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HUELEN10 said:
Damn, just in the nick of time! :lol You are one lucky dude.

Do you know what's gonna suck the most? No more Shop Channel for the time being...
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funny thing is that I was on the Nintendo channel a little over half an hour ago, what do you mean by no more shop?
 
If Cave Story launches this week, I will be so pissed... I'm still on 3.2 and I've been waiting for Cave Story to go to 4.1.

Oh well, Waninkoko will probably have one of his pseudo-updaters out that will reenable shop access soon enough.

jrricky said:
funny thing is that I was on the Nintendo channel a little over half an hour ago, what do you mean by no more shop?
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The shop channel usually requires you to be on the latest Wii Firmware version to let you access it.
 
Clipper said:
The shop channel usually requires you to be on the latest Wii Firmware version to let you access it.
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Hopefully there will be a hack to get on there anyway like last time.
 
So what does this update do to homebrew? I haven't been following the Wii scene for a while.

Edit: Wow does it really delete homebrew off of your Wii? Holy shit.
 
i dont really get the mentality there. it presumes homebrew use = pirate, and sure that's true a lot of the time. but even so, arent you ruling out a lot of customers that're using homebrew for any number of reasons? it doesnt justify pirating wiiware games, but it doesnt allow many other options either. i know its their right & they want to force an update any which way they can (its not as easy as MS & sony have it where you have to do it to do anything at all online), just strikes me as an odd move.
 
Honestly, if I didn't go on GAF today I think I would have accidentally updated my Wii. I do believe that we will be able to get past this just like with every other update.
 
DanteFox said:
Do you guys think nsmb wii will have this update on the disk as a mandatory install?

<:(
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Should be able to bypass it with GeckoOS. Because from what I'm seeing here in the update, there's nothing that NSMBWii would require to run.
 
Dragona Akehi said:
Should be able to bypass it with GeckoOS. Because from what I'm seeing here in the update, there's nothing that NSMBWii would require to run.
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Knowing Nintendo though, they could always pull a dick move to make it require some useless shit. :(

See, that's what I don't get, especially the Shop Channel thing. They hate piracy, I hate piracy, this is all well and good, but why would they attempt to stamp out piracy (in thier mind BTW) by PREVENTING PEOPLE from actually BUYING STUFF?

This makes no sense to me. Ugh... Doesn't that technically push for the possibility of MORE PIRACY?

I hope we will be able to access the shop soon, I need it.

EDIT: made some things more clear.

Nintendo, if you just made a region-free channel or something, I would gladly get rid of my homebrew, but until that they comes, don't mess with my ability to buy downloadable shit from you, or to import. Homebrew is not piracy.
 
HUELEN10 said:
Nintendo, if you just made a region-free channel or something, I would gladly get rid of my homebrew, but until that they comes, don't mess with my ability to buy shit from you, or to import. Homebrew is not piracy.
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I can't go back to load times, so I wouldn't give up homebrew after USB loader. Now, had they offered a region free channel (even say, for 10$) a year ago... well then.
 
Import Channel - Play Wii games from other regions for 500 Points <--- :(

Never going to happen.
 
I think if they did offer a region-free channel from the start, I wouldn't be into Wii Homebrew at all. I'd still want them to release a region-free channel, but I'm liking Wii Homebrew.
 
Dragona Akehi said:
I can't go back to load times, so I wouldn't give up homebrew after USB loader. Now, had they offered a region free channel (even say, for 10$) a year ago... well then.
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USB Loader is nice, I ain't gonna lie, but it doesn't work perfectly with all games, and I get paranoid going online in games with it. As for a region-free unlock key or a channel, 50 USD would be my max, 30 USD a high ideal, 10 USD ideal, 5 USD deal.
 
Shit. Here's hoping there is a solution by November 15th

Don't care about USB Loader. I have Imports I still play every once in a while (TvC, Gundam).
 
HUELEN10 said:
See, that's what I don't get, especially the Shop Channel thing. They hate piracy, I hate piracy, this is all well and good, but why would they attempt to stamp out piracy (in thier mind BTW) by PREVENTING PEOPLE from actually BUYING STUFF?
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They aren't preventing people from buying stuff, they are preventing Homebrewers from buying stuff. Upgrade to 4.2 and all will be good from a Nintendo point of view.

Yes, this sucks, but Nintendo doesn't have a choice. Piracy is extremely difficult without the HBC, so it makes sense to take it out in order to take out the casual pirates. It's a bold move and I applaud it.

There will surely soon be workarounds for people who didn't upgrade yet. However, new Wiis (I'd be willing to bet that every one on the new PAL bundles with Wii Sports Resort will ship with this firmware), will likely take a little bit longer to crack.
 
HUELEN10 said:
That probably was the cinderblock that broke Iwata's back. They should not make this shit mainstream IMO, what the fuck were they thinking...
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The thing is, they weren't thinking. Stupid move imo.
 
That G4 video was stupid. Play countless of classic games, which pretty much eliminates the need for a Virtual Console?

FREE, FREE, FREE!
 
EMPHASIS ON FREE!!!!!!! The best part about that is HOMG IF YOU HACK IT YOU CAN PLAY SONIC (because you can't otherwise, obv.)

Edit: somehow completely beaten by one minute to my exact post. bow.
 
A Twisty Fluken said:
EMPHASIS ON FREE!!!!!!! The best part about that is HOMG IF YOU HACK IT YOU CAN PLAY SONIC (because you can't otherwise, obv.)
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Seriously dude, that part pissed me off. Sega games as MD and MS games are readily available on VC. The "for free" thing with Sonic was blatantly implying piracy In my eyes, I honestly don't see how it was not with the attitude they used.

Seriously, fuck you G4, go buy Sonic on VC dammit!
 
Most aggressive stance against unauthorized software running on the Wii as of yet?

Thanks for the heads up, won't be touching 4.2 until there's a way to run GeckoOS. Perhaps a separate GeckoOS channel would be tolerated by Ninty with future system updates since it wouldn't enable piracy? And to think that Nintendo could easily make the Wii region free :(

Though I understand why Nintendo would want to stop softmodding, it's too easy and accessible for most users. Chipping requires some skill and loss of warranty by opening the console which most people are reluctant to do.
 
unrenowned said:
Most aggressive stance against unauthorized software running on the Wii as of yet?

Thanks for the heads up, won't be touching 4.2 until there's a way to run GeckoOS. Perhaps a separate GeckoOS channel would be tolerated by Ninty with future system updates since it wouldn't enable piracy? And to think that Nintendo could easily make the Wii region free :(

Though I understand why Nintendo would want to stop softmodding, it's too easy and accessible for most users. Chipping requires some skill and loss of warranty by opening the console which most people are reluctant to do.
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Nintendo will never officially sanction region-free gaming on their consoles or future handhelds. They value their relationships with their distributors too highly to allow them to be undercut or have their carefully crafted release schedules disrupted by cheap, early import copies. They also face the possibility of fallout due to the different rating systems in each country.

We had a good run up until now. It seemed Nintendo were turning a (somewhat) blind eye to people who had already soft-modded for import purposes (given how simple their measures ended up being) so as not to draw attention to it. Now G4TV has made this stuff public and Nintendo decides it's time to go nuclear :-(
 
I really don't think Nintendo knows how to go "nuclear". They've shown pretty shoddy coding before this, and the "OS" (I use that term extremely loosely here) of the Wii is built upon dissolving platforms.

With their next system maybe they'll have a better chance. But as of now, homebrewers are pretty much going to remain one step ahead for the rest of the generation, I think.
 
I can actually live without most homebrew; I was bound to buy a black wii one way or another anyway.

What's going to be hard to give up are my trucha injects. Though technically those are copyright violations, aren't they? So even if I'm jamming my own owned games in there it's still not quite kosher.
 
viciouskillersquirrel said:
Nintendo will never officially sanction region-free gaming on their consoles or future handhelds. They value their relationships with their distributors too highly to allow them to be undercut or have their carefully crafted release schedules disrupted by cheap, early import copies. They also face the possibility of fallout due to the different rating systems in each country.
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I don't buy the region-based rating excuse. Regions in all countries are age based. Allow users to set the age restriction in their own countries system and have it stored as an age. Games should store the age that the rating says they have to be to play the game. If Wii age < game age, bring up the parental password screen. Easy.

And if publishers dislike region free, then why are they releasing games on the PS3? There's also the point that the PS3 has parental controls and is region free too...
 
You know, it is not just G4 helping in making it mainstream, it's also craigslist and other classified ads. Search "Wii"in craigslist and I bet that you will find no less than a dozen people offering "unlocking services" to "play the classics for free". Fucking sleazebags, fucking G4, no wonder Nintendo's going all nuclear now. When people like G4 blatantly advertise games that are available on VC for free, NIntendo really doesn't have much of a choice.

:(
Dragona Akehi said:
I really don't think Nintendo knows how to go "nuclear". They've shown pretty shoddy coding before this, and the "OS" (I use that term extremely loosely here) of the Wii is built upon dissolving platforms.

With their next system maybe they'll have a better chance. But as of now, homebrewers are pretty much going to remain one step ahead for the rest of the generation, I think.
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You think, we all think and hope really. I still am paranoid about Nintendo releasing an end-all homebrew killer though. Couldn't they technically re-write the Shop completely, making certain that there would be no way to access the shop but by updating your Wii? I could totally see Nintendo doing this if "pushed" hard enough by stuff like this (G4, etc).
 
HUELEN10 said:
You know, it is not just G4 helping in making it mainstream, it's also craigslist and other classified ads. Search "Wii"in craigslist and I bet that you will find no less than a dozen people offering "unlocking services" to "play the classics for free". Fucking sleazebags, fucking G4, no wonder Nintendo's going all nuclear now. When people like G4 blatantly advertise games that are available on VC for free, NIntendo really doesn't have much of a choice.

:(
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It was the same last gen with the XBox, and that got us the fucking hypervisor. I really hope Nintendo doesn't use cycles making sure we're honest next gen.
 
Dragona Akehi said:
I really don't think Nintendo knows how to go "nuclear". They've shown pretty shoddy coding before this, and the "OS" (I use that term extremely loosely here) of the Wii is built upon dissolving platforms.

With their next system maybe they'll have a better chance. But as of now, homebrewers are pretty much going to remain one step ahead for the rest of the generation, I think.
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I don't disagree that it's a poorly designed OS with more holes in it than a cut sieve, but the fact remains that up until now, they haven't actively tried to delete the Homebrew Channel from the Wii's system memory or otherwise render it useless, despite doing the same thing for things like the Twilight Hack. This is despite the fact that the Homebrew Channel won't work if you move it to an SD card or try to move it back.

Why is that? Why would they do one thing but not the other?
 
The only reason I really -want- Homebrew access is for backing up save files. As Nintendo refuses to consider any sort of system for preserving "locked" save files or system ID codes, I suppose this means I'll just have to do the Smash Bros. thing and back up the saves.

Sadly, the newest save file manager (with support for WiiWare saves) requires some silly custom IOS.

I do wish someone would make a simple "copy ALL save files to/from SD" utility.
 
Clipper said:
I don't buy the region-based rating excuse. Regions in all countries are age based. Allow users to set the age restriction in their own countries system and have it stored as an age. Games should store the age that the rating says they have to be to play the game. If Wii age < game age, bring up the parental password screen. Easy.

And if publishers dislike region free, then why are they releasing games on the PS3? There's also the point that the PS3 has parental controls and is region free too...
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Sony aren't worried about it because they don't have an image built upon being family-friendly and safe. Same reason Sony don't use a system like friend codes.

Also, were I working in Nintendo's risk management department, I wouldn't put my trust any system that required customers to actively use a system feature to protect my company from risk, especially when the fallout means a loss of brand equity.
 
viciouskillersquirrel said:
Sony aren't worried about it because they don't have an image built upon being family-friendly and safe. Same reason Sony don't use a system like friend codes.
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What I was saying was that Sony's Parental Control system works, even though the console is region free. They obviously do care.

Also, were I working in Nintendo's risk management department, I wouldn't put my trust any system that required customers to actively use a system feature to protect my company from risk, especially when the fallout means a loss of brand equity.
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I don't understand what you mean here. To the user, the system would look exactly the same as it does right now, which is an opt-in policy disabled by default.
 
FFFFFUUUUUUUUUU

at this rate, i'll end up buying a black wii for all the up-to-date gaming and new games and keep the old one for imports/USB loading.

i'm still in 3.2 but haven't tried the shop recently...
 
The day after I bought 2000 points worth of VC and WiiWare, Nintendo crushes my ability to do so! Thanks Nintendo! Now, to disable WiiConnect24...
 
Clipper said:
What I was saying was that Sony's Parental Control system works, even though the console is region free. They obviously do care.


I don't understand what you mean here. To the user, the system would look exactly the same as it does right now, which is an opt-in policy disabled by default.
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Sony see parental controls on the console as just another standard feature, like DVD playback. There's no emphasis on it, but it's there if people want it, a bit like how Nintendo offers an Internet browser.

I was saying that "Safe and Child Friendly(TM)" is part of Nintendo's competitive advantage. Keeping kids away from online predators is taken care of by the friend codes system. Keeping kids away from mature-rated games is left up to the parents, but the assumption is that the parents do no research, so the system must be as simple as possible and must take into account the risk that a parent will not understand Japanese ratings and allow their child to play the Z-rated Japanese import with cute cartoon characters on the cover that upon closer inspection turns out to be some sort of furry underaged tentacle grape themed hentai game.
 
I bought a Wii Saturday (for the lowered price of 200), and the first thing I did was get HBC installed. Rather disappointed about the news. All I want is region freedom, although I might try USB loader if I get around to it.
 
viciouskillersquirrel said:
...the system must be as simple as possible and must take into account the risk that a parent will not understand Japanese ratings and allow their child to play the Z-rated Japanese import with cute cartoon characters on the cover that upon closer inspection turns out to be some sort of furry underaged tentacle grape themed hentai game.
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This would be fine, if region protection had ever had anything to do with being safe or friendly. From the beginning, region locks have had everything to do with preventing one timed or differently available game release from cannibalizing the sales in other regions. Imagine: Nintendo releases Super Mario Bros. 2 in Japan, and everyone in the world with a Nintendo outside Japan imports it, super-inflating the Japanese sales of the game. Then Nintendo of America makes English packaging, a new manual, and throws a marketing push behind it, and sells 15 copies.

It's safer to make things region free these days because the increase in voice acting and complex language-dependent menus apply their own artificial region lock to people who choose to wait for a release in their own language, but Nintendo (perhaps shrewdly sensing the transition back from text-heaviness to more simplistic universal gameplay concepts and a reduced emphasis on language in their case?) seems to be pursuing region control more completely.
 
Looks like I can't update. Can't risk losing my USB Loader. I'm not sure how much longer my disc drive can hold out and my warranty is long over =/
 
So, how long do you think it will be until we see Wii units with 4.2 installed on shelves? If it's anytime soon, I might just say "fuck it" and get a 2nd Wii.
 
HUELEN10 said:
That probably was the cinderblock that broke Iwata's back. They should not make this shit mainstream IMO, what the fuck were they thinking...
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This is ridiculous coming from you, the guy who pimps Wii hacking at every opportunity. Do you really feel like you have a right to criticize those G4 mouth-breathers? What a joke.
 
Phew!


I nearly hit update, then I thought: "i should probably check Gaf first." Soooo glad I did.

I don't use the homebrew channel for anything except launching Gecko to play my import Gamecube games and one import Wii game.
 
HUELEN10 said:
So, how long do you think it will be until we see Wii units with 4.2 installed on shelves? If it's anytime soon, I might just say "fuck it" and get a 2nd Wii.
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I wouldn't be surprised if the new Wii SKUs with MotionPlus packed in for PAL regions that are about to launch will be 4.2 from the outset.

imthemaid said:
This is ridiculous coming from you, the guy who pimps Wii hacking at every opportunity. Do you really feel like you have a right to criticize those G4 mouth-breathers? What a joke.
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There is a difference between pimping homebrew and pimping piracy.
 
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