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[Romulus]

Like any other franchise, including Star Wars and Marvel, none of it matters if the writers aren't up to par. TV shows are literally starting become a coinflip of quality again due to the current selection of writing talent. I mean in all aspects too which includes the much ignored action writing which is severely lacking today.

Sometimes scenes can look cool at first glance, but that same scene is actually really dumb when you simply think about it for a minute.

Too many creatives are going for the cool over the common(sense). It needs to stop.

I can handle a badly directed yet well written and well acted tv show, but it's really tough for me to enjoy a really well directed show with terrible writing. When common sense is taken out of the show it takes me out of the experience.

Apparently you haven't seen the Obi-Wan Kenobi show. Masterclass writing.

 

[Ionian]

They took a break and returned with episodes literally too dark where you couldn't see what was happening.

They rushed it and got told to fuck off by Disney for future work. What disrespect to the fans, the actors and the author.

ULTRA-COMBO

 

[StealthGoblin]

Jon turned out to be thoroughly uninteresting. I don’t need anything more about his character.

 

[Ionian]

Jon turned out to be thoroughly uninteresting. I don’t need anything more about his character.

The books flesh him out more but still ends up shoddy at best by the last one. He is extremely whiney and few like him, especially for letting the free-folk in. Ice King scene is TV only, lot's of differences. He hasn't met him yet in the books.

EDIT: All dragons are alive.

 

[Halo is Back]

The ending to his story line sucked ass in the last season so no thanks

 

[Ionian]

The ending to his story line sucked ass in the last season so no thanks

Got the impresssion GGRM wouldn't tell them but i'd say most likely he didn't even known himself. Hence the MASSIVE gap between books.

That and he spends his time wanking over his massive pile of cash.

He treats it like it's a masterpiece for the ages. It's not, after book 3 it stagnated and stalled.

Remember when he blamed "A Dance of Dragons" on a "Myreese knot", complete bullshit. There was no knot, he got fat and lazy. The knot was Dany marries to bring peace, vigilantes by the slave masters murder. Drogon flies in, toasts the aerna and she flys off.

A kid could write that but that was his excuse for the massive delay after promising the book would be a year after the last. He's full of himself, hasn't written a good book since 'A Storm of Swords'.

 

[Batiman]

I’m down. I miss me some GOT. Nothing in the genre even comes close still.

 

[Ionian]

He could be canny and realize the last two books back to back.

He won't though. Too busy sniffing his own farts.

Who is even left to care about, young Griff? That's a false end.

Penny saves the day, marries Tyrion. Happy ending.

(dragons all live and dany feeds them sheep the dohrakhi collect.)

 

[Aggrotek]

I won't ever forgive the showrunners for what they did to Jaime Lannister.

 

[BaneIsPain]

I don't trust modern screenwriters and I don't want GRRM to be involved in this.
Finish Winds of Winter ffs

 

[Zeroing]

Wonder if it'll be him in therapy realizing he fucked his aunt

It is set on Middle Ages fantasy, even without the fantasy part... back than it was normal.

 

[Zeroing]

What happened to all these new shows? Been zero news, not that anyone cares anyway.

GoT is dead as a franchise, people will watch out of curiosity and quickly tune out. Mark my words.

All I know is that most of it was filmed in Portugal and tourists were pissed because they wanted to see the ancient castle and the old city, 0 enthusiasm to try to take photos of the actors. Yes you know when a franchise is dead when people rather see some old castle than to try to see the actors... to be fair, it is a beautiful castle.

 

[NeoGiffer]

 

[DKehoe]

Remember when he blamed "A Dance of Dragons" on a "Myreese knot", complete bullshit. There was no knot, he got fat and lazy. The knot was Dany marries to bring peace, vigilantes by the slave masters murder. Drogon flies in, toasts the aerna and she flys off.

The knot wasn't just about the marriage. It was an issue of matching up the various timelines of the various people who were heading to and already in Mereen. He solved it by introducing a new POV, which was Barristan.

 

[Ionian]

The knot wasn't just about the marriage. It was an issue of matching up the various timelines of the various people who were heading to and already in Mereen. He solved it by introducing a new POV, which was Barristan.

Interesting, didn't know that!

 

[DKehoe]

Interesting, didn't know that!

I did a quick google to check that I was right in remembering that and this reddit thread seems to do a pretty good job of breaking down the issue and the timeline for it.

 

[Ionian]

I did a quick google to check that I was right in remembering that and this reddit thread seems to do a pretty good job of breaking down the issue and the timeline for it.

Legend, on it! cheers

 

[Lunarorbit]

I enjoy reading about the GOT projects but I have no interest in actually watching any of them. This dragon war one.... Even if it's good I'm not going to support George Martin ever again.

I like mopey John snow but this seems like a stretch.

 

[Ulysses 31]

Even if it's good I'm not going to support George Martin ever again.

What did he do to you?

 

[winjer]

The reason is very simple and has been explained many times in articles and videos, by many fans: A huge drop in quality of the final seasons.

 

[Ulysses 31]

The reason is very simple and has been explained many times in articles and videos, by many fans: A huge drop in quality of the final seasons.

Oh I know that. That tweet was my attempt to show JRRM being out of touch.

But some people took it as fans being impatient Debby Downers.

 

[Ionian]

I did a quick google to check that I was right in remembering that and this reddit thread seems to do a pretty good job of breaking down the issue and the timeline for it..

Brilliant read, makes sense now. I cannot remember 'Marwyn the Mage' but seems he was excluded? I generally remember most of the books.

Slightly has me tempted to read again but only very slightly. Still think it was a poor installment. Arienne in the book made sense but the released chapters were boring to me. Read them as released, perhaps time has been kinder.

GRRM, master of too many unneeded characters. Book 4 -5 should have sealed the deal for me. Just my IMHO.

 

[winjer]

Oh I know that. That tweet was my attempt to show JRRM being out of touch.

But some people took it as fans being impatient Debby Downers.

What really troubles me is that is not concerned with finishing his grand saga.
We have been waiting for over a decade for a new book, and still nothing.
I can't bear the though that those last seasons, could become the real ending to this saga.

 

[Ownage]

2037 will be the Harry Potter and Game of Thrones crossover, from the famous authors JKRGRRM.

You're a white walker Harry. Danny didn't Expecto the fleet of ships. A wizard doesn't concern himself with the opinions of muggles.

Don't forget including MCU James Bond STTNG multiverse.

 

[dr_octagon]

Don't forget including MCU James Bond STTNG multiverse.

Sting multiverse, you may be onto something.

Fake edit: Oh, you meant Star Trek.

 

[Ionian]

What really troubles me is that is not concerned with finishing his grand saga.
We have been waiting for over a decade for a new book, and still nothing.
I can't bear the though that those last seasons, could become the real ending to this saga.

Well we always have a "Dream of Spring", to wait for another decade should WoW ever come out.

He doesn't care anymore, i'd say he's livid the show finished first like the petulant authour he is.

He comes across as people OWE HIM. No GRRM, you make promises you can't keep. Even write them into your own books. Zero sympathy for you. Just release a book, one page 'everyone dieds, Bran becomes king', next page "THE END".

He seems to enjoy antagonizing readers more than writing. And his ancient computer to write, yeah that's horseshit too. Nice false legacy you built yourself George. Next he'll claim he types with one finger. What happened to a pen and paper?

 

[Ulysses 31]

Well we always have a "Dream of Spring", to wait for another decade should WoW ever come out.

He doesn't care anymore, i'd say he's livid the show finished first like the petulant authour he is.

He comes across as people OWE HIM. No GRRM, you make promises you can't keep. Even write them into your own books. Zero sympathy for you. Just release a book, one page 'everyone dieds, Bran becomes king', next page "THE END".

He seems to enjoy antagonizing readers than writing. And his ancient computer to write, yeah that's horseshit too. Nice false legacy you built yourself George. Next he'll claim he types with one finger. What happened to a pen and paper?

That and he keeps taking on new projects he wants people to be excited for.

 

[winjer]

Well we always have a "Dream of Spring", to wait for another decade should WoW ever come out.

He doesn't care anymore, i'd say he's livid the show finished first like the petulant authour he is.

He comes across as people OWE HIM. No GRRM, you make promises you can't keep. Even write them into your own books. Zero sympathy for you. Just release a book, one page 'everyone dieds, Bran becomes king', next page "THE END".

He seems to enjoy antagonizing readers than writing. And his ancient computer to write, yeah that's horseshit too. Nice false legacy you built yourself George. Next he'll claim he types with one finger. What happened to a pen and paper?

Yeah, it really seems like he doesn't care much about finishing his grand saga.
And that is a real shame, because it could be one of the very best in the fantasy genre.
If he never finishes it, he'll become the butt of jokes about what could have been and how some shitty TV show seasons, became his final legacy.

 

[Ionian]

That and he keeps taking on new projects he wants people to be excited about.

That and his downtime for the superbowl which he proudly boasts about yearly. He doesn't give a shit.

His own editor made comments on his books which he ignored. I'd say she'd have long given up only for the pay-check.

 

[swaffles23]

Give the people what they truly want, a Hot Pie spinoff

 

[BadBurger]

Once they ran out of stuff GRRM created to script ideas off of the show went to complete ass. I know they’d bring in new creators, but zero hopes for this if it goes forward. HBO execs haven’t changed much since then, and if they were willing to pump out that awful, awful final season I don’t want to see what their bottom is.

 

[Ulysses 31]

Once they ran out of stuff GRRM created to script ideas off of the show went to complete ass. I know they’d bring in new creators, but zero hopes for this if it goes forward. HBO execs haven’t changed much since then, and if they were willing to pump out that awful, awful final season I don’t want to see what their bottom is.

But didn't they also skip an entire book, or huge chucks of it at least? D&D wanted out to move on to something else and it clearly shows in the last season when HBO was willing to give them more episodes.

 

[Elysion]

There were a lot of theories about Bran eventually becoming King so even though people hated that, it's not like it came out of left field.

Prior to season 8? Bran being king was not at all a common theory, even among book nerds; I can think of only one or two obscure fan theories back in the day that came even close to the idea – and I’m someone who’s been browsing (and writing) theories on ASoIaF forums for years. And even those theories didn’t really predict that Bran would be king of Westeros in a political sense. Bran being elected king came absolutely out of left field in the show. It was only after the leaks of the final episode came out that people started to retroactively fit it into the narrative, looking for foreshadowing in the earlier books and seasons.

And if Bran being king is also GRRM’s ending for the books then he has his work cut out for him, because we’re five books in and Bran is currently still stuck in that cave north of the Wall, which means George has only two books left to get him out of that cave and back south of the Wall, and somehow build him up as figure that the great houses of Westeros would be willing to elect as king – despite being a 10 year old crippled child with no claim to the throne, who follows a religion that six of the seven kingdoms of Westeros have rejected thousands of years ago.

Bran’s age is especially problematic, because he (like most other main characters) is much older in the show (especially the later seasons) than the books. George originally planned to do a five year time skip between book 3 and 4, but later abandoned the idea, which means he is now stuck with Bran being a child for the rest of the series. I wouldn’t be surprised if that is one of the reasons why he’s struggling so much with finishing the series; he just can’t find a way to make a crippled child like Bran become king in a believable manner.

 

[Ionian]

But didn't they also skip an entire book, or huge chucks of it at least? D&D wanted out to move on to something else and it clearly shows in the last season when HBO was willing to give them more episodes.

Confused me how D&D wanted out, gottta be something there as they were no doubt coining it big time and HBO wanted more.

I'd say GRRM had nothing left to share(or wouldn't), they had no choice. Was a dream job for all involved when it worked.

The show was a cash-cow. Amazing it's utter failure at an ending. I like many others felt cheated for the time I spent on it.

Still the intro gfx/music lives on. That was worth it, stunning work.

 

[Ionian]

Prior to season 8? Bran being king was not at all a common theory, even among book nerds; I can think of only one or two obscure fan theories back in the day that came even close to the idea – and I’m someone who’s been browsing (and writing) theories on ASoIaF forums for years. And even those theories didn’t really predict that Bran would be king of Westeros in a political sense. Bran being elected king came absolutely out of left field in the show. It was only after the leaks of the final episode came out that people started to retroactively fit it into the narrative, looking for foreshadowing in the earlier books and seasons.

And if Bran being king is also GRRM’s ending for the books then he has his work cut out for him, because we’re five books in and Bran is currently still stuck in that cave north of the Wall, which means George has only two books left to get him out of that cave and back south of the Wall, and somehow build him up as figure that the great houses of Westeros would be willing to elect as king – despite being a 10 year old crippled child with no claim to the throne, who follows a religion that six of the seven kingdoms of Westeros have rejected thousands of years ago.

Bran’s age is especially problematic, because he (like most other main characters) is much older in the show (especially the later seasons) than the books. George originally planned to do a five year time skip between book 3 and 4, but later abandoned the idea, which means he is now stuck with Bran being a child for the rest of the series. I wouldn’t be surprised if that is one of the reasons why he’s struggling so much with finishing the series; he just can’t find a way to make a crippled child like Bran become king in a believable manner.

Very true. Bran becoming king after being a a green-seer made zero sense. He's half brain-dead.

I'd sooner have Sansa or Arya rule. Hell, have Brienne marry Jaime. Both are worthy.

Fuck it, have the Ice-King become it and the last book be the revolt of all kingdoms to bring him down in a massive riot.

EDIT: Onion knight as king, fuck that would be glorious.

 

[EverydayBeast]

Jon Snow is responsible for most of games of thrones’ success.

 

[Ionian]

Jon Snow is responsible for most of games of thrones’ success.

Wrong.

He was a foolish idiot.

Plenty of more important characters.

Unless you consider him banging his own family member a success.

*drop the mic

 

[Elysion]

Jon Snow is responsible for most of games of thrones’ success.

Only in the later seasons. For the first half of the series I would say Tyrion and Daenerys were the biggest drivers for GoT’s success. Tyrion was pretty much universally liked, while Dany made people name their daughters ‘Khaleesi’ lol.

 

[Kenpachii]

All characters where pretty good in game of thrones, i would say john was the weakest.

 

[Ionian]

All characters where pretty good in game of thrones, i would say john was the weakest.

In the books, Penny was the most useless character. Pointless. Dwarf-love, for no reason other than a cliche.

There were so many though like young Griff. Who failed over and over.

In the TV show, yeah Jon Snow was up there for sure. Not worse than the sand-snakes though. They were so bad they became their own meme. Darkstar in the book seemed cool in comparison and he he was shite.

 

[BadBurger]

But didn't they also skip an entire book, or huge chucks of it at least? D&D wanted out to move on to something else and it clearly shows in the last season when HBO was willing to give them more episodes.

Yea, that's what I'm saying. GRRM has two novels still planned (he's never finishing either), and once HBO ran out of his material they just bombed. I don't have any confidence that the same executives / leadership will be able to produce anything better on their own. I mean, even Blood of the Dragon or whatever it's called looks bad on paper and in stills already - and that actually has some GRRM matieral to work with. HBO attempting to create an original Jon Snow story in a brave new future without the Others or the threat of the Lannisters? Ooof, it's going to be so bad. In no universe does such a project bare tasty fruit IMO.

 

[Banjo64]

Let it die man. We saw how utterly dreadful the writing was without full source material being provided by a world class author. This would be shit.

 

[Ionian]

Let it die man. We saw how utterly dreadful the writing was without full source material being provided by a world class author. This would be shit.

World famous sure, world class is really pushing it though.

EDIT: And yup, it'll still be shit without his sometimes dire prose.

 

[Banjo64]

World famous sure, world class is really pushing it though.

EDIT: And yup, it'll still be shit without his sometimes dire prose.

What?

Find me anyone else on this planet who could write with such elegance;

The more she drank, the more she shat, but the more she shat, the thirstier she grew​

 

[Ionian]

What?

Find me anyone else on this planet who could write with such elegance;

The more she drank, the more she shat, but the more she shat, the thirstier she grew​

I wept with emotion for her voyage from Drogon's cave.

STOP DRINKING FOUL WATER YOU DUMB BITCH.

/sound of horses, maybe they might have some clean water?

At least her womb came back alive. I wonder after all the shitting and pissing helped? Who shall be the sire?

Won't be Drogo.

 

[Lord Panda]

What?

Find me anyone else on this planet who could write with such elegance;

The more she drank, the more she shat, but the more she shat, the thirstier she grew​

Such profound and provoking prose. Will we ever see the like again in our lifetimes? I’m serious, where the hell is the next book you overflowing corpulent bastard …

 

[Elysion]

The only way to do this that might not be terrible is if it takes place long after the events of GoT. Like if it’s fifty years later, with Jon as an old man while most of the other characters are dead. Maybe the seven kingdoms have split up again, and a mostly new cast of characters has to navigate the chaotic political landscape of Westeros.

If Jon’s resurrection has made him immortal (at least to aging), they could go even further and have it take place centuries after GoT, with Jon Snow being an immortal vagabond who wanders around Westeros. He could be the big character who dies at the end of the first season, thus making Kit Harrington fulfil the role of season one viewer bait (like Sean Bean in GoT). If there’s a supernatural threat, it definitely shouldn’t be White Walkers again, but something else. Maybe the ‘Deep Ones’ are rising from the depths of the seas? There are legends of lovecraftian aquatic creatures in the lore of ASoIaF after all; something like that could take the place of the White Walkers.

In other words, if this is real it should be a full-fledged sequel show with new characters and a new supernatural threat, not a ‘spin-off’ about Jon and Tormund being best buddies or whatever.

 

[Airbus Jr]

That is dany's dragon? Look much bigger now

 

[gamingforum1]

That is dany's dragon? Look much bigger now

It is a prequel....

 

[Ionian]

Gonna be as bad as the last episode.

Guarantee it.