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[Xamtheking]

After seeing two table rearrangements for certain, did you find that your theory you mentioned was reinforced? Or did the hypothesis get proven wrong? Is it something you can safely discuss, or still better not to bring it up?

I theorize that launchpad is the puller of the fire alarm, and didn't cause an extra table shuffling last night. But he certainly was the first person to bring up table shuffling, and seemed convinced both tables would be RNG'd freshly for each new day phase. So he knew more than the rest of us did.

My theory was that watchers/trackers specifically were bound to tables in terms of usability, but not all roles had that limitation
It's a moot point now

 

[CzarTim]

Speaking of which, Czar, you were super sure me and Gryvan were both townies tunneling on each other yesterday. What made you so sure of that? Specially when your preferred option was an inactivity lynch. Just curious.

I was fairly certain about Gry, but not as much you. His reaction to pressure was almost manic, and I felt like if he were backed by a team they'd have told him to calm down. As for you, it just seems like whenever two people argue that much on day one, they're both usually town. Towards the end though, I stopped caring because Gry was being so distracting that I didn't feel like fighting it.

Also, as I said yesterday, I wasn't voting TB because he was inactive, but because he did the same thing as scum in woof2 as scum. Disappeared on day one, and made excuses. I was curious to see if anyone was willing to swing the vote elsewhere, but no one did, and I'm assuming it's because scum weren't particularly worried by the vote.

And now TB claims when he has all of one fucking vote on him? It's super frustrating, and I'm not sure why so many people insist of claiming their role is useless when they don't know what the full setup is. Launch did this yesterday and it's dumb.

I'm not entirely convinced TB is town, but I'm not going to push a claimed PR this early.

unvote

 

[CzarTim]

I don't know wtf nin is on but I'd like some.

 

[CzarTim]

Also, something struck me about roy is how he comes into the day with a list of potential arsos, but didn't seem particular concerned about who it is. Roy is a ticking clock right now, and he is pressuring two people not on his list.

 

[CzarTim]

After seeing two table rearrangements for certain, did you find that your theory you mentioned was reinforced? Or did the hypothesis get proven wrong? Is it something you can safely discuss, or still better not to bring it up?

I theorize that launchpad is the puller of the fire alarm, and didn't cause an extra table shuffling last night. But he certainly was the first person to bring up table shuffling, and seemed convinced both tables would be RNG'd freshly for each new day phase. So he knew more than the rest of us did.

vote: weemadarthur

Something really bothers me about your posts, like you're pushing an agenda.

 

[Terrabyte20xx]

vote: weemadarthur

Something really bothers me about your posts, like you're pushing an agenda.

To be honest I feel like half the game are pushing separate agendas.


Yep, this is a wedding alright.

 

[weemadarthur]

My theory was that watchers/trackers specifically were bound to tables in terms of usability, but not all roles had that limitation
It's a moot point now

Thanks, I'll move on to another point.

You are on a list of people who are suspected of being an arsonist. I think your gameplay So far is quite plausible with being a neutral killer type, like in PW. Do you have a response?

[highlightvote: weemadarthur

Something really bothers me about your posts, like you're pushing an agenda.

I always have an agenda. It's how I scum hunt. Right now, my agenda is to figure out whether we actually know what happened in the night, and who is believable.

 

[RobotNinjaHornets]

Ugh, sorry, haven't been able to get my thoughts together about all the table nonsense and such in time, too tired and ill, sorry everyone

VOTE: Fireblend

Placing my vote on him for the same reasons as last day phase, and because his "no look we have a list of possible scum", on further reflection, just seems like a way to deflect responsibility

 

[CzarTim]

I always have an agenda. It's how I scum hunt. Right now, my agenda is to figure out whether we actually know what happened in the night, and who is believable.

You removing the tag on my vote is weird. But anyway, how do you expect to figure out what happened without more claims?

 

[weemadarthur]

You removing the tag on my vote is weird. But anyway, how do you expect to figure out what happened without more claims?

There are sufficient claims. I am not fishing for more.

I want some proof of what launchpad is saying. He claimed to be holding back information. He claimed to rearrange table two. The result we can actually verify is that both tables were reset for the beginning of the day. We can also verify that a fire alarm was pulled, which rearranged both tables. I don't see evidence that launchpad really rearranged a single table prior to night actions happening. We do have claims from that table of being a target of night actions. I'm trying to work it out. We may have multiple killing roles here. I can personally verify that taking out some unexpected players round about day four is really devastating for town.

Spoiler

The tag removal is from reading old threads where quotes interfered with the vote tool. And I don't like scrolling past the red.

 

[SalvaPot]

I hate this day and the table mechanic pisses me off.

We could have gotten some information about the drink if SOMEONE hadn't premature eja- I mean, used his action in day 1, since that sounds exactly like the kind of role you'll need to be at least at the same table to make use of.

Anyway, I'll agree with everyone and I'll say my buddy nin is slipping, what is wrong nin? You are playing like me, that is no good.

Also Xam, reading through all your posts was just painful, its like reading an attention seeking Sorian... well, I guess it was just like reading Sorian. I am almost tempted to lynch you just to end my suffering, but sadly I am reading you town so far...

I think the most suspicious of the claims is terra, it was 100% unnecessary and I honestly feel its a cover to protect itself and seem town. So far, if I had to vote someone, it would be him.

 

[nin1000]

Good morning. Xam you really are trying

 

[Bananaspaceprincess]

Okay, so KK died, joy.

Someone pointed out that I didn't move at all and I actually have a theory on that one.


I am Roytheone, The night owl. Essentially. I'm a light sleeper who get's notified when activity happens in the seats next to me. Last night activity happened. KK was seated next to me, and the message specifically stated that only ONE of the seats had activity, so I will assume his death is what caused it. I do not know for sure however.


This moves to my theory, since I guage activity in the seats arround me, maybe I don't change. This is just a blind guess mind you, but there you go.

Ok in this post you are giving an explanation on why you did not change seats last night. The only other player who hadn't switched at the beginning of the day phase was Launch of whom we (kinda) know used a power last night!

So my theory is that maybe you won't switch after you successfully used a power?!?

Fireblend and Terra were sitting next to KK at the beginning of the night start, right? So if we assume that action are bound to your neighbors both of them could have killed KK that night and that Terra in this case simply is trying to cover that up with his claim...

 

[Bananaspaceprincess]

We have learned something very important from this...

I can, in fact, change seats.

Referring to the theory I just threw out you can change seats now because you have not just performed an action. So well I am going to ask you directly, have you killed KK?

 

[Bananaspaceprincess]

Suddenly, Alarms flashed and blared throughout the banquet hall.
"FIRE! FIRE!" Someone began to yell.
"Fire alarm!" Retro called, "Everyone out in an orderly fashion, please!"
The group rose from their seats, and as one, ran toward the exits, trampling the poor Bobs who weren't fast enough to get out of the way.
Several minutes later, Retro returned from speaking with a fireman.
"It's all clear for us to go back in," he said. "It seems someone just tripped the fire alarm."

The seating arrangements have been changed as a result of the fire alarm.

So, I read on MafiaWiki that only a firefighter can save someone from an arsonist kill. Considering the gasoline attack on Roy is it really possible that this fire alarm is totally unrelated to the arsonist attack?

Roy can you pls confirm that you still reek of gasoline? I mean you did not by any chance get a message that a fireman came and cleaned you up or something?

It sucks that we got shuffled again but otherwise I guess it's better now when we can see what's happening than at night when it just entirely messes up all the traces...

 

[roytheone]

I don't think nin is scum because of those weird mistakes TBH. I would assume scum has talked a lot about the table and role claims in their private chat, so if nin is scum he would know damn well how the table and roles would work, this would be an act, and pretending to be confused is very hard to to convincingly. I also don't see a real good reason for such an act.

Xam on the other hand comes over to me as someone that is trowing shit at the wall to see what sticks. Attacking my doused claim. Going heavily in on nin. Being annoyed with inactivity. He has a lot of activity, but non of it is really that convincing. He seems like a scum trying to appear active thanks to quantity, but lacks quality.

I also still suspect Kalor. All his posts just seem very safe to me. Calling people out but then saying he wouldn't vote for them. Calling me out for having a "safe" vote on absolutBro while he himself has a safe vote on Terra. Saying he don't think gryvan is a good lynch but not switching his vote to fire to prevent that lynch. Doing some light questioning of how TB his role works and helping the poor confused nin a bit. Discrediting a pretty dumb theory of Xam of me being scum fake claiming being doused. He seems to be content to be in the unremarkable middle, not getting suspicion because of low activity, but also having a lot of safe remarks.

Tell me what you need, Bigs. I'll give you whatever info you need. Truth is, I grandstanded a bit, but I obviously could have been roleblocked since it's technically still a night action.

Well, if you were roleblocked you probably would have known, since a mod should always tell an X-shot pr when they get blocked, so that they know how many shots they still have left.

Also, something struck me about roy is how he comes into the day with a list of potential arsos, but didn't seem particular concerned about who it is. Roy is a ticking clock right now, and he is pressuring two people not on his list.

I am thinking about who the arso could be, but outside of my theory of launch being the arso and this whole claiming to be scrafty thing is a shield against lynches and night kills, I don't really have anything yet. Everyone on the list could be the arso, and even that is assuming the arso can only target at the same table, which is not a certainty. The only one of that list I don't really see as the arso is Ourob since he is a bit too active to be the arso, you don't want to attract a potential NK as a neutral.

 

[Bananaspaceprincess]

But... why would you claim this now? Your power becomes lot less useful after claiming, since scum will be now lot more careful when located next to you--

Wait.

What if that's the reason why the fire alarm was rang? Scum wanted out of the positions next to Terra...? At the start of Day 2, Kalor and Roy were located next to him.

This also seems plausible. But why would scum or anybody actually use this so early in the day? We still know who was sitting were and we also know were everyone is sitting now.

I either believe that the arsonist doctor pulled the fire alarm or neutral prankster who has to mess around multiple times during the game in order to win.

 

[roytheone]

So, I read on MafiaWiki that only a firefighter can save someone from an arsonist kill. Considering the gasoline attack on Roy is it really possible that this fire alarm is totally unrelated to the arsonist attack?

Roy can you pls confirm that you still reek of gasoline? I mean you did not by any chance get a message that a fireman came and cleaned you up or something?

It sucks that we got shuffled again but otherwise I guess it's better now when we can see what's happening than at night when it just entirely messes up all the traces...

V

Well, I didn't got any pm saying my status changed, so I doubt this is the case.

But yeah, I agree that the fire alarm and the arsonist are probably linked in some way.

 

[Bananaspaceprincess]

Night 1:

Table 1:
Everyone performed their actions
Table gets mod-scrambled

Table 2:
Launch scrambled the table
Everyone performed their actions
Table gets mod-scrambled

But we don't know for sure that it happened just like that, right?

1. Launch could be lying
2. Other switchers could have used their power without telling us about it

Tbh I tent to trust Launch because I don't want things to be even more complicated than they already are but as long as nothing is confirmed there still is a pinch of doubt!

 

[Bananaspaceprincess]

V



But yeah, I agree that the fire alarm and the arsonist are probably linked in some way.

I see. Let's wait and see if something will happen to you during the night phase or later that day.

Until then I will focus on the neutral prankster theory. I guess this action is not bound to any table.

 

[Bananaspaceprincess]

Also, where IS everyone??? How dare you guys, not being around the thread 24/7!!!!!! Tss tss

 

[Ty4on]

Ok in this post you are giving an explanation on why you did not change seats last night. The only other player who hadn't switched at the beginning of the day phase was Launch of whom we (kinda) know used a power last night!

So my theory is that maybe you won't switch after you successfully used a power?!?

Unless both are lying we have the arsonist and possible poisoner performing actions last night. I doubt we just had Launch and Terra performing actions last night.
Either way I think some were stationary because they switched to their own seat.

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If my math is right and we assume every seating position was scrambled randomly (all 22 switched at once) then the chance of everybody ending up in a different seat is just 35.9%. The chance of 1 person and only 1 not changing seats is 37.6%. The chance of 2 and only 2 staying put is 18.8%. So the chance of 1 or 2 not changing seats is above 50% and what we'd expect to happen most of the time.

If each table was switched independently (which we know didn't happen in isolation because some changed tables) then the chance of everybody finding a new seat is just 12.3%.

 

[Bananaspaceprincess]

Nin1000
Ty4on
Robotninjahornets
Kalor
Terrabyte20XX
Weemadarthur
Xamtheking
Bababaspaceprincess
Czartim

Nin... seriously??? °__°

 

[Xamtheking]

Hi Roy
1. I went in on nin for a few reasons, the primary one being that that is not how Nin has played in the games I've played with him, especially FF. Gotta find that behavior change, fam.
2. Again, whether or not I die sometime this day phase will effect if you're telling the truth. In my mind, a drink-related role is almost always a poisoner, and all I know with 100% certainty is that I was given a drink last night.
3. You know I'm never a fan of inactivity

 

[Bananaspaceprincess]

Unless both are lying we have the arsonist and possible poisoner performing actions last night. I doubt we just had Launch and Terra performing actions last night.
Either way I think some were stationary because they switched to their own seat.

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If my math is right and we assume every seating position was scrambled randomly (all 22 switched at once) then the chance of everybody ending up in a different seat is just 35.9%. The chance of 1 person and only 1 not changing seats is 37.6%. The chance of 2 and only 2 staying put is 18.8%. So the chance of 1 or 2 not changing seats is above 50% and what we'd expect to happen most of the time.

If each table was switched independently (which we know didn't happen in isolation because some changed tables) then the chance of everybody finding a new seat is just 12.3%.

Mhh all my theories can't beat math I guess But I don't know, maybe they are the only actions that actually took place right at the time and didn't just trigger something for later or... all right I stop there.

But well I forgot about Xams drink! We don't know for sure that it is poison he drank, right? But Xam seems very obsessed with this idea of dying soon. Shall we lynch him if he doesn't? ^^

 

[AbsolutBro]

While it's possible our possible arsonist and fire alarm puller are related, until we see proof of it in the form of one of their role PMs we probably shouldn't think too hard on it. It is entirely possible (and likely imo) that it is simply reading too much into the fluff of the roles/actions. The fire alarm puller is effectively a switcher, and likely nothing more.

 

[Terrabyte20xx]

Referring to the theory I just threw out you can change seats now because you have not just performed an action. So well I am going to ask you directly, have you killed KK?

If I killed KK, I either would never have said anything, or come right out and say it myself. Not some passive-agressive bull crap like that.

 

[Xamtheking]

Thanks, I'll move on to another point.

You are on a list of people who are suspected of being an arsonist. I think your gameplay So far is quite plausible with being a neutral killer type, like in PW. Do you have a response?


I always have an agenda. It's how I scum hunt. Right now, my agenda is to figure out whether we actually know what happened in the night, and who is believable.

You caught me
I'm actually Weemadarthur, the Insufferable Lyricist. Every night I visit a player of my choosing and douse them with gasoline later. However, they like this because it means they don't have to listen to my dumb limericks anymore.
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I'm no neutral, fam

 

[LaunchpadMcQ]

After seeing two table rearrangements for certain, did you find that your theory you mentioned was reinforced? Or did the hypothesis get proven wrong? Is it something you can safely discuss, or still better not to bring it up?

I theorize that launchpad is the puller of the fire alarm, and didn't cause an extra table shuffling last night. But he certainly was the first person to bring up table shuffling, and seemed convinced both tables would be RNG'd freshly for each new day phase. So he knew more than the rest of us did.

I really have no reason to separate myself from this, other than its the truth, but no I didn't pull the fire alarm and I was speculating about the mod switch. I didn't have any concrete information. It just seemed logical to me.

 

[Terrabyte20xx]

I hate this day and the table mechanic pisses me off.

We could have gotten some information about the drink if SOMEONE hadn't premature eja- I mean, used his action in day 1, since that sounds exactly like the kind of role you'll need to be at least at the same table to make use of.

Anyway, I'll agree with everyone and I'll say my buddy nin is slipping, what is wrong nin? You are playing like me, that is no good.

Also Xam, reading through all your posts was just painful, its like reading an attention seeking Sorian... well, I guess it was just like reading Sorian. I am almost tempted to lynch you just to end my suffering, but sadly I am reading you town so far...

I think the most suspicious of the claims is terra, it was 100% unnecessary and I honestly feel its a cover to protect itself and seem town. So far, if I had to vote someone, it would be him.

Then why haven't you placed a vote yet? Don't want your name on the record? Or maybe you're looking for an excuse?

Here, let me give you one:

VOTE: SalvaPot

 

[LaunchpadMcQ]

Also, Xam drinking sounds like another potential "hell drop dead any turn now" ability.

 

[Xamtheking]

Also, Xam drinking sounds like another potential "hell drop dead any turn now" ability.

I HAVE BEEN SAYING THIS SINCE THE START OF THE DAY

 

[LaunchpadMcQ]

I HAVE BEEN SAYING THIS SINCE THE START OF THE DAY

Someone else brought it up.

 

[Xamtheking]

Someone else brought it up.

Kk
Has your top town/scum changed at all?

 

[nin1000]

Kk
Has your top town/scum changed at all?

same as it ever was Xam

 

[Xamtheking]

Nin, do you think you could come up with a post that you actually put effort towards
Thanks much
Like, maybe we could have discussions

 

[nin1000]

Nin, do you think you could come up with a post that you actually put effort towards
Thanks much
Like, maybe we could have discussions

I mean the first posts were genuine, since i tried to stirr up some discussion. After that i tried to explain to you my line of thought for now i did not have anything to add since all that has been said since then was pure garbage , expecially from you Xam. I expected more from you but other than playing the victim and screaming like a baby you have done not much sad to see that tbh

 

[nin1000]

Roy, since you claimed to be doused and then followed that claim with a loist of potential players who could have done that. How are your feelings about that initial line of thought? There have been a lot of things that came after that and it feels kind of strange to see you not even mentioning that anymore.
Can you elaborate ?

 

[Xamtheking]

I mean the first posts were genuine, since i tried to stirr up some discussion. After that i tried to explain to you my line of thought for now i did not have anything to add since all that has been said since then was pure garbage , expecially from you Xam. I expected more from you but other than playing the victim and screaming like a baby you have done not much sad to see that tbh

Then why did you say I was really trying earlier, lol
Nin you are a mystery wrapped in an enigma wrapped in bacon to me right now
What are your thoughts on the fire alarm?

 

[nin1000]

Then why did you say I was really trying earlier, lol
Nin you are a mystery wrapped in an enigma wrapped in bacon to me right now
What are your thoughts on the fire alarm?

I dont really get it at this point. At first glance it seems useless since night actions occur at night. It can be seen as a town action in order to confuse Mafia but since it is open and everyone can see how they changed seats for my money it is more of a scum action.
Since they now have other targets. The douser aswell as the poisoner are now seated elsewhere. Meaning that they have new targets. I am still thorn about it but well those are my 2c about the whole "fire alarm" thing

 

[CzarTim]

Roy, since you claimed to be doused and then followed that claim with a loist of potential players who could have done that. How are your feelings about that initial line of thought? There have been a lot of things that came after that and it feels kind of strange to see you not even mentioning that anymore.
Can you elaborate ?

I brought this up and it was answered on this very page?

Also, something struck me about roy is how he comes into the day with a list of potential arsos, but didn't seem particular concerned about who it is. Roy is a ticking clock right now, and he is pressuring two people not on his list.

I am thinking about who the arso could be, but outside of my theory of launch being the arso and this whole claiming to be scrafty thing is a shield against lynches and night kills, I don't really have anything yet. Everyone on the list could be the arso, and even that is assuming the arso can only target at the same table, which is not a certainty. The only one of that list I don't really see as the arso is Ourob since he is a bit too active to be the arso, you don't want to attract a potential NK as a neutral.

 

[Xamtheking]

This needs to stop
Vote: Hyperactivity
WHY DO INACTIVES GET AWAY WITH THIS

 

[Ourobolus]

Nin... seriously??? °__°

snrk

Anyway, thanks for finally speaking up. I don't know if it's really getting us anywhere, but at least you're here.

Now, where are Bronx, Scrafty, and Hyper?

 

[Fireblend]

Is Scrafty even in this game still? Cuz if she isn't I might as well move my vote.

 

[roytheone]

Hi Roy
1. I went in on nin for a few reasons, the primary one being that that is not how Nin has played in the games I've played with him, especially FF. Gotta find that behavior change, fam.

So, if nin is scum, what is the idea behind pretending to be confused about everything? I would assume scum would talk about the seating and claimed powers in their chat, and I doubt the whole team misunderstood those things. So if nin is scum, he is faking this confusion, but I can't really think of a reason why.

 

[Xamtheking]

So, if nin is scum, what is the idea behind pretending to be confused about everything? I would assume scum would talk about the seating and claimed powers in their chat, and I doubt the whole team misunderstood those things. So if nin is scum, he is faking this confusion, but I can't really think of a reason why.

Possibly to make himself appear Town, as he seems to be acting somewhat similar to gryvan on D2 as compared to D1?
It's like looking at two different people

 

[nin1000]

This needs to stop
Vote: Hyperactivity
WHY DO INACTIVES GET AWAY WITH THIS

i for one will have to agree with those that get away with inactivity

 

[Xamtheking]

i for one will have to agree with those that get away with inactivity

Yeah, ESPECIALLY in Batman.
Karu, who was scum, got away with not doing anything the entire game

 

[Bronx-Man]

snrk

Anyway, thanks for finally speaking up. I don't know if it's really getting us anywhere, but at least you're here.

Now, where are Bronx, Scrafty, and Hyper?

Busy with finals. Won't be able to make any real non-fluff posts until later this afternoon.

 

[Ourobolus]

Busy with finals. Won't be able to make any real non-fluff posts until later this afternoon.

Don't cheat off of Launchpad's test. Trust me on this one.