The fuck would you like video games to be worth? And how many are $80? So far, 1 game in total has hit that price point. Hundreds of devs spending countless hours and games costing hundreds of millions of dollars so fucking nerds can geek out over better hair on a character means prices will always go up. But who cares... Let the multi billion/trillion dollar corporation take a loss to give you these games for a monthly fee so we can TRY flush out the competition so we have a monopoly on the video games industry (thank fuck SO FAR that hasn't happened).You're upset about "devaluing" $80 video games?
Why? With quick resume you really only see that stuff once.STICKY THIS IN THE OP!
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So this is really about trashing GP to protect $80 games from having any competition. Thats seriously pathetic. Not even trying to win in a market competition, but just crying about it because someone wants to offer a good deal. They're not even growing or threatening anything and still this many tears because $80 games have to compete.The fuck would you like video games to be worth? And how many are $80? So far, 1 game in total has hit that price point. Hundreds of devs spending countless hours and games costing hundreds of millions of dollars so fucking nerds can geek out over better hair on a character means prices will always go up. But who cares... Let the multi billion/trillion dollar corporation take a loss to give you these games for a monthly fee so we can TRY flush out the competition so we have a monopoly on the video games industry (thank fuck SO FAR that hasn't happened).
Ah but Balatro plus is on Arcade!It would be a tough thread for some apple lovers.
Xbox held a lead during the 360 era (not counting the kiddie Wii) and that was the best for gaming. It forced Sony to really try innovate and change what they were doing. Now it's all about renting games and no ownership.So this is really about trashing GP to protect $80 games from having any competition. Thats seriously pathetic. Not even trying to win in a market competition, but just crying about it because someone wants to offer a good deal. They're not even growing or threatening anything and still this many tears because $80 games have to compete.
You guys are delusional and just repeat your GP hate like a religion. Has nothing to do with reality. There's not a single GP exclusive game. Not a single time has Xbox been in the lead, let alone a monopoly. This is absurd.
I'm 99% sure I buy a lot more games than you do. I've explained this here for years but that reality never seems to penatrate the religious barrier surrounding GP haters.Xbox held a lead during the 360 era (not counting the kiddie Wii) and that was the best for gaming. It forced Sony to really try innovate and change what they were doing. Now it's all about renting games and no ownership.
As for justifying $80 games, I'm not doing that at all but fuck me drunk, these games are getting more expensive to develop. Who in their right mind would make a $300 million game and want to release it day 1 on gamepass when they can get sales elsewhere (like Microsoft is doing with PC and Playstation releases day 1 now). Just think about it for a moment- I know you will have to spend your hard earned for a game but if you want gaming industry to thrive and survive, it won't do that by NOT buying games and only renting them.
But you do you. You can't justify spending big money on a game- wait for a sale or BUY PHYSICAL. ANY sales help the devs over having a game being played "for free" on a rental service.
Gaf is full of guys that will just blow with the wind on whatever Sony or Microsoft is doing.You're upset about "devaluing" $80 video games?
Modern platforms need to be curated.Imagine working on a game for 4+ years and see players who basically got the game for free bail out after 5 minutes.
Devastating for morale.
I honestly don't know what else to say.I'm 99% sure I buy a lot more games than you do. I've explained this here for years but that reality never seems to penatrate the religious barrier surrounding GP haters.
Companies are not owed a sale. Make something people want to buy, or retire. Its not consumers job to sabotage any competition to a stale, inefficient, overly expensive and poorly run AAA gaming industry to protect it. They have to compete in reality or close up shop. A lot of people here are delusional about the amount of influence they have. Trends with AAA gaming, hardware pricing, younger gamers, physical games, these are all broad international trends that will happen anyway regardless of what the 40 year olds on here want.
And I do wonder why you won't defend $80 games. Ironically no one does. MS got a ton of hate for Outer Worlds 2 pricing until they devalued it. But yet the GP boogeyman is devaluing. But pin someone down and they want devaluing, hate $80 games and they barely buy anything day 1. But they still feel the need to hate GP for devaluing while game prices just go up, but they can't even defend a price they like. None of it is totally rational.
Sounds like your stupidly throwing away money…Mild shock. Every time I've subbed I install 10 games, play 2 of them for 10 minutes, then go back to playing a game I already own.
Snark aside, Arcade started out with great games like Fantasian and a promise of a normal gaming titles. It ended up with basically mobile f2p schlock with mtx taken out for an Arcade fee. I check it only because it's a part of Apple One.Ah but Balatro plus is on Arcade!
By subbing to Game Pass, absolutely. Totally unnecessary service.Sounds like your stupidly throwing away money…
You're also posting here on Neogaf, a gaming forum. You don't represent even a fraction of gamers, much less Gamepass users. Let's not use anecdotal evidence vs. the actual developer who sees the data lolI dunno, I played through all of Indy on game pass and it was awesome. Plenty more games I'm looking forward to playing on there, too.
I just think it's lazy and insincere from MS haters; and nothing else. No one says this about Epic Free Games, day 1 PS+ games like Prince of Persia or Sword of the Sea, Humble Bundle, Steam Sales or CD Keys. No one says a word about Nintendo's many sub exclusive games. Its a lie people just repeat on autopilot without thinking or being honest.
I dont know why you even felt the need to jump in here. The person I responded to was talking about $80 games. Its in the quote. He specifically was talking about the top level of current pricing. Nothing else is "racing to the bottom." Quality of GP games is top tier, not declining. Retail model is what leads to people like Itsuno to leave Capcom because they can't even get a green light to do anything but known IP forever. Capcom's only 2 new IP the whole gen were saved by Gamepass; Exoprimal and Kunitsu Gami. I am waiting for anyone to explain with actual words how Clair Obscur was devalued being on GP, or Hollow Knight 2. These are already treated like a lock for GOTY. Its just a lie.
Monument Valley just was showcased in a Nintendo Direct for the console ports. Its free on Epic in 3 days. No one cares.
Sales numbers doesn't say anything about play time, global achievement stats on Steam can show 50% on the first achievement.I did something similar when I had gamepass. I tried out several games for around an hour, but then gave up on it, if it didn't catch my attention.
That is why I put little value when a studio announces player count, instead of sales numbers.
It's a known fact that people buy multiple games on Steam and never install them, sometimes even forgetting they own them. If on Gamepass they play for just 5 minutes, that's still an advantage
In the end 5 minutes is better than 0 minutes. They got people interested enough to install and click start. Good job!
It's a known fact that people buy multiple games on Steam and never install them, sometimes even forgetting they own them. If on Gamepass they play for just 5 minutes, that's still an advantage
How did it fuck the gaming industry if practically no one uses it??
I just think it's lazy and insincere from MS haters; and nothing else. No one says this about Epic Free Games, day 1 PS+ games like Prince of Persia or Sword of the Sea, Humble Bundle, Steam Sales or CD Keys. No one says a word about Nintendo's many sub exclusive games. Its a lie people just repeat on autopilot without thinking or being honest.
I dont know why you even felt the need to jump in here. The person I responded to was talking about $80 games. Its in the quote. He specifically was talking about the top level of current pricing. Nothing else is "racing to the bottom." Quality of GP games is top tier, not declining. Retail model is what leads to people like Itsuno to leave Capcom because they can't even get a green light to do anything but known IP forever. Capcom's only 2 new IP the whole gen were saved by Gamepass; Exoprimal and Kunitsu Gami. I am waiting for anyone to explain with actual words how Clair Obscur was devalued being on GP, or Hollow Knight 2. These are already treated like a lock for GOTY. Its just a lie.
Monument Valley just was showcased in a Nintendo Direct for the console ports. Its free on Epic in 3 days. No one cares.
Even better. They are part of the coveted engagement metric.When they drop out, does that mean they go buy the game?... The increase in game sales like Phil Spencer and his media said![]()
It would be actually weird in Indy's case as the prologue recreates an iconic scene from the movie and it's also quite compact, not wasting anyone's time. Many people may not like the slower, puzzle-filled and immersive sim lite gameplay of the main part of the game, but I don't think they've fucked up with the beginning to get people hooked.If a gamer is jumping in for 5 minutes and bailing ship, it means the game is shit. Doesn't matter if it's a demo, beta, sub plan game or someone bought it for full price.
It doesn't matter if it's a game, movie or tv show. Nobody wants dead time, especially at the beginning. That's because it's a waste of the customer's time. Get the ball rolling.
That's one thing I always liked about old Arnie movies. That first 5 min, you could always count on a cool intro and a starter action scene. You dont get half an hour of boredom before the movie gets going. It gets going right away. And shooter games dont waste time either. After maybe a starting intro screen and goofing around with a tutorial level or firing range, you jump right in and it's shooter gameplay right away.
Bailing out in the first 5 minutes has more to do with ADHD and TikTok mentality than the game. I mean, what you can gather from the game in the first 5 minutes? In the first 1-2 hours out of 50-60 hours?If a gamer is jumping in for 5 minutes and bailing ship, it means the game is shit. Doesn't matter if it's a demo, beta, sub plan game or someone bought it for full price.
It doesn't matter if it's a game, movie or tv show. Nobody wants dead time, especially at the beginning. That's because it's a waste of the customer's time. Get the ball rolling.
That's one thing I always liked about old Arnie movies. That first 5 min, you could always count on a cool intro and a starter action scene. You dont get half an hour of boredom before the movie gets going. It gets going right away. And shooter games dont waste time either. After maybe a starting intro screen and goofing around with a tutorial level or firing range, you jump right in and it's shooter gameplay right away.