources with two ore more channels as 6.1-channel sound. Dolby Pro Logic IIx boasts smooth acoustic movement and totally envelopes you in sound. Surpassing 5.1-channel sound in performance, this system brings even more dynamic and true-to-life ambience to movie soundtracks.
Five S-Video Terminals (Four In*, One Out)
Provides a brilliantly clear, high-quality video link to other video equipment.
* Features marked with asterisks above indicate key step-up features from the Panasonic SA-XR50 and Panasonic SA-XR50S Home Theater Receivers.




High Efficiency Digital Amplifier
CDs, DVDs, digital broadcasts -- media sources are quickly going digital. And Panasonic is working to bring out the full potential of these high-sound-quality sources with a new generation of digital amplifiers. Panasonic digital technology has achieved lower noise, lower distortion, and higher electric power efficiency. It has also made it possible to downsize, resulting in slim, sleek, smart-looking amplifiers that take up much less space around your crowded A/V entertainment center. Equipped with a host of input terminals, Panasonic's full-digital amplifiers can serve as the core of a home theater system that perfectly matches your A/V lifestyle.

Full-Digital Processing
Panasonic's new amplifiers use digital processing from signal input all the way through to output. Their degradation-free amplification lets you enjoy the full potential of today's most advanced audio sources -- you get extremely clear, powerful sound with remarkable depth, richness and presence. And because Panasonic's amplifiers are compatible with sampling frequencies up to 192 kHz, you can enjoy faithful reproduction of analog audio signals converted into 192-kHz/24-bit signals from 2-channel input or 96-kHz/24-bit signals from 6-channel input for even more quality listening pleasure.

Low Noise, Low Distortion
Panasonic and Texas Instruments developed technology that virtually eliminates the distortion that occurs in PCM-to-PWM conversion, with no loss in stability. Panasonic's full-digital amplifiers boast 98-MHz processing -- which is the fastest in the industry. They incorporate 4-dimensional noise-shaper technology to reduce noise, and feed-forward error correction to ensure ultra-low distortion even in high-frequency sounds. They also offer a VGDA (Variable Gain Digital Amplifier) function that improves the S/N ratio at low volumes, so you enjoy superb sound even when listening at night with the volume turned low.

High Efficiency, High Power
An advanced switching amp control method called dead time control combines with a serial snubber circuit to attain more than 90% electric power efficiency at the output stage. This super-high efficiency not only saves energy and reduces heat generation, it also ensures a stable, high-quality sound. Panasonic's new amplifiers are built for power, too. Pumping out 100 watts x 6 channels - incredibly high output for amplifiers this slim -- they let you enjoy the breathtakingly beautiful sound inherent in DVD and other multi-channel sources. We also paid close attention to styling, designing these units to coordinate with Panasonic DVD players. This makes it easy for you to create a home theater system that looks good and sounds fantastic.

Wide Frequency Range, Wide Power Bandwidth
Panasonic digital amplifiers boast a high frequency response up to 88 kHz and a wide power bandwidth that extends to 100 kHz with low distortion. And they drive the entire frequency range - something analog amplifiers cannot do. The results are amplifiers that clearly reproduce even high-frequency sound components 20 kHz and above, and unleash the remarkable sound potential of DVD-Audio and other advanced sources.

Home Theater Mode: Equal High Power Output of 100W x 6
Equal high power output of 100W x 6 (1kHz, 6 ohms, 0.9% THD) per left/center/right/left surround/right surround/surround back channels. Provides each of the six main channels with the same high power of digital amplifier output. The result is awesome Home Theater sound quality with full power reproduction of the dynamic digital surround soundtracks of movies recorded with Dolby Digital and DTS.
Powerful Stereo Mode
100W per channel (10Hz - 20kHz, 6 ohms, 0.9% THD).
192kHz/24-Bit Audio Analog-to-Digital Converter for Analog Input
DVD-Audio Ready
Accurate reproduction of DVD-Audio recordings requires speakers capable of faithfully reproducing very high frequencies. The individual electronic components must be designed for accuracy and timbre, imaging, sound staging, and impressive musicality. The SA-XR70 can reproduce frequencies up to 88kHz and has a 103dB signal-to-noise ratio.
Built-in Dolby Digital EX Decoder
This 6.1-channel system improves on the outstanding ambience of the Dolby Digital 5.1-channel format by adding a surround back channel. The spatial expression, acoustic imaging, and sense of sound motion are stunningly lifelike. Audio recorded in this format can also be played as 5.1-channel audio on an ordinary Dolby Digital 5.1-channel system. Combining Dolby Pro Logic II with Panasonic Enhanced Surround function lets you play virtually any source of two or more channels in 6.1-channel surround sound.
Built-in DTS-ES, DTS NEO:6, DTS 96/24 Decoder
This 6.1-channel surround sound format provides a rich, full sound presence similar to Dolby Digital EX. There are two modes to choose from. In Discrete 6.1 mode, all 6.1 channels are recorded separately. In Matrix 6.1 mode, the surround back channel is matrix-encoded into the right and left surround channels. Using the standard DTS decoder, you can play audio recorded in either mode as 5.1-channel surround sound. Or you can combine Neo:6 with Panasonic Enhanced Surround function to play any source of two or more channels in glorious 6.1-channel surround sound.
In the DVD-Video format, a system with 96-kHz sampling, 24-bit quantization and two channels delivers spectacular quality. The DTS 96/24 format improves on this by applying cutting-edge compression technologies to provide 96-kHz sampling, 24-bit quantization and 5.1-channel surround sound. This gives movies a surround sound performance that approaches DVD-Audio. Using the DTS or DTS-ES decoder, you can play audio recorded in this format as ordinary DTS 5.1-channel surround sound.

Sound Field Control
Creates a simulated surround sound field from regular 2-channel stereo sources, such as a CD or a cassette. Using the front, center, and surround speakers, this feature gives you the atmosphere of a live performance. Choose from all these settings to suit the source material and your preference: Music, Live, Pop/Rock, Vocal, Jazz, Dance, Party, AV/Movie, Drama, Action, Sports, Musical, Game and Mono.
Multi-Source Re-Master Processing
Using 1/f algorithm technology, this original Panasonic feature compensates for the frequencies of the higher harmonics that are lost during recording due to compression technology such as AC-3, which is used for DVDs. Since these harmonics transmit subtle nuances of sound, this is a key technology for achieving movie theater ambience with a Home Theater system. It's also effective during playback of CDs and other sources, particularly if the recording format is high-compression such as WMA or MP3.
Bass Synthesizer
This function reinforces the low-frequency sounds that give some content, such as certain DVD movies with sound effects, their deep, booming sonic power. For input signals of frequency 100 Hz or lower, this function synthesizes signals of half that frequency and adds them to the original signal. The result is the rumbling, super-deep bass that you've experienced in movie theaters -- the kind of sound you can actually feel in your stomach.
Independent Simple Subwoofer Control
Independent subwoofer control lets you adjust its level in your audio mix.
Speaker Configuration Settings Foe Each Channel (Except L/R Channels)
Whether you have compact, unobtrusive speakers to complement your living space, or large tower speakers for the ultimate home theater experience, the speaker configuration setting optimizes your receiver's output for accurate sound reproduction: Large, Small, None.
Multi-Channel Sound Field Functions for Advanced A/V Effects
Center Focus Mode
Center speaker sound may appear to come from the top or bottom of the TV screen. This results in disharmony between the on-screen action and the sound, particularly dialog. However, if you switch this mode ON, the frequencies that have a particular influence on how you perceive sound source up/down imaging are diffused. This gives you the impression center speaker sound is coming straight from the center of the screen, for a natural matching of images and dialog sound. Besides normal Center Focus mode 1, there's Center Focus mode 2. This boosts just dialog sound to assure it isn't buried under the rest of the soundtrack.
Multi-Rear Surround Mode
When using two surround speakers, this mode recreates the spacious sound and ambience delivered by the multiple surround speakers in a movie theater.

High Quality Analog Parts
Second Audio Output
A and/or B Speaker Selector
On-Screen Display for Easy Set-up
Multi-Control Jog
6-Channel Discrete Inputs
Connect a multichannel source such as a decoder built-in DVD-Audio or DVD-Video player.
Four Digital Inputs (Two Optical, Two Coaxial), One Optical Digital Output
Digital inputs minimize electrical noise, assuring the reliable transfer of high-fidelity sound data to help provide a clear digital signal.
Front Audio/Video Inputs
Simplifies the process of connecting your camcorder or other video equipment.
Large Speaker Terminals for Front L-R Speakers (A and B)
Helps preserve signal quality.
Subwoofer Output
Connect a powered subwoofer for a deep bass sound, essential for completing the home theater experience.
Three Component Video Terminals, Two In, One Out
A picture-enhancing advancement in DVD-Video technology. It keeps the black and white, red, and blue signals of the video image intact (and separate) during transmission, to maintain incredibly high picture quality. Component video offers outstanding video quality when using a DVD player or HDTV set-top receiver, but many TVs only have one component video input. As your home theater expands to include both a DVD player and HDTV set-top receiver, you'll need more than one component video input to accommodate them. The SA-XR70 lets you hook up both your DVD player and HDTV set-top box to the back of the receiver and send a single component video cable to your TV. You can then switch between the two using the receiver.
Quartz-Synthesized Digital Tuning System
10-Key Direct Tuning (Via Remote Control)
3 Video and 4 Audio Input Selectors
5 Audio Inputs, 2 Outputs
Illuminated Universal Remote Control With LED
Gives you control over many brands of TVs, DVD players and VCRs, letting you replace a pile of remotes with a single convenient all-in-one solution.
Panasonic SA-XR70 Specifications
Power Output
Home Theater Mode: 100W/Ch x 6 (1 kHz, 6 ohms, 0.9% THD)
Stereo Mode -- 100W/Ch x 2 (20Hz-20kHz, 6 ohms, 0.09% THD)
Power Bandwidth
4Hz-88kHz (6 ohms, 0.9% THD)
Frequency Response
4Hz-88kHz, ±3dB
S/N (IHF A)
Digital Input -- 85dB (103dB IHF '66)
Load Impedance
6-8 ohms
Frequency Range
FM Tuner -- 87.9-107.9 MHz
AM Tuner -- 530-1710 kHz
Dimensions (W x H x D)
16-15/16" x 3-9/32" x 14-13/16"
Weight
9.4 lbs.
 

gofreak

GAF's Bob Woodward
Wow, I'm looking for a sound setup at the moment too, and that Panasonic SA-XR70 sure sounds good. It'd leave me kinda short for speakers, but I can always incrementally upgrade that part of the setup.
 

Kleegamefan

K. LEE GAIDEN
^^^nice but expensive^^^^

My dad used to own a pair of Martin Logan Statment Electostats.....nice speakers..


Holy shit Klee, that is quite the reciever. How about some suggestions for speakers to match up with it?

I would go with either A SET OF SIX OF THESE

+

THIS


Or if that is too expensive I would go with ONE OF THESE

+

A set of THESE


Either way you go, eargasm is guarenteed :D


Happy Hunting

Cheers

K. Lee
 
Hey Klee, one thing I have been looking at while planning my new comp is to integrate my computer sound system with my home theater so I only need one receiver/decoder. The sticking point more than which speakers to get is what to use as a receiver/decoder. I mean right now I know that a Creative Audigy 2 ZS Platinum will decode DD and DTS, but not prologic 2. Or I could get the computer speakers that have built in decoders like the Logitech Z680s or the Klipsch GMX 5.1s. Now if I were to get my decoding on a dedicated receiver such as your panasonic model what advantages does that hold. The functions I will be performing are computer and console gaming, DVD video, Stereo and MP3 play. I really would want to do this through one receiver/decoding source with one set of speakers. What are my best options in your opinion? Keep in mind that this is for a very unified smallish room.
 
That's a mighty sweet receiver. But what's the deal with HDMI switching. It doesn't really mention there being more than 1 input, in which case it'd be pointless (Just hook your device directly to the tv.) Am I missing where it tells you how many inputs there are?
 

Kleegamefan

K. LEE GAIDEN
Hey Klee, one thing I have been looking at while planning my new comp is to integrate my computer sound system with my home theater so I only need one receiver/decoder. The sticking point more than which speakers to get is what to use as a receiver/decoder. I mean right now I know that a Creative Audigy 2 ZS Platinum will decode DD and DTS, but not prologic 2. Or I could get the computer speakers that have built in decoders like the Logitech Z680s or the Klipsch GMX 5.1s. Now if I were to get my decoding on a dedicated receiver such as your panasonic model what advantages does that hold. The functions I will be performing are computer and console gaming, DVD video, Stereo and MP3 play. I really would want to do this through one receiver/decoding source with one set of speakers. What are my best options in your opinion? Keep in mind that this is for a very unified smallish room.


You have just pointed out why dedicated recievers are usually (but not always) a better choice for gaming (PC and Console) sound....more flexibility...they are audio-video hubs...if you will..

Although more expensive, they are more flexible than either the Logitech Z680 or the Klipsch GMX 5.1.....beyond just DD, DTS and (in the case of the Klipsch GMX 5.1) Dolby Pro-Logic 2, many mid price recievers offer 6.1 decoding like DTS-ES, DD EX and more virtual surround modes like DTS 96/24, DTS:NEO6, DPL2x plus some other general surround modes (Widescreen 7.1, all channel stereo)...

Recivers also have many more ins/outs...the Klipsch has 2 optical ins (one each for say a PS2 and an XBOX) and then only one other stereo input for either an mp3 player, Gamecube, CD player or whatever.....that limits you severely and it doesn't switch video at all....compare that to the new Pioneer VSX-D514K....which, at $170 is actually cheaper than the $180 Klipsch....

Here are the specs for the Kilpsch:

5.1 surround sound supports Dolby Digital, Dolby Pro Logic II, five-channel stereo and 2-channel stereo / Game Inputs

Klipsch GMX-D5.1 Multimedia Computer Speaker Surround Sound System - Discover the excitement of surround sound through your computer with this outstanding, revolutionary speaker system that delivers an exciting new dimension to PC Audio performance.
5.1 surround sound supports Dolby Digital, Dolby Pro Logic II, five-channel Stereo and 2-channel stereo
Two digital inputs for PlayStation 2, Xbox, PC, DVD or CD signals
One Analog input for GameCube, CD, MP3, TV or VCR signals
Designed for natural reproduction of music, movies and games
35 Hz-20,000Hz frequency-response
108dB SPL (Sound Pressure Level)
Five identical two-way elipsoid horn-loaded satellites for minimized Distortion and enhanced spatial imaging
.75 inch metalized polymer MicroTractrix horn-loaded tweeters, 3-inch metalized fiber-composite mid-bass Drivers with dispersion-enhancing fixed bullet caps in each satellite
6.5 inch long-throw powered Subwoofer in rear-duct ported order alignment for extended, low-distortion bass response
Digital decoder/preamplifier
Direct path interface; Discrete design keeps digital circuitry isolated from amplifier, insuring seperation quality performance
Exclusive SWS link for customized subwoofer system Upgrades
5.1 Channel Surround Sound card required for computer use (not included)


And here are the specs for the cheaper Pioneer:

VSX-D514K Specifications Back To Top
Power

Power Amplifier Design Hybrid
Surround Power 100W x 5 Channel
Stereo Power 100W x 2 Channel
Digital Decoding & Processing
Digital Engine Motorola 48-Bit DSP Engine
Dolby Digital 5.1
Dolby Digital EX Surround EX w/Virtual Surround Back
DTS 5.1
Pro-Logic II
Pioneer Advanced Theater Modes 8 Modes
Virtual Surround Back
Mid Night Listening
Loudness
Analog to Digital Conversion 96KHz / 24-Bit
Digital Analog Conversion (DAC) 192KHz / 24-Bit
Connectivity
Audio (Tuner Included) / Video Input 3A/3AV
Audio/Video Output 1A/1AV + 1V
Digital Inputs 3
Optical In 1
Coaxial In 2
Multi-Channel Input 6 (DVD)
Audio Preamp Output Subwoofer
Composite Video Input 5
Composite Video Output 2
S-Video Input 3
S-Video Output 2
Component Video Input 2
Component Video Output 1
Headphone Output
Front A/V Inputs
AC Outlet 1
Speaker A/B
Construction
Direct Construction
Conveniences
Remote Type System
Dimensions
Dimensions (W x H x D) 16-9/16 x 6-1/4 x 15-1/2 inches
Weight 20lbs, 7oz.

Again, more flexibility....

That is not to say a reciever is for you....if you don't need a home theater hub, and you dont want to spend that much money, then get the Klipsch GMX 5.1...you can find it for $180 @ J&R which is a good deal if you ask me
 

Kleegamefan

K. LEE GAIDEN
That's a mighty sweet receiver. But what's the deal with HDMI switching. It doesn't really mention there being more than 1 input, in which case it'd be pointless (Just hook your device directly to the tv.) Am I missing where it tells you how many inputs there are?


Here are 2 pix of the Panny SA-XR70 sitting on top of a Panny DVD-S97, which has HDMI outs
http://www.highfidelityreview.com/images/hfr_news_image.gif


Here is a pic of the back panel of both
http://www.highfidelityreview.com/images/hfr_news_image.gif

That cable going from the S97 to the right jack of the XR70 is the HDMI connector.....just to the left of the HDMI input a couple of inches is the HDMI output of the XR70....the only reciever in the world with HDMI switching sofar...

Here is the website if the pix don't show up:

http://www.highfidelityreview.com/news/news.asp?newsnumber=18868399
 

Kleegamefan

K. LEE GAIDEN
XR70 also has:

A beefier power supply

HQ Sound Mode*
Unlike Panasonic conventional receivers, which use input volume to "squeeze" the audio signal before amplification, HQ Sound Mode uses a system that varies the actual gain of the amplifier. This helps provide clear reproduction of the re-mastered music signal for more subtle imaging when listening at regular volume levels.


Multi-Channel Multi-Drive with Digital Linear Phase*
A bi-amp connection configuration harnesses the amplifier's full capabilities when reproducing two-channel sound. The surround channel amp, which is not normally used in two-channel reproduction, drives the front treble speaker. The front channel amp drives the front bass speaker. The result is exceptional sound from two-channel sources.

Also, a Digital Linear Phase function applies an electronic delay to the surround channel amp, so both high-frequency and low-frequency sounds reach your ears at the same time. By reducing the difference in the transmission speeds of the different frequency sounds, this achieves incredible acoustic imaging is achieved. The delay time and high- and low-frequency range can be adjusted to match speaker characteristics. This kind of system is ideal for DVD-Audio's 192-kHz/24-bit two-channel sound, which demands reproduction all the way to the ultrahigh-frequency range.


HDMI Switching

DPL2x (vs DLP2 on the XR50)

An extra S-video in
 

Kleegamefan

K. LEE GAIDEN
The only thing I don't like about the Pannys is the fact they are 6.1 instead of 7.1

Here is a good and inexpensive 7.1 reciever:

Yamaha HTR-5760
yamhtr5760_lg.jpg


http://www.etronics.com/product.asp?stk_code=yamhtr5760&store=&catid=4118

For 327 bucks you get a reciever with 110watts x7, 192kHz/24-Bit D/A Conversion for All Channels, S-video upconversion, and the awesome YPAO Parametric EQ, which can digitally tune the sound for the audio characteristics of your room...again, if you can't quite swing the $400 for a Panny SA-XR70, this Yammy is a steal @ $327

7.1-Channel, 700W Powerful Surround Sound (110W x 7)
Digital ToP-ART Design
High Current Amplification
Accurate Touch Volume Control
192kHz/24-Bit D/A Conversion for All Channels
Accurate Touch Volume Control
Selectable 9-Band Subwoofer Crossover
Subwoofer Phase Select
Quad-Field CINEMA DSP
Compatible with All the Latest Movie Sound Formats
Audio Delay
29 Surround Programs (53 Variations)
Night Listening Enhancer (Cinema/Music)
Silent Cinema
2-Channel Mode
High Dynamic Power, Low Impedance
Linear Damping
Wide-Range Audio Frequency Response for
DVD-Audio/SA-CD Compatibility
Preout Terminals for All 7 Channels and Subwoofer Output
Speaker A, B, and A+B Selection (Front L/R)
YPAO System analyzes the acoustics of your room and adjusts various speaker parameters to provide the optimum sound
9-Channel Speaker Outputs; Automatic Zone 2 or Presence Speaker Selection
Center Graphic Equalizer
Virtual CINEMA DSP
S-Video Up Conversion
HDTV (720p/1080i) Compatibility
Wide-Range Video Bandwidth (60MHz -3 dB)
On-Screen Display
40-Station Preset Tuning
Auto Preset Tuning
Learning Remote Control Unit with LCD Display
Surround Modes: DTS NEO:6, DTS ES Matrix 6.1, DTS ES Discrete 6.1, DTS ES, DTS 96/24, DTS, Dolby Pro Logic IIx, Dolby Pro Logic II, Dolby Pro Logic, Dolby Digital EX, Dolby Digital / AC-3
 

DaCocoBrova

Finally bought a new PSP, but then pushed the demon onto someone else. Jesus.
Thanks Klee... I could've studied the specs, but I wouldn't know the answer for another 24 hours (lol). I figured asking you would be quicker.

Well... I know what I'll be buying soon.
 

Nos_G

Member
Kleegamefan said:
The only thing I don't like about the Pannys is the fact they are 6.1 instead of 7.1

Here is a good and inexpensive 7.1 reciever:

Yamaha HTR-5760
yamhtr5760_lg.jpg


http://www.etronics.com/product.asp?stk_code=yamhtr5760&store=&catid=4118

For 327 bucks you get a reciever with 110watts x7, 192kHz/24-Bit D/A Conversion for All Channels, S-video upconversion, and the awesome YPAO Parametric EQ, which can digitally tune the sound for the audio characteristics of your room...again, if you can't quite swing the $400 for a Panny SA-XR70, this Yammy is a steal @ $327


I just grabbed this a couple days ago... I got the silver one though. This receiver rocks and the YPAO is easy to use when calibrating. The remote could use some sort of backlighting though, because the glow in the dark buttons don't really work for long.
 

DaCocoBrova

Finally bought a new PSP, but then pushed the demon onto someone else. Jesus.
Yes he does...

So are you getting the XR70?

Still on the fence. Digital reveivers seem to have a much smaller form factor, which I really like. How is that?

I'm about to compare the specs to the XR50, and what I currently use...

The Panasonic SA-HE100K

Here are the specs:

Code:
Output Power - Home Theater Mode 100W per channel (6 channels, 1kHz, 6 ohms, 0.9% THD) 
Output Power: Stereo Mode 100W per channel (40Hz-20kHz, 6 ohms, 0.9% THD) 
DVD-Audio Ready 
Dolby Digital and DTS Decoder (DTS-ES) 
Dolby Pro Logic Surround (Pro Logic II) 
MOS-FET Output Stage 
Subwoofer Level Control 
Large Speaker Terminals (Speaker A only) 
6-Ch Discrete Inputs 
Enhanced Class H+ Amplifier 
2-Channel Down Mixing 
User-Friendly HELP Function 
SFC (Sound Field Control): 6 presets 
Digital Synthesizer Tuner
Frequency Range:
FM Tuner: 87.9-107.9MHz 
AM Tuner: 530-1710kHz 
Audio Inputs: 4 
Subwoofer Output 
Speaker Configuration Setting: large/small/none (except left/right channels) 
Tape Monitor 
Speaker Selector: A and/or B 
Frequency Response PHONO: RIAA standard curve ±0.8dB
CD, TAPE, DVD, TV, VCR: 10Hz-70kHz, ±3dB 
S/N Ratio (IHF A) PHONO: 70dB (80dB, IHF '66)
CD, TAPE, DVD, TV, VCR: 78dB
DVD 6-channel: 100dB (IHF A, rated power, S=2V), 85dB (94dB, IHF '66) 
Load Impedance A or B: 4-8 ohms
A and B: 8 ohms 
Center: 6-8 ohms 
Surround: 6-8 ohms 
Component Video In/Out 
S-Video Out (3) 
Video/Audio Inputs: 3 
Digital Inputs: 4 (3 optical, 1 coaxial) 
Digital Outputs: 1 (optical) 
Illuminated Universal Remote Control 
Dimensions (H x W x D): 6 7/32" x 16 15/16" x 14 25/32" 
Weight: 23.1 lbs
 

op_ivy

Fallen Xbot (cannot continue gaining levels in this class)
Kleegamefan said:
The Onkyo HT-S770

h580HTS770-f.jpeg


This is the highest feature and best sounding of the 3 systems I have shown you...though, at $499 (it is price locked on the internet for that) it is a little pricey....it has it all though...130 Watts per channel x 6, DPL2x, 2 component video ins, 24-bit/96Khz DACs on all channels.....this is a very good reciever....

Anyway, here are the specs:




Anything better will cost you dearly :D

BTW, here is a great page that has a listing of home theater systems sorted from lowest in price to highest:

http://www.etronics.com/listproducts.ASP?iStart=1&manaf=&order=&catid=4221&store=&rpc=&prod_type=


Happy Hunting

Cheers

K. Lee


i have this, and it fucking rocks. speakers are a bit big though...
 
Hey Klee, I am really liking the compactness of the Panasonic digital receivers. How would the SA-XR25 compare to the receiver you listed for me. I can get it for the same price approximately as the one you listed. Do you think that it is still worthwhile or is going back to an analog receiver recommended at that level?
 

Ristamar

Member
I have looked at those Ascend Acoustic speakers before, and they seem pretty nice. Which receiver would go well with the System 23-23 package without being total overkill, yet remain somewhat futureproof/upgradeable?
 

Kleegamefan

K. LEE GAIDEN
Ristamar...the Acend Acoustic are FABULOUS products...I should have mentioned them too...

Are you locked into Acend Acoustics...

Keep in mind the center speaker in the 23-23 system is just one of the CBM-170s tilted on its side...its not a true center speaker...

As good as the Acends are, I would more likely recommend Onyx Rocket, ELTs:

http://www.av123.com/products_product.php?section=speakers&product=31.1

As good as the Acends are, ELTs are better IMO and at $999, you are saving some dough for better quality...not only is the ELT centers, a TRUE center speaker, it is widely regarded as the best center at its price point...if you ask me, ELTs are the best mid-priced speakers, BAR NONE....

For $1200, you could buy another pair of Rocket ELT LRS mains and now you have a 7.1 system....better yet, you STILL save money over the 5.1 23-23 system...

They also have an ELT-reciever bundle for $1350:

http://www.av123.com/products_product.php?section=speakers&product=37.1

They can't mention it legally, but the reciever is the Denon AVR-1804 :)
 

Kleegamefan

K. LEE GAIDEN
Matt, the XR25 is a discontinued 2003 model.....you can get it for $219 at etronics.com

Panasonic(like Harman Kardon, JVC, Kenwood and others) usually offers 2 digital recivers at a time...the base model and the step up(Sony is the exception to this rule)...it goes something like this:


2003

XR25-base model

XR45-step up model



2004

XR50-base model

XR70-step up model(shown in a previous post by me)

At one time Panny offered an XR10 model in 2003 but that has long been discontinued and is only 5.1...

For $219, you could not find a reciever with analog amps that could match the Panasonic SA-XR25 is *SOUND QUALITY*....now, as far as overall features and connectivity...thats a whole 'nother ball game...but if you are looking for great sound quality on the cheap, digital recievers are the way to go...

If I were you, I would really save up my pennies for the XR70, though cause the sound quality of that thing is said to be amazing...
 
Thanks for pointing out the XR70, klee, that's basically the best receiver I've ever seen (with the possibly exception of the overpriced, upcoming Kenwood with networking support). The new formfactor is especially appealing since most receivers are typically larger than an XBox.

I'm guessing you like 7.1 just as an extreme audiophile? With no actual 7.1 encoding solutions it seems like a waste unless you're a huge circle surround buff.

I think the aforementioned point about HDMI is worth restating - with only one plug, (actually it looks like one in, one out) it's not really that useful. The whole technology is a good idea, though.
 

Kleegamefan

K. LEE GAIDEN
I'm guessing you like 7.1 just as an extreme audiophile? With no actual 7.1 encoding solutions it seems like a waste unless you're a huge circle surround buff.

Here is why 7.1 is a good idea....

As you probably know, DVDs mastered in Dolby Digital EX (matrixed back surround channel), DTS ES Matrix (matrixed back surround channel) and DTS ES Discrete (discrete back surround channel) are 6.1 (Left Main, Center, Right Main, Left Surround, Right Surround, Back Surround and .1 LFE channel)

Keep in mind, though, that if you use just a single back-center speaker with these movies, you can experience an unusual acoustic phenomenon where its difficult to localize sound from the back-center speaker where it appears back-center sound information is coming from the front center speaker and back and forth....

EXwaves.jpg


If you were to sit in the middle of the couch of the 6.1 diagram, the purple colored audio might sound like it was coming from the gray colored audio and vice versa...

As you can see by the 7.1 diagram on the right, stereo back-center speakers solve this problem which is a big reason people choose 7.1 speakers for listening to DD EX and DTS ES movies :)
 

Ristamar

Member
Thanks, Klee.

No, I'm not locked into anything at the moment, but I am very interested in picking up something soon. The Rockets are sweet (I was eyeing them up when you mentioned them earlier). At the risk of sounding anal, I wish they came in a different finish, though. The cherry stained birch does look classy, but it may not always match the aesthetic of the rest of the room. Black, while arguably boring and bland, is safe since it goes with about anything.

Out of curiosity, would you go with their pre-packaged receiver, or put the cash towards one of the Pannys or the Yamaha?
 
Interesting, thanks for the heads up on that. Now I really need to look up that Kenwood again, as I seem to recall the networking feature to be worth using.
 

Kleegamefan

K. LEE GAIDEN
Deg....

That silver reciver *is* the Panny SA-XR70 :D


Ristamar...

I belive you can special order rockets (ELTs included) in other finishes....IIRC, one black finish is "Piano Black" and another is this AWESOME dark black burlwood finish with grey wood swirls in the grain....it is BREATH-TAKING!!
 
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