If I were on a scum team do you honestly think they'd have me claim a neutral
I've played scum a few times and we ALWAYS claim vanilla. Hence why I don't trust anyone who claimed on the last page.
Glad we've come so far since yesterday. Like I said yesterday, why don't we lynch the one that just about everybody seems to agree on at least?He had the worst reactions to my argument as well. If I wasn't convinced they are all linked he'd probably be my first choice.
As it is, I don't care what order we lynch them in. I'm convinced they are a team.
"This town doesn't deserve to win"This town has not actually hunted a single scum.
Also this complaint made more sense when I was assumed to be a cop. As a JOAT with only one more useful power it makes way more sense to claim.Reread Splinter's claim. I had forgotten how word it was. One, he claimed early while Faddy himself was saying he didn't feel pressure. Then he advises faddy that he may be night killed now in case he wants to claim.
It was weird.
I bought it though because this was d4. 16 players left. Dragonz still alive. 12 non-mafia. It's not crazy odds but he would still be rolling the dice and hoping Faddy wasn't neutral. Then scum did indeed nk faddy the next day before kyanrute won. N4 was double kill and we ml'd acohrs that day and swamped d5.
Which means faddy has a 1 in 8 chance of being neutral if there is one when scum nk's him. Again, splinter would be lynched immediately in that case. Seems risky.
But it's far from the least plausible theory currently knocking around.
Oh and Worthy still waiting on your name claim.
Just curious.
^and I can add to that post that no players I trust criticized the logic in my argument at any point, and that Kawl's response was entirely in line with how I would expect a townie in his position to respond. If CCS' support had been the first response I'd've jumped off that argument immediately, but coming when it did (much later) I'm fine with it.Your reaction to my argument tells me more than the votes alone ever could.
For the chucklefucks who will only skimread what just happened, here is a recap:
I make an argument based on the day 5 votes that the remaining scum are Worthy, Fran, and FEP.
*Important Note*: if even one of these is town, scum will happily push my argument along since it leads to a scum win.
-Fran argues with me as if I had presented a 100% slam dunk case where every scum would be caught out and no town could have been mistakenly implicated.
-FEP calls me crazy and acts like the logic is hard to follow.
Based on this, I'm willing to bet that one of the following is true:
1. Fran and FEP are both town.
2. The remaining scum are exactly Worthy, Fran, and FEP.
Can you tell which way I'm leaning?
I didn't bother responding to this earlier because there's not a single new or unique thought in here. If you tried to write down a list of generally-held opinions in this thread at the start of this phase, this post is exactly what you'd get. Fran is a player I can usually rely on giving a... different perspective of things. And this post gives me nothing. Fran has done nothing but push Worthy all game. Yesterday we were pretty much unanimously against Worthy, to the extent that he only survived because we got cold feet, and yet fran still felt the need to open today with a long case against him, while making no attempt to look at anyone else.I'm townreading Gorlak. He is my stronger town read (except Burb obviously). He seems to be invested in the game, trying to look for scum. I may be wrong, nobody has the real answer except scum but he isn't a player that I would target today.
The scum list is mostly process of elimination. We know that Burb is town, I know that I'm town, I think Gorlak and you are town. The rest I don't know. I'm pretty much convinced that TWE is scum. I really think that CCS is scum (he coasted a lot during the first days and then became a low presence in the game, going under the radar. His reads of WAMD seems like a bus, saying that she is scum but never really going fully after her). I think the other scum is either Kawl or FEP (where it said and should said or). Leaning to Kawl (the first days of Kawl he game Kawl seemed more interested in discuss Mafia theory than really look for scum, After that he remained in a medium presence, never fully commiting to the game. I can't remember a post where Kawl really tried to find scum, all seems like weak). FEP as a really low activity and a low participation too. Most of his game is tunneling on Acohrs. He avoided my attempt to gain more reads out of him day 5. I'm still not sure which of them could be.
Oh that sounds familiar, maybe you did, nvmOh. Thought I already did this a while back?
Kyanrute.
I mean, is your winning strategy not "the only people who voted scum are scum"? Has the town actually hunted a scum yet? We don't know 100% that a scum has even been a vote contender yet. So yeah, this town is garbage and we all should feel bad. I don't want to give up but if you want to close the game mislynching me is rather get it done sooner rather than later. But really, we should just knock TWE out, put both of our allegedly remaining protection roles on burbeting and sort through whatever fallout tomorrow brings, which is likely a dead burb because i don't think we do have two protection roles left and i believe it's possible there is a role blocker."This town doesn't deserve to win"
"Give up"
Also this complaint made more sense when I was assumed to be a cop. As a JOAT with only one more useful power it makes way more sense to claim.
1. Clear Faddy
2. Imply I'm a cop
3. Self protect
4. Gloat
Btw did Faddy say he didn't feel pressure? I don't remember that, but it would have been a pretty wrong assessment of the thread if he did.
I don't think there's any point obfuscating this any longer
Never Forever, JOAT (Cop/Name Cop/Doc)
N1 - Cop check Verelios (blocked)
N2 - Cop check Faddy (Town)
N3 - Protect Bronx
N4 - Name check swamped (blocked)
N5 - Name check Worthy (blocked)
So yeah, nothing worth sharing beyond "Faddy is town". Thought I'd try and fish for a night kill at least since I can't see name cop being useful.
Cop reveal to protect someone who is not in immediate danger and doesn't feel pressured.Faddy you should be aware there's a good chance you'll die tonight. Not telling you whether or not you should claim but making sure you recognise the situation.
I'm unavailable for the next 4 hours at least, will try to get on before deadline but might not be able to.
But you claimed you might not make deadline so i accepted it.I haven't felt under pressure at all despite all my bad play. I genuinely thought I would be screwed after the Crab lynch and said as much to franconp. Then after my late day change on acohrs I thought again I would be faced with a few early votes.
2. Just one last point against Fran:
I didn't bother responding to this earlier because there's not a single new or unique thought in here. If you tried to write down a list of generally-held opinions in this thread at the start of this phase, this post is exactly what you'd get. Fran is a player I can usually rely on giving a... different perspective of things. And this post gives me nothing. Fran has done nothing but push Worthy all game. Yesterday we were pretty much unanimously against Worthy, to the extent that he only survived because we got cold feet, and yet fran still felt the need to open today with a long case against him, while making no attempt to look at anyone else.
By gum you're right! It sounds completely ridiculous when you put it that way!I mean, is your winning strategy not "the only people who voted scum are scum"?
Yeah that's the spirit /sHas the town actually hunted a scum yet? We don't know 100% that a scum has even been a vote contender yet. So yeah, this town is garbage and we all should feel bad.
Well, we are lynching TWE today. I don't think there's much chance of it being anyone else, despite, which is why it's so funny that you and Fran continue to push it so much. Everyone else is (or was) discussing other stuff because we don't need to spend an entire day on an obvious lynch.I don't want to give up but if you want to close the game mislynching me is rather get it done sooner rather than later. But really, we should just knock TWE out, put both of our allegedly remaining protection roles on burbeting and sort through whatever fallout tomorrow brings, which is likely a dead burb because i don't think we do have two protection roles left and i believe it's possible there is a role blocker.
This is where the post goes from bad to outright scummy.But you didn't self protect... you didn't even protect the person you cleared. None of this makes any sense at all.
And here's your post to faddy after.
Holy intentionally misleading batman!Cop reveal to protect someone who is not in immediate danger and doesn't feel pressured.
But you claimed you might not make deadline so i accepted it.
Bolding is mine.Don't use my poor play to excuse your own.
My point is that you only start to make a push once it becomes clear that a townie has a large vote lead. Your defence of Crab can be seen in a couple of ways. That you town read him and didn't want him lynched OR you knew he was town and wanted to earn yourself Townie Points by being his biggest defender when it looked highly likely he was going to be lynched.
Town/Town trains.
Day 1 - Crab vs Swamped were the two trains you tried to engineer
Day 2 - Crab made it clear he wanted to go after me or Vere. If either gained traction it would be a town/town train making your plea for the vote to close up a safe play for scum.
Yes. Yes Fran wants to put a vote on Worthy. You know this. I know this. Everyone else in the game knows this. There is an undiscovered tribe deep in the Amazon rainforest, and even they know this.Fran, want to put a vote on worthy?
If we're wrong and he's town, scum will turbo and end the game. If that doesn't happen, it will mean at least one of us three is scum and make the day more interesting. Will likely end up with either me or worthy lynch, which puts town at 50/50, which is slightly better than what we have now.
Why Fran anyway? Did you forget you are scumreading him? Shouldn't we make sure that Burb and Gorlak, the players you actually "trust", have said their piece?Fran let's do it.
I'll let you in on a little secret Fran:What other perspective do you want me to give? I have been going on with lynching TWE since day 2. We are at day 7. I'm really tired of this. Just look at the post I made when the day started. There is everything there: OMGUS, Quick change of reads, weird votes, relation with proven scum, posting all around the place, coasting, weak excuses, etc. It's like an scum rulebook there. But people keep giving him passes. Don't know why.
I looked at everyone but I only pressured to get him lynched. Why? Because we don't have the luxury to make a mistake. We are in a shitty situation where everyday could be the last. We don't need to look for scum teams at this point. It's pointless. We need to catch one scum. Just one. Then we see how the night goes and we do this all over again. That's what we get for not finding any scum until now.
I'll let you in on a little secret Fran:
...
...
Everyone in this game is scumreading Worthy
Shocking I know. I only became aware of this when each player stated it, multiple times over, some of them over several day phases.
You can stop beating this drum. The war is over, Worthy is scum.
Your second paragraph is just wrong, basically. It's mylo. We need to look at everything, we need to discuss everything, scum teams should be at least considered.
One mistake ends the game, we can't afford to leave anything out.
Also Fran, it isn't a matter of turboing twe. If he gets turbo'd it means you, me, and him are all town and we were going to lose anyway.
Scum can't turbo if we get one scum involved in any two vote situation. They need two town on town to turbo. Once we get two votes the game will either end quickly or it will drag out the rest of the day while the rest decide who is the most likely scum and lynch normally at eod.
It's true though that Splinters doc shot couldn't have been used on Bronx-Man...
Why the fuck would I use a name check instead of a protect?You couldn't have used your doc shot on the ascetic. So you could have given true reads and still had the doc shot. But now we know you're lying about all your actions. So thanks.
What am I reading here?The only way lynching TWE matters is if he's town. Which then, to me, makes Fran definitely scum. Give it a few hours and we definitely have one.
If splinter and twe are the scum, we really have no choice but to lynch twe. With two on twe now, it really doesn't make sense for scum to not turbo asap.
If twe is still around end of day, he should be lynched. There's a bit of wifom for if scum wait until eod for turbo but really they shouldn't. Much more likely to catch us off-guard. I'm sure fran also has an unvote primed and eod is when we'll be around.
This also means that all other town need to hold their votes until eod once someone hits two votes.
This also means that all other town need to hold their votes until eod once someone hits two votes.
This also means that all other town need to hold their votes until eod once someone hits two votes.
This also means that all other town need to hold their votes until eod once someone hits two votes.
This also means that all other town need to hold their votes until eod once someone hits two votes.
?!This also means that all other town need to hold their votes until eod once someone hits two votes.
Splinter annoyed by people not thinkingLol, look who's getting shook. Not exactly pulling head out of ass but it's a start.
We can lynch him without you. Can't turbo without another early vote.I'm going out in a bit and might be unavailable for the rest of the day.
Am I ok to put a vote down on TWE or is someone going to pretend that wasn't already inevitable?
*eyeroll*Unless me, Fran, and worthy are all town that is
I'm going out in a bit and might be unavailable for the rest of the day.
Am I ok to put a vote down on TWE or is someone going to pretend that wasn't already inevitable?
Scum
Kawl
Gorlak
Not sure
Fran
Dragonz
Worthy
Town
Burbeting
Stan
Splinter
I feel pretty good about this. My only real doubt here is the last scum. My money is on worthy but maybe fran. Feel best about dragonz.
Yep, this definitely fits with my WAMD/TWE/Stan/FEP team.
I seem to recall FEP scumreading Fran yesterday. Now switched to townreading. Curious indeed.
Burb/Splinter/Kawl, do you buy my TWE/FEP/FRAN scum team?